New idea for craps play

Out of a clear blue sky the following idea for a new craps play occurred to me (at least it's new to me):

It's a one roll bet that the number you bet on will NOT roll; sort of the inverse of midnight, yo etc.

I suppose all numbers could be bet on, and the payoffs calculated accordingly.

The thing that would likely make it unpalatable is the need to bet a lot to win a little; I haven't done the math to set likely wager amounts and appropriate payouts, but if for example you pick "six," you'd probably have to risk about $30 or maybe a bit more in order to win $5 if the six does not roll, which of course is most of the time.

The bettor keeps his wager plus the winnings if the number does not roll, and loses it if the number bet on is rolled.

I doubt it would ever play in Peoria, let alone Las Vegas, but hey, maybe there is something new about craps under the sun?

My gut instinct is that you'd have to wager a lot more than $30 to win $5. There's a lot of bets to cover if you're trying to go the route of "I win money so long as ANYTHING except a 6 comes up."

Correct, I haven't really thought it through, but an amount could be determined that the casinos would accept.

They aren't the problem with the play; the question is, would people play it?

Probably not, but you never know, especially if the HA is low.

Quote: Romes

My gut instinct is that you'd have to wager a lot more than $30 to win $5. There's a lot of bets to cover if you're trying to go the route of "I win money so long as ANYTHING except a 6 comes up."

It would just be the opposite of what they are now. 12 would be 1 to 30

Dice Roll	Combinations	Odds to Hit	Odds to Not Hit	Probability
2	1	1/36	35/36	0.9722
3	2	1/18	17/18	0.9444
4	3	1/12	11/12	0.9167
5	4	1/9	8/9	0.8889
6	5	5/36	31/36	0.8611
7	6	1/6	5/6	0.8333
8	5	5/36	31/36	0.8611
9	4	1/9	8/9	0.8889
10	3	1/12	11/12	0.9167
11	2	1/18	17/18	0.9444
12	1	1/36	35/36	0.9722

You should be able to figure it out from there. Personally, what I think would be better is to have an extra two wager system with any number 8 or higher and any number 6 or lower. It could replace the Big-6 and Big-8 table settings. It basically has a 0.3056 probability to hit which would more than likely allow for a 1.5x payout similar to a field bet on every roll.

Yes, come up with something to keep folks interested.

Quote: JoelDeze

Personally, what I think would be better is to have an extra two wager system with any number 8 or higher and any number 6 or lower. It could replace the Big-6 and Big-8 table settings. It basically has a 0.3056 probability to hit which would more than likely allow for a 1.5x payout similar to a field bet on every roll.

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.

A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Wont work. Dice setters would bankrupt tge casino.

Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.

A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?

Axel



What I will tell you is some of the smartest math guys in the
world do not have a clue as to how to win at the craps
table.

Is that really surprising when the so-call smartest people are
running our country and we are 19 trillion debt and over
120 trillion in unfunded liabilities....

I will take some one with lots of experience in the real world over
that smart math guy any day of the week and twice on Sunday
when it comes to many things in life.

dicesetter

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.

A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?

Shocking, but true.

Quote: billryan

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: billryan

Quote: miplet

Already exists as High Dice, Low Dice.

A respected gambling author reminded me about fifteen years ago that after if forty years of some of the brightest mathematicians in the world , working with some of the most sophisticated computers didn't find a system to win using only bet variations, the odds are that I won't either.
It's fun to try, though.
What's strange is they often work great the first time or two.
I remember the time I "invented" the Martindale. Playing SicBo, I turned a $1 bet into almost $400..
Next day, I made $275.
Day three, I lost it all plus my $500 bank.

Are you trying to tell us that some average Joe shmo isn't smarter than some of the brightest mathematicians in the world who use the most sophisticated computers around?

Shocking, but true.

I was talking in regards to betting systems period. It doesn't matter if you are the smartest person in the world or not there's no such thing as a working betting system.

You can't trick a negative EV Game and make it a positive one.