TwoFeathersATL
Joined: May 22, 2013
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May 25th, 2016 at 11:20:11 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

Yeah, I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of anything to be honest. I was simply asking if the online games are "tilted" even more than the standard negative EV game. I found it interesting that when wagering under \$12 I was winning 80% of the time and when wagering \$30+ I was winning 20% of the time. I just nickel and dimed my gaming sessions to get up substantially.

I also only posted the images because I felt like I was being called out on my honesty.

I still think the online sites are fishy (superstition or not). Right now, I have a very small sample size and I'm going to wait until my first withdrawal completes before I test some more.

I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row. That definitely seems fishy to me. I didn't really care because I was betting the pass line at the time on a come out roll. But, 11 times??? Doesn't seem logical.

Someone questioned you on your honesty? I would be offended, that fact would fall inside the parameters of when the owners/moderators consider what is posted here. Someone questioned your motivation, yeah I saw that happen? That is a different issue. Send more craps winning stories here, the more the merrier.

If you claim to roll 18 yo's in a row, well, you need the video running.....
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
Romes
Joined: Jul 22, 2014
• Posts: 5490
May 25th, 2016 at 11:23:05 AM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

...I saw a 7 come up 11 times in a row...

P(7 eleven times in a row) = P(7)^11 = (6/36)^11 = .000000002756, or about 1 in 400,000,000.

Playing it correctly means you've already won.
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
• Posts: 18652
May 25th, 2016 at 11:50:30 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

P(7 eleven times in a row) = P(7)^11 = (6/36)^11 = .000000002756, or about 1 in 400,000,000.

Bovada probably has that log I suggest he contact bovada support and see if they will send the log perhaps Mike can ask if they resist.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
• Posts: 18652
May 25th, 2016 at 12:03:53 PM permalink
Quote: JoelDeze

First and Only Deposit today:

Withdrawal and Balance from today:

Note the balance in the top corner.

Like I said, I deposited \$150 today and won out to \$506. I was up to \$560 at one point but took a bit more risk in the last session. Now I'm just testing their withdrawals to see if they come through and if they do, I'll keep playing with the \$200 that is essentially theirs. Like I said, I've already doubled my own money with the withdrawal.

For future reference there Should be a complet,
While I don't think you yourself would engage in shenanigans there's others who would. The could simply deposit more money and not include that info and just show the account balance higher.

FYI I have been complaining about abnormal higher and lower bet winning ratios for a long time. I have given up.
No one is ever going to test it properly. Take advantage of the lower bets winning while you can, it won't last long.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
worldhistoryguy
Joined: Apr 5, 2018
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April 23rd, 2019 at 2:03:58 PM permalink
I could not agree more. I joined Desert Nights. When playing the free version, I made bets similar to Vegas. Won a good deal - even more. All looked normal. When I played real money game, things changed. First, the betting limits imposed were ludicrous. Like, \$1 limit of field bets, max lay bets when betting DC where waaaaaaay different than Vegas, max bet permitted on pass/don't pass were \$5. As long as I bet 1-3 dollars, I would win and sloooooowly creep up. But as soon as I started with max \$5 bets, wnet down super fast. Alas, online casios are a joke :(
WatchMeWin
Joined: May 20, 2011
• Posts: 1636
April 23rd, 2019 at 2:23:47 PM permalink
I heard my name called earlier so I thought I'd chime in.

Firstly, I believe Bovada is a sponsor of WoV (or used to be), so be careful what you say! You might find yourself suspended for bashing them.

Secondly, Take your money and run! Ive posted about online craps before, I do not believe anything electronic is completely random... remotely random for that matter. Its a business, and they know how to develop games to ensure profits.

I remember years ago I wont a #\$%load in sports on an online site. I transfered some profit over to the online casino. I tested the craps by playing just 1 dollar on all of the numbers. Amazing! I rolled infinite numbers. I tested for hours at a time. Then I decided to up the ante and go for some meaningful profits. I bet 50 per number. Yep, you guessed it, point 7 over and over. Then I put 100 per number and again couldn't roll a box number. At that point I had given back close to 5k of my sports profits to the stupid online craps and called it quits . One last time I decided to just put 1 dollar on every number..... yep... number after number after number. Corrupt and certainly not random. Never again.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
sabre
Joined: Aug 16, 2010
• Posts: 942
April 23rd, 2019 at 2:39:47 PM permalink
While there have certainly been gaffed online games, to suggest that all online games are gaffed is a bit nutty.
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
• Posts: 18652
April 23rd, 2019 at 2:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

I heard my name called earlier so I thought I'd chime in.

Firstly, I believe Bovada is a sponsor of WoV (or used to be), so be careful what you say! You might find yourself suspended for bashing them.

Secondly, Take your money and run! Ive posted about online craps before, I do not believe anything electronic is completely random... remotely random for that matter. Its a business, and they know how to develop games to ensure profits.

I remember years ago I wont a #\$%load in sports on an online site. I transfered some profit over to the online casino. I tested the craps by playing just 1 dollar on all of the numbers. Amazing! I rolled infinite numbers. I tested for hours at a time. Then I decided to up the ante and go for some meaningful profits. I bet 50 per number. Yep, you guessed it, point 7 over and over. Then I put 100 per number and again couldn't roll a box number. At that point I had given back close to 5k of my sports profits to the stupid online craps and called it quits . One last time I decided to just put 1 dollar on every number..... yep... number after number after number. Corrupt and certainly not random. Never again.

Sabre is correct....Not all online games/casinos are gaffed. Unfortunately, it's hard to tell either way, unless you have a significant amount of data or it seems very obvious. That's why I always suggest you have a significant mathematical advantage over the online casinos before you even get started. My motto when it comes to OLC is Gaff the gaffers.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
worldhistoryguy
Joined: Apr 5, 2018