basic craps newbe question

Say you make a come bet with odds.
Say a 9 gets rolled you get moved to 9 you take odds.
The Point was 10 and gets hit.
NOW on the come out roll your odds on 9 are off but your 9 part of the bet is still working ?
IF this is right and the 7 is rolled they remove your chip(s) on the 9 but you still have your
odds part alive with full odds ?
Last But not least can you ever take the straight part of the 9 bet (not the odds part down) ?

One Other question I believe its is ALWAYS better to buy 4 and 10 as opposed to place 4 and 10 and the opposite
is true for 6 and 8. Place 6 and 8 rather then buy 6 and 8 ?

NOW on the come out roll your odds on 9 are off but your 9 part of the bet is still working ?

Yes. If a 7 is rolled after the point has already been made (button is OFF), you will lose the contract portion of your bet on the 9, but the odds portion of the 9 will be returned. The odds on a come bet are off on the come out roll UNLESS you asked them to be working.

Last But not least can you ever take the straight part of the 9 bet (not the odds part down) ?

No. It is considered a "contract bet" and cannot be taken down. Only the come bet and the pass line bet are contract bets.

One Other question I believe its is ALWAYS better to buy 4 and 10 as opposed to place 4 and 10 and the opposite
is true for 6 and 8. Place 6 and 8 rather then buy 6 and 8 ?

The math supports buying the 4/10 whether or not the vigs is taken up front or not. Similarly the math supports placing the 6/8

If you ever found d a place that let you buy the 6 and 8 with comission on wins o believe that would be better as long as you bet in multiples of 48. I could be wrong on thay as I didn't do the math. However I have never seen a place that did that.

Same with 5 and 9, if you can buy it with no up front vig then it is better as long as you bet 25. My local does that on 5 and 9.

Always better to buy with vig on win. That said, 99% of Vegas dealers have, "the deer in the headlights look", when you ask to buy the 5/9. Play in Mississippi!

Quote: DeMango

Always better to buy with vig on win. That said, 99% of Vegas dealers have, "the deer in the headlights look", when you ask to buy the 5/9. Play in Mississippi!

Actually they won't let me do that in LV

The Come bet is similar to the Pass Line bet. You make the bet, the dice are rolled, the point for that bet is established (lose on 2, 3 or 12; win on 7 or 11), and the bet wins if the point is rolled before a seven, otherwise it loses. You can place Odds for the bet, which can be taken down or turned off at any time. Essentially, the only difference between the Come and Pass Line (other than when the bet can be made) is that the Odds on established Come bets are off by default on the Come Out roll.

There are threads in this forum about whether or not to leave Odds working on Come Out, as well as Placing and Buying numbers. I remember posting an experience about LV dealers at different casinos being confused about proper vig protocol on Buying the 5 & 9.

Be sure to review the Wizard of Odds Craps strategies. It is very informative about the various bets and house edge.

Well the 6/8 would have to be bet in increments of $5 for a proper buy bet. On a $48 buy they would pay $54 + $3 even money - $2 vig for $55. Place would pay $56. The payout for a $45 buy or place would be each $52 assuming the casino would allow a $45 place bet.

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The Come bet is similar to the Pass Line bet....

"similar"? ...um...no...other than when they can be made, pass and come are exactly the same in EVERY respect

Quote: BlueEagle

...Essentially, the only difference between the Come and Pass Line (other than when the bet can be made) is that the Odds on established Come bets are off by default on the Come Out roll...

except for when they can be made, your statement describes NO DIFFERENCE between the come and pass bets...the odds bet is a separate bet, which can be made or not made...whether it is made or not has ZERO effect on the qualities of the p or c bet...indeed the exception PROVES the rule...it is precisely why p & c bets must be made at differing times: THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME BET...just like you cannot place the 8 for $6 and at the same time place the 8 for $6...the dealer will stack the chips into a $12 place bet on the 8! (hell, even if you "insisted" they keep them in separate stacks as "two bets", they would refuse since you would be impinging or potentially impinging on someone else's "spot" in the 8 box...lol)

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There are threads in this forum about whether or not to leave Odds working on Come Out, as well as Placing and Buying numbers....

yes, i too find this an interesting discussion...of course in "the long run" it makes no expected difference but in the real world the current "utility of money" or one's objectives are always salient...

tom p