HE vs. EV

I remember seeing a table that displayed variance versus house advantage posted on the Wizard of Odds site (HE vs. EV I believe) for pass and don't pass line bets in craps. I can no longer find this table, would someone be so kind as to show me where it is located.

this, maybe?

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/house-edge/

That looks really close but, what i'm wanting to do is calculate the house edge in craps for the pass or don't pass line with different levels of variance. To give an example, the house edge for 1, 2, 3, and 4 standard deviations from the mean house edge, and the number of points you would expect to see before a 7 out in each standard deviation.

Say what? "calculate the house edge...with different levels of variance"? Are you trying to figure out the expected number of points before a 7-out? How frequently you'll see a 0-point shooter, 1-point, 2-point, etc? (ie: 55% for 0 point, 20% for 1 point, 10% for 2 points....etc [made up numbers])?

Quote: CasinoCrasher

That looks really close but, what i'm wanting to do is calculate the house edge in craps for the pass or don't pass line with different levels of variance. To give an example, the house edge for 1, 2, 3, and 4 standard deviations from the mean house edge, and the number of points you would expect to see before a 7 out in each standard deviation.

Wow, you really are looking for something different.

Well, I can give you a list of standard deviations for various levels of free odds that were posted here once by Goatcabin - I haven't been able to find the post again, but here they are as I have saved them

Odds ......... unitSD
0.............. 0.999900005
1............ 1.893050027
2 ........... 2.857879771
Full 2 ... 2.954695498
3........... 3.840744091
345X ... 4.91563184
4............ 4.830647323
5.......... 5.824001368
6........... 6.819298375
7.......... 7.815796102
8.......... 8.813087262
9 ........... 9.810929899
10......... 10.80917128
20 ......... 20.80087901
40 ...... 40.7964868
50......... 50.7955876
60......... 60.79498419
80.......... 80.79422548
100...... 100.7937679

Quote: odiousgambit

Well, I can give you a list of standard deviations for various levels of free odds that were posted here once by Goatcabin - I haven't been able to find the post again, but here they are as I have saved them

here is an expanded one from here

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/17968-standard-deviation-of-pass-versus-dont-pass/

This table counts the pushes as an event

Odds	Don't Pass unitSD	DP avg bet	Pass unitSD	Pass avg bet	Odds
0	0.985919	1.00	0.999900	1.00	0
1	1.885703	2.00	1.893050	1.67	1
2	2.853018	3.00	2.857880	2.33	2
Full 2X	3.031954	3.17	2.954695	2.47	Full 2X
3	3.837128	4.00	3.840744	3.00	3
345X	4.912807	5.00	4.915632	3.78	345X
4	4.827773	5.00	4.830647	3.67	4
5	5.821617	6.00	5.824001	4.33	5
6	6.817262	7.00	6.819298	5.00	6
7	7.814020	8.00	7.815796	5.67	7
8	8.811512	9.00	8.813087	6.33	8
9	9.809515	10.00	9.810930	7.00	9
10	10.807887	11.00	10.809171	7.67	10
20	20.800212	21.00	20.800879	14.33	20
40	40.796147	41.00	40.796487	27.67	40
50	50.795314	51.00	50.795588	34.33	50
60	60.794756	61.00	60.794984	41.00	60
80	80.794054	81.00	80.794225	54.33	80
100	100.793630	101.00	100.793768	67.67	100

OP looks to be trying to estimate something
that may be easily calculated exactly

who will know?
maybe 7 6s before a 7 sure-fire
betting system for a DI

that can never be calculated exactly
Sally

Pretty much. The Wizard shows some math I agree with for the average number of points before a 7 out as something like 8.53, so betting on the pass line you have your average pass line HE of 1.41 and you see on average 8.53 rolls before a 7 out. I want to extend this in affect to what the house edge is if you see 0, 10, 20, points before a 7 out, and what the the standard deviation is for each (so how often this can be expected to happen).

So in table form the column headings across the top would be...

HE... standard deviation... number of point before a 7 out

Quote: RS

Say what? "calculate the house edge...with different levels of variance"? Are you trying to figure out the expected number of points before a 7-out? How frequently you'll see a 0-point shooter, 1-point, 2-point, etc? (ie: 55% for 0 point, 20% for 1 point, 10% for 2 points....etc [made up numbers])?

Pretty much. The Wizard shows some math I agree with for the average number of points before a 7 out as something like 8.53, so betting on the pass line you have your average pass line HE of 1.41 and you see on average 8.53 rolls before a 7 out. I want to extend this in affect to what the house edge is if you see 0, 10, 20, points before a 7 out, and what the the standard deviation is for each (so how often this can be expected to happen).

So in table form the column headings across the top would be...

HE... standard deviation... number of point before a 7 out

Quote: CasinoCrasher

Quote: RS

Say what? "calculate the house edge...with different levels of variance"? Are you trying to figure out the expected number of points before a 7-out? How frequently you'll see a 0-point shooter, 1-point, 2-point, etc? (ie: 55% for 0 point, 20% for 1 point, 10% for 2 points....etc [made up numbers])?

Pretty much. The Wizard shows some math I agree with for the average number of points before a 7 out as something like 8.53, so betting on the pass line you have your average pass line HE of 1.41 and you see on average 8.53 rolls before a 7 out. I want to extend this in affect to what the house edge is if you see 0, 10, 20, points before a 7 out, and what the the standard deviation is for each (so how often this can be expected to happen).

So in table form the column headings across the top would be...

HE... standard deviation... number of point before a 7 out

Seems interesting. I may work on this a bit, but don't hold your breath.