Iron Cross Betting 2-3 Times On Field
June 19th, 2016 at 12:56:48 PM
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I was unable to locate an old discussion post about the IC Strategy where one bets at least 2 or 3 times more on the field. Poster said this was key.
I tried the search function several times but was unable to pull up the post. Can anyone help? Tks in advance.
I tried the search function several times but was unable to pull up the post. Can anyone help? Tks in advance.
June 19th, 2016 at 1:06:55 PM
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Key for what? Losing money quicker?
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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June 19th, 2016 at 4:41:11 PM
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I don't know the post but I believe the key is whether the field pays 2x or 3x on the 12. For 2x, the HE is 5.56% and for 3x, the house edge is 2.78%, which is better than placing the 5/9.
If you like the IC strategy, play it in a casino that offers 3x on the 12, and only play it when the point is 5 and you would have reduce the HE to the lowest possible.
If you like the IC strategy, play it in a casino that offers 3x on the 12, and only play it when the point is 5 and you would have reduce the HE to the lowest possible.
June 25th, 2016 at 2:43:03 AM
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Sorry, I originally read this concept on another forum. Thank you. Here's the post.
"That is about how a lot of pro gamblers will hit and run on the Craps tables. A 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ratio 5,6,8 to field is the key. "
"That is about how a lot of pro gamblers will hit and run on the Craps tables. A 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ratio 5,6,8 to field is the key. "
June 25th, 2016 at 2:46:05 AM
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Pro gamblers? Shirley you jest!
Oh you must mean the bi - assed dice crowd on Craps Forum?
Oh you must mean the bi - assed dice crowd on Craps Forum?
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
June 25th, 2016 at 6:15:09 AM
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Iron cross is lame. Palladium cross is the new hotness.
June 25th, 2016 at 6:47:34 AM
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Quote: sabreIron cross is lame. Palladium cross is the new hotness.
Is that the iron cross plus hop the 7s? It is a full proof way if never losing
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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June 29th, 2016 at 6:58:15 AM
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whodat
I have had a hard time with the IC because I feel that when I hit a 5 or 6 or 8
and lose the field bet, I am taking away from the win on those bets.
I understand each bet is a separate contract or bet with the casino and the
win loss percentage is independent for each bet.
But I cant wrap me head around the idea.
We had a casino host here that played $600 on 6 & 8 and $200 on the field.
When he hit the field, he would use part of that to always press the 6 & 8.
He says he wins some large amounts and I have also seen him lose over
$30,000 at times
He does not play craps anymore lately, and I thought about it, he has been a
host for high betting craps players for 25 years and he has lost everyone
of the big guys, none of them play craps anymore, and he pushed the
IC on all of them.
I guess when the you get 3x on the twelve it is a better bet than the 5 & 9
and if there are lots of field numbers being hit, it is as good a bet as any.
It has just never been part of my game.
dicesetter
I have had a hard time with the IC because I feel that when I hit a 5 or 6 or 8
and lose the field bet, I am taking away from the win on those bets.
I understand each bet is a separate contract or bet with the casino and the
win loss percentage is independent for each bet.
But I cant wrap me head around the idea.
We had a casino host here that played $600 on 6 & 8 and $200 on the field.
When he hit the field, he would use part of that to always press the 6 & 8.
He says he wins some large amounts and I have also seen him lose over
$30,000 at times
He does not play craps anymore lately, and I thought about it, he has been a
host for high betting craps players for 25 years and he has lost everyone
of the big guys, none of them play craps anymore, and he pushed the
IC on all of them.
I guess when the you get 3x on the twelve it is a better bet than the 5 & 9
and if there are lots of field numbers being hit, it is as good a bet as any.
It has just never been part of my game.
dicesetter
June 29th, 2016 at 9:01:14 AM
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Tks for everyone's comments. A comment and then a question. On the post above it was preceded by the following concept of betting the field.
$300 total on the 5-6-8 and $150 on the field. Hence, a 2:1 ratio of money on the 5-6-8 over the field. One hit and down. Now, under what conditions and circumstances that bet would be made I suppose is dependent on charting/watching the table.
Someone suggested a higher payout alternative to betting the field. Bet (for example) $64 across (4-5-6-8-9-10) plus a $4 horn for a total of $68 at risk. I believe the HE on the iron cross is 1.11%? So, I'm wondering what the HE is on this $68 bet? The payout is higher but what about the HE?
$300 total on the 5-6-8 and $150 on the field. Hence, a 2:1 ratio of money on the 5-6-8 over the field. One hit and down. Now, under what conditions and circumstances that bet would be made I suppose is dependent on charting/watching the table.
Someone suggested a higher payout alternative to betting the field. Bet (for example) $64 across (4-5-6-8-9-10) plus a $4 horn for a total of $68 at risk. I believe the HE on the iron cross is 1.11%? So, I'm wondering what the HE is on this $68 bet? The payout is higher but what about the HE?
June 29th, 2016 at 9:04:00 AM
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GWAE: Can you provide more details about the PCross and hopping the 7s strategy? And what about any 7 instead? Thank you.
June 29th, 2016 at 9:50:48 AM
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Dicesitter,
That's why I only use it when the point is a 5 AND the field pays 3x on the 12. Even then, I will up my 6/8 to twice as much as the field--$5 9, $5 PL with $10 odds on #5, $12 6/8.
I don't use it much except in LV and MS. LA has terrible field.
That's why I only use it when the point is a 5 AND the field pays 3x on the 12. Even then, I will up my 6/8 to twice as much as the field--$5 9, $5 PL with $10 odds on #5, $12 6/8.
I don't use it much except in LV and MS. LA has terrible field.
June 29th, 2016 at 10:04:32 AM
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When I play 'for fun' craps here on wizard of odds site I can make thousands everytime.... when I play 'for fun' on Vegas casino site I break even more or less all the time using the same betting strategies. Why is that?
June 29th, 2016 at 10:18:22 AM
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Whodat that's a useful and helpful insight: betting the IC ONLY when the 5 is the point, in addition to the 3x payout on the 2 or 12. I'm told that is when the HE is the lowest possible. Do you perchance live in TX?
June 29th, 2016 at 10:25:57 AM
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Quote: eclecticWhodat that's a useful and helpful insight: betting the IC ONLY when the 5 is the point, in addition to the 3x payout on the 2 or 12. I'm told that is when the HE is the lowest possible. Do you perchance live in TX?
Yes. I play about 6-8 times a year. I have been all over the place and Mississippi probably has the best craps conditions--you can buy the 5/9 (2% HA) and they automatically buy it for you. The dealers are very nice.
July 1st, 2016 at 7:40:57 AM
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conditions
I feel the playing conditions in Biloxi are excellent, Sue and I will head down
there couple of weeks next February again.
dicesetter
I feel the playing conditions in Biloxi are excellent, Sue and I will head down
there couple of weeks next February again.
dicesetter
July 1st, 2016 at 8:56:24 AM
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Quote: eclecticI believe the HE on the iron cross is 1.11%?
did you misplace a decimal? 11.1% I can believe
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July 1st, 2016 at 9:18:40 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitdid you misplace a decimal? 11.1% I can believe
no way is it that high.
$5 min, 3/4/5x odds table:
point = 5: $5 pass line, $20 odds --> .4% HE
place 6 and 8 for $12 each -> 1.5% HE
$5 on field (double 2, triple 12) -> 2.78% HE
haven't done the math, but 1.11% sounds reasonable.
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July 1st, 2016 at 11:31:18 AM
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Dem decimal points often get misplaced, but there is quite a difference between 11.1% and 1.11%.Quote: 100xOddsno way is it that high.
$5 min, 3/4/5x odds table:
point = 5: $5 pass line, $20 odds --> .4% HE
place 6 and 8 for $12 each -> 1.5% HE
$5 on field (double 2, triple 12) -> 2.78% HE
haven't done the math, but 1.11% sounds reasonable.
No doubt someone can explain the descrepancy.
If it takes 10 or 20 pages, I might understand it ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
July 1st, 2016 at 11:32:07 AM
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Dem decimal points often get misplaced, but there is quite a difference between 11.1% and 1.11%.Quote: 100xOddsno way is it that high.
$5 min, 3/4/5x odds table:
point = 5: $5 pass line, $20 odds --> .4% HE
place 6 and 8 for $12 each -> 1.5% HE
$5 on field (double 2, triple 12) -> 2.78% HE
haven't done the math, but 1.11% sounds reasonable.
No doubt someone can explain the descrepancy.
If it takes 10 or 20 pages, I might understand it ;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
July 2nd, 2016 at 6:46:05 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsno way is it that high.
$5 min, 3/4/5x odds table:
point = 5: $5 pass line, $20 odds --> .4% HE
place 6 and 8 for $12 each -> 1.5% HE
$5 on field (double 2, triple 12) -> 2.78% HE
haven't done the math, but 1.11% sounds reasonable.
turns out it is close on a per roll basis.
Quote: wizard linkThis [raises] the question, why is this lower than the individual house edge of each bet made? It’s not. The reason it seems that way is the result of comparing apples to oranges
Other than the 6,8 the IC is composed of bets that are much higher in the way we normally rate them in HE. Per roll looks different, on the other hand IC bets are always per roll. I think that gets back to the thing about combined bets and HE, it gets goofy. The best thing is to switch to looking at the EV, which is 25cents per roll if you can a very low minimum table. That can mean more than $25 an hour easily. Not for me what with the other options, plus the thing about hedging means not for me.
https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/betting-systems/
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