My Adventure in Craps

I have a few view points and comments and then I also have some questions. Please bear with me as I touch heavily on this topic.

I started playing craps on 3/28. It was the day I took my Mother for her 84th birthday to Atlantic City for 3 days. In fact, it was more or less a Casino-cation as we went to Atlantic City for 3 days, Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun, and then hit Twin River 3 times. I own and operate my own sports probability company so the most I did before starting my adventure into playing Craps was watch a few videos, review the probability tables, drown myself in a few systems, and then visit the tables.

I made $1,200 in Atlantic City, $1,800 in Foxwoods, $900 in Mohegan Sun, $500, $700 and $600 in Twin River (all rough averages minus the nickels and dimes) in my casino-cation stretch. In case you are wondering, it was roughly $5,500 - $5,700 over that stretch. I became hooked, obviously. Any time you make that amount of money over a period of 2 weeks you get hooked. Add to the fact that the craps table is loud, entertaining and filled with many strategies, it just begins to win you over.

Over the course of the last 5 weeks I've won close to $8,000 net now. I've had exactly 3 losing sessions but the main reason I've won is because I've weathered the momentum swings and patiently waited for the hot roller. I've become so hooked that I'm starting to go every night now. I've built a ruby application using atmospheric noise generation for random numbers and have built 10,000,000 sequence tests to understand and gauge momentum. Everyone seems to digress deeply into the math and probability factors that I don't hear many people truly discuss the momentum and hot roller probabilities that often.

My system is a strange offshoot of a 6/8 builder press with concentration on placing the 5 first after a win and pressing until I have a 25/30/30 - 10 field iron cross in play. I keep a pen and pad in hand and turn off my line/field after I've received 4 consecutive field wins or 3 field wins + 1 line win. Instead of waiting x number of rolls I monitor the paper. I want the roller to get to #14. If a roller gets to #14, he or she appears to get to 19 or 20 with relative ease. If the roller gets to roll #20, they get to roll #24 with relative ease. The toughest roll over is #29. 29 or 30 seems to hit the 7 on a long roll quite often. If they hit the 7 and I'm off, I restart the sequence. Once I'm at the 30/30/30/15 cross mark, I start placing and pressing until I have all of the numbers. I then remove the field from play and keep the line going.

I've also paid close attention to the idea and concept behind control shooting. I've watched the elders, the people that set dice, and watched the golden touch craps videos. I even practiced several hours trying to see if I could do something similar. Well, I actually found a great technique that works very well. I'm currently on a 4-day stretch of 7 30-min+ rolls using this odd technique. The main concept behind it is understanding that perhaps there is a patterned order in the universe and maybe just maybe all of those random rolls have a sense of purpose and timing.

My technique:

I roll the dice in front of me gently until the top two numbers and the side-two numbers in view are not a 7. I put them together quickly and backspin them across the table (from any vantage point) gently. I always attempt to avoid chips and try to keep the dice in the middle and along an axis. You would think that this would just be another random roll and perhaps it is. But, it's actually working. I encourage anyone to test it out and try it. I don't think it has anything to do with me at all. I think all I'm doing is upsetting the balance of randomness on the dice. When I used to set the dice and practice gently rolling them on an axis, it gave me about a 2-30 roll sequence. Using my new system, I've been averaging 9-79. Currently 79 rolls is my longest (I keep a paper copy).

I've been hitting Twin River a lot now and I'm going back tomorrow.

A little bit about me before I ask my questions. First, I have a photographic memory and extremely high perception. I'm not sure if this helps make me an advantage player or not, but I sometimes feel like Nostradamus when I'm on the table. My buddy went with me last night and out of the blue I tossed a $50 dollar horn high Twelve and he hit a Twelve winning me $570. He looked at me said, how the hell did you know that? I said, I saw it. I saw it in my head. It makes me wonder whether or not we can become so focused on a momentum based event that perhaps we can see something at a table. At least, in my small opinion, I believe we can never know the answers to this. It's like the woman who had cancer and won the lottery twice. Sometimes it's just something that goes unexplained.

Questions:

1. How often do you win at craps? I'm winning more than 80% of the time. Is it rare? Is it also just part of the larger momentum swing or am I just feeling the 7s and turning my lines off at the right times?

2. Have you ever felt like Nostradamus or been so focused on the game that you really do feel certain numbers getting ready to hit? Do you catch them a lot?

3. When you roll the dice, not withstanding multiple techniques you may try to use, do you find that you seemingly hit the same numbers? For me the 9 hits a lot. And, I mean a lot!! It goes well beyond the math even. The 9 is hitting over 17%, surpassing the 7 hit rate when I'm rolling. I find that extremely odd over this duration.

4. What should you do when you are playing the right-way and 5 or more people at the table are playing the dark side? Should I find another table? I've tried to upset those guys buy yelling the numbers. If the set point is an 8, I yell "44 shooter, c'mon shooter. Roll a 44!! You can do it. Use the force! 44!!!" I don't really care if it annoys them. The dealers seem to be chuckling and I'm a happy kind of guy. I play relaxed even though I'm ultra competitive. I refuse to play dark side. It's not me and throws my vibe off.

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Do you have any questions for me?

For those of you who read all of this, I appreciate it. I love this game and as a true geek and math wiz, some things go way beyond the standard probability on paper.

Nope. No questions.

You should try the Ellen slot machine.

question.....do you smoke crack????

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question.....do you smoke crack????

Don't knock it til you try it. I have yet to smoke crack but I have heard that it is almost as good as not being addicted to crack.

Try dropping your nutsack on the rail every 20 minutes. Very few have the heart and dedication to the game. That is why you probably haven't seen it done much, though it is more of a west coast thing. This is guaranteed to make you a 90 percenter. I'm a 98 percenter myself. I like to keep the 8 percent to myself but might be willing to share for the right price. I just leave the last 2 percent on the table because I cannot bring myself to do what is required to get it. Oh well, you win some and lose some.

I have a question. Will you tell us about the bad months? I've had +$10k months and -$10k months. You will see the most brutal string of PSOs if you play long enough.

Are you naive enough to think your post wouldn't get such reaction? The only thing to have said is that you marvel over how lucky you have been. Instead you cited factors that have you evidently believing you are an AP.

I just skimmed it over, but 'Nostradamus' stuck out very readily. Yes, if you can see into the future you have it made. Waste no time futzing about in sites like this, get out there and make money!

Quote: JoelDeze

Questions:

1. How often do you win at craps? I'm winning more than 80% of the time. Is it rare? Is it also just part of the larger momentum swing or am I just feeling the 7s and turning my lines off at the right times?

2. Have you ever felt like Nostradamus or been so focused on the game that you really do feel certain numbers getting ready to hit? Do you catch them a lot?

3. When you roll the dice, not withstanding multiple techniques you may try to use, do you find that you seemingly hit the same numbers? For me the 9 hits a lot. And, I mean a lot!! It goes well beyond the math even. The 9 is hitting over 17%, surpassing the 7 hit rate when I'm rolling. I find that extremely odd over this duration.

4. What should you do when you are playing the right-way and 5 or more people at the table are playing the dark side? Should I find another table? I've tried to upset those guys buy yelling the numbers. If the set point is an 8, I yell "44 shooter, c'mon shooter. Roll a 44!! You can do it. Use the force! 44!!!" I don't really care if it annoys them. The dealers seem to be chuckling and I'm a happy kind of guy. I play relaxed even though I'm ultra competitive. I refuse to play dark side. It's not me and throws my vibe off.

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1. Rare. Not unheard of. 20% is also rare. Not unheard of.

2. No. When you predict a number y you will be right x/36 of the time where x is the number of ways you can roll y. That said, it is prone to variance. Get yourself tested for ESP. See a psychoanalyst. Get tested. Be bummed when you find out that you, like everyone else, is f***ked in the head.

3. No. You are experiencing variance.

4. Do whatever you want!!! Scream "Ca-Caw" at the top of your lungs. Pray to your favorite deity or their foe. Do the rain dance. Do the chicken dance. Do the Macarena. Doesn't matter. My particular strategy as a right-side better is to throw the dice at their chips and laugh maniacally when I knock over their stack with the point or the come-out 7-11. The dealers don't like it but who cares! Give them a toke or two with your 80% success rate!

Quote: JoelDeze

I started playing craps on 3/28. . . .I became hooked, obviously. . . I've won is because I've weathered the momentum swings and patiently waited for the hot roller.

Sorry to hear you've become hooked. Winning a little can do that to you. Don't worry. the winning will pass.

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I've become so hooked that I'm starting to go every night now. . . . understand and gauge momentum. Everyone seems to digress deeply into the math and probability factors that I don't hear many people truly discuss the momentum and hot roller probabilities that often.

Want to know why? There is no momentum. There are no hot rollers. Just periods when you get lucky and periods when you don't.

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My system is

Nobody here cares. Your system is financially worthless.

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I monitor the paper.

Whatever floats your boat. Don't let the dice see your paper or they may get defiant.

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I've also paid close attention to the idea and concept behind control shooting.

Have you noticed how few members here give any credibility to that nonsense?

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The main concept behind it is understanding that perhaps there is a patterned order in the universe and maybe just maybe all of those random rolls have a sense of purpose and timing.

I'm directed to politely criticise the writing, not the writer. What you wrote was nonsense in the extreme.

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I think all I'm doing is upsetting the balance of randomness on the dice. . .I'm not sure if this helps make me an advantage player or not, but I sometimes feel like Nostradamus when I'm on the table.

You're not: You're not: You're not, in that order.

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I love this game and as a true geek and math wiz, some things go way beyond the standard probability on paper.

You sir, are not a math wiz. There are adjectives to describe you, but the rules forbid me from using them.

Welcome to the wild and wooly game of craps.

You've had a bit of luck: it will pass.

The response you, a new member, have received to your post is indicative as to how most board members view the subjects you've raised: this is a math-based board where claims of seeming advantage will be dissected ad infinitum.

Your post leads me to conclude you will find a warmer reception, at least by kindred souls, at a different board, one devoted to dice setting and superstition.

They're out there: google them and good luck at the casinos.

You're welcome to remain at this board, of course, but expect to be mocked if you continue to post such as you have done.

Rough crowd.

Quote: MrV

... You're welcome to remain at this board, of course, but expect to be mocked if you continue to post such as you have done.

Rough crowd.

I don't know, it's not the board it used to be. Wizard is personable enough, but doesn't seem to have the same zip-in-flip and skip-in-dip. What else is there to add to the Odds site, after you're down to "analyzing" something called a white-yellow-red game.

Virtually all gamblers aren't into any math, let alone gambling math. Especially, not online slot players. I wonder if the Odds site is as dead as Alan Mendelson's bestbuys site where he commits his own gambling articles after showing them first on his main gambling site.

Anyway, Joel, don't be bullied from doing something you enjoy.

Yes, if you enjoy craps, play it: I do, and I do.

I submit to you that learning the math behind the game and familiarizing yourself with the concepts of "gambler's fallacy" and "confirmation bias" will stand you in good stead.

I read about 1/3 then skimmed the rest of it.

I give you points for the long writing. It's nice to read that people are winning.

But keep going every night and you will need a lot of luck. Good LUCK!

I dunno, I thought JD's initial post was tongue-in-cheek...maybe trying to get a rise out of people...

Quote: iamnomad

I dunno, I thought JD's initial post was tongue-in-cheek...maybe trying to get a rise out of people...

photographic memory and he chooses craps. Facepalm!!

Quote: AxelWolf

photographic memory and he chooses craps. Facepalm!!

Uh-oh, 'course your shorts are on the highway.

Quote: AxelWolf

photographic memory and he chooses craps. Facepalm!!

His photographic memory is not fully " developed".
Some with the ability just lack film.

Quote: iamnomad

I dunno, I thought JD's initial post was tongue-in-cheek...maybe trying to get a rise out of people...

Yes, it is a type of trolling to do that and we really get it here at this site [esp baccarat trolls doing that]

I'm not saying this guy's guilty, but in case he is, he's not fooling anybody. I'm sure I speak for most when I say the absence of the 'trolling' charge, for the most part, comes from trying to be polite to the new member. On the other hand, this is one reason I don't come out with all that "welcome, welcome, welcome!!!" BS every time. If your first post is bragging about how wonderful you are, that's rude too in its own way, and forgivable only for the socially oblivious.

Quote: JoelDeze

4. What should you do when you are playing the right-way and 5 or more people at the table are playing the dark side? Should I find another table?

I wouldn't worry about this. I've been a dark side player for years and I can't remember the last time I found myself playing with 4 other wrong ways at the table.

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I don't know, it's not the board it used to be. Wizard is personable enough, but doesn't seem to have the same zip-in-flip and skip-in-dip. What else is there to add to the Odds site, after you're down to "analyzing" something called a white-yellow-red game.

Virtually all gamblers aren't into any math, let alone gambling math. Especially, not online slot players. I wonder if the Odds site is as dead as Alan Mendelson's bestbuys site where he commits his own gambling articles after showing them first on his main gambling site.

Anyway, Joel, don't be bullied from doing something you enjoy.

I appreciate some of the kind replies. I really don't get upset from seeing any of the negative replies either. I am in the above average group where having thick skin is concerned. I'm sure many of the negative replies are from people that have been playing this or some other game for years. You do that long enough and it probably hits a nerve or two when someone does well.

I took my wife with me on Sunday and I had a hot roll the first time out and thought about going home but said, what the hell. Ended up losing $1,400 on the second round of play. Went back last night after saying you can't win them all. Won $1,100 and went home.

Yeah, I'm pretty much hooked on the game now. I'll keep playing until football season. My specialty is sports probability and forecasting for College/NFL. I own and operate (website removed by mod). Craps is an entertaining game and that's why I like it. Football is my life and that's why I invest in it.

Appreciate it.

Quote: AxelWolf

photographic memory and he chooses craps. Facepalm!!

I don't think you'll understand completely Axel unless you are able to see it. It's more than the thrill of neurons firing on all cylinders. Games that move rapidly allow me to clear my head a bit. I can throw up to $3k a night on this game and it wouldn't create a dent in my reality. I invest in sports probability and the market. Craps is no different than me tossing $300 on a nice dinner twice a week. I do it because I enjoy it and because I can.

When I'm playing craps I concentrate on the following:

1. Programming (actively programming code is first priority as I'm always building something).
2. Where the waitresses are. (I want my drink!)
3. Bouncing the dice to knock the cigar out of the old fart's hand at the end of the table (if I'm rolling).
4. The game.
5. What AxelWolf is doing right now. (no really, I'm always thinking about this when I'm playing... honest!!)

What can I say but those who heed life with too much speculation and contemplation are the ones stuck home with constipation. -- JDez

Quote: JoelDeze

...Yeah, I'm pretty much hooked on the game now. I'll keep playing until football season. My specialty is sports probability and forecasting for College/NFL. I own and operate (removed). Craps is an entertaining game and that's why I like it. Football is my life and that's why I invest in it.

Appreciate it.

Annnnnnnnnnnd there's the plug. "Hey guys I'm Nostradamus in craps, but my real passion/love is sports betting on this website I own that you guys should totally go check out / subscribe / place bets with me / whatever..."

I don't have a big problem with your post Joel... If you're getting lucky, great, and you certainly should celebrate. The only problem I have is you call yourself a math wiz and yet you clearly do not understand the math behind the game you're playing. Otherwise you'd know that every bet you're placing has a negative expectation and no combination of these negative bets will make them positive. Thus, you're clearly not a math wiz, and thus I highly highly doubt your "AP" abilities when it comes to anything else, such as your plugged sports site which I will not be visiting as a result.

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Annnnnnnnnnnd there's the plug. "Hey guys I'm Nostradamus in craps, but my real passion/love is sports betting on this website I own that you guys should totally go check out / subscribe / place bets with me / whatever..."

Oh crap should I have not wired him that $50,000? He said that he would triple it for me by the end of the next Super Bowl. Crap I always fall for these get rich quick schemes.

Quote: Romes

Annnnnnnnnnnd there's the plug. "Hey guys I'm Nostradamus in craps, but my real passion/love is sports betting on this website I own that you guys should totally go check out / subscribe / place bets with me / whatever..."

I don't have a big problem with your post Joel... If you're getting lucky, great, and you certainly should celebrate. The only problem I have is you call yourself a math wiz and yet you clearly do not understand the math behind the game you're playing. Otherwise you'd know that every bet you're placing has a negative expectation and no combination of these negative bets will make them positive. Thus, you're clearly not a math wiz, and thus I highly highly doubt your "AP" abilities when it comes to anything else, such as your plugged sports site which I will not be visiting as a result.

I fully understand and know the probabilities of all wagers in the game of craps. I've already built my own craps application which utilizes atmospheric noise for generating random dice rolls. Because, as you should already know, you cannot achieve any true random result in math. As for my comments on why I like craps and why I like sports investment, that's just me sharing how I feel about the two topics. If I mentioned that I own and operate a sports probability site and don't provide any link, the next most likely scenario is that someone will ask me what site? So, I provided an answer based off of expectation.

No one has to visit any link I post. I use real advertising a month before football season begins. Forums don't generally help with traffic generation. Unless, of course, it's a very large dedicated football community site - which this one isn't.

I don't have to prove to you or anyone else whether or not I'm a genius. You are 100% unique in this universe, as am I. You form your own opinions through your own unique perspective. All I can say is that you are incorrect in your rush to judgement and it's okay to be a flawed part of this social forum's paradigm.

The guy may be the real thing.
He spotted that Romes is 'flawed' pretty quick ;-)

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

The guy may be the real thing.
He spotted that Romes is 'flawed' pretty quick ;-)

This made me laugh more than it should have...

We are not all unique snow flakes. We're all products of our environment. Want someone to think dice influence is real? I can make that happen. Want someone who thinks it's not? I can also make that happen... We process the thoughts in our heads given the relative experiences we've had in our lives. Very very few of us are actually somewhat unique =).

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Annnnnnnnnnnd there's the plug.

Exactly.

Hell, I don't have a problem with someone trying to get people to notice their site trying to make a few bucks.

I just don't like the elaborate schemes and BS stories they come up with.

Something like...
"Hey guy's, I have a website with football betting information check it out please, I would appreciate the traffic and support"

I would probably check it out.

Joel, tell me this from your experience:

What percentage of people in your type of business use the following scam?

The scammer gets 100 contacts and gives 50 of them a tip what team will win, and 50 of them a tip the other team will win.

He will have 50 people he's given a winning tip. Now probably also for free 25 get another tip, 25 the opposite tip.

Now he has 25 happy prospects; he can go for 13 more next round, but its time to start charging for this extremely valuable information!

By the time he's down to 5 or 6 things could be quite lucrative.

Do 100% of the guys in your business do this, or is only 90-95% ?

This wouldn't be you, would it Joel? BTW, you've come upon a website that is going to have very few good prospects for you. Probably none. Lots of luck!

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

The guy may be the real thing.

You wnat to talk about the "real thing", eh? Just wait till I've have my shower, and come to me senses!"

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Joel, tell me this from your experience:

What percentage of people in your type of business use the following scam?

The scammer gets 100 contacts and gives 50 of them a tip what team will win, and 50 of them a tip the other team will win.

He will have 50 people he's given a winning tip. Now probably also for free 25 get another tip, 25 the opposite tip.

Now he has 25 happy prospects; he can go for 13 more next round, but its time to start charging for this extremely valuable information!

By the time he's down to 5 or 6 things could be quite lucrative.

Do 100% of the guys in your business do this, or is only 90-95% ?

This wouldn't be you, would it Joel? BTW, you've come upon a website that is going to have very few good prospects for you. Probably none. Lots of luck!

The guy with the astrology betting has a chance. I felt the site was a bit dull, and he was mixing in bible quotes. However I think there's people who are into astrology and fortune telling stuff.

Just had to check it out.

TIRED OF LOSING RATED GAMES OVER 91.3 % FOR PROS

Thank God he is a humanitarian and will to share this path to riches.

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<snip>
The scammer gets 100 contacts and gives 50 of them a tip what team will win, and 50 of them a tip the other team will win.

He will have 50 people he's given a winning tip. Now probably also for free 25 get another tip, 25 the opposite tip.

Now he has 25 happy prospects; he can go for 13 more next round, but its time to start charging for this extremely valuable information!

By the time he's down to 5 or 6 things could be quite lucrative. <snip>

That's ingenious OG! I always wondered where your craps money came from ;-)

Quote: Romes

This made me laugh more than it should have...

We are not all unique snow flakes. =).

Speak for yourself.
I suspect that I am uniquely flaky, or unique in my flakiness, or sumptin'.

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Uh-oh, 'course your shorts are on the highway.

Two hundred -n -FORTY--6

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That's ingenious OG! I always wondered where your craps money came from ;-)

A night with OG at the craps table: whispers to the guys to his left, "shooter will make his point" ... whispers to the guys to his right "shooter will 7-out" .... it goes on and your boy starts charging for these tips!!! Secret is out!

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A night with OG at the craps table: whispers to the guys to his left, "shooter will make his point" ... whispers to the guys to his right "shooter will 7-out" .... it goes on and your boy starts charging for these tips!!! Secret is out!

To answer your first post, I don't wager for other people. Our services aren't built like this. We have 3 monthly subs ($10/$15/$20) which is smaller than any competitors in the market. When someone signs up to the $10 in the first year, I automatically bring them up to the $20 sub profile for free because I want them to see all of the tools. I've kind of gone back and forth on the whole thing and thought about just offering a one-price model. In the end, it probably works best. A marketing friend of mine once told me that I reminded him of the geniuses that come out of Silicon Valley. I build a great toolset, offer fantastic services, give great attention to detail on how to use everything and then completely flop at trying to market things. I am not a great marketing person or a salesman.

Our services are built around 5 independent systems (using 5 different algorithms) to create probability scenarios/outcomes. Once those are properly measured and garbage data is reduced, it gets incorporated into a risk mark system called LPR (Loss Profile Ratings). The higher the LPR score for a team/game, the higher the probability they will win. We have regression models that are tested weekly, in-season yearly, 3-year marks and 5-year marks. The 5-year marks really only benefit the NFL and the 3-year marks benefit College.

If anyone is interested in how the tools work, just register on the site, PM me your email, and I'll give you a free subscription for this year. You can play with every feature of the site all season long. The only thing I'd ask for is "feedback". I don't care if the feedback is positive or negative. My main goal is to constantly update and refine the tools and features so that it is very easy to work with game time scenarios.

A lot of the subscribers we have like things but you won't see me post a bunch of quotes from people saying how my system saved their life, blah, blah, blah. You decide for yourself whether there's any benefit to using the tools. Afterall, I just said I'd make it free the first year. And, I even showed my price model (which is absurdly low).

Read the about section.

By the way, I'm still having a phenomenal time with Craps.

Made $1k on Monday and $875 on Wednesday. Recovered all my losses from the weekend. I had a few problems short rolling from the left of the stick man because there was too much firggin humidity at the 10x odds table. The Pit Boss got furious at me and so I said I wasn't doing it on purpose. Other than that, still on a huge winning side. I hope it stays.

"No guys I didn't mean to bring up my site... Oh but since it's brought up here's all the ways to subscribe and pay me and I'll even throw you a bone just pm me and ..."

How is this not solicitation? I'm flagging the post.

Like Axel said... You'd be better received without the gimmick. Just come in and post a thread in the appropriate section "My Sports Betting Site - Free Subscriptions" then give us your details. This would actually get people to click it rather than the run around of a thread about something else "but oh hey since I brought this up..." sales pitch.

LOL AT SHORT THROWS DUE TO HUMIDITY

Quote: JoelDeze

To answer your first post, I don't wager for other people. Our services aren't built like this. We have 3 monthly subs ($10/$15/$20) which is smaller than any competitors in the market. When someone signs up to the $10 in the first year, I automatically bring them up to the $20 sub profile for free because I want them to see all of the tools. I've kind of gone back and forth on the whole thing and thought about just offering a one-price model. In the end, it probably works best. A marketing friend of mine once told me that I reminded him of the geniuses that come out of Silicon Valley. I build a great toolset, offer fantastic services, give great attention to detail on how to use everything and then completely flop at trying to market things. I am not a great marketing person or a salesman.

Our services are built around 5 independent systems (using 5 different algorithms) to create probability scenarios/outcomes. Once those are properly measured and garbage data is reduced, it gets incorporated into a risk mark system called LPR (Loss Profile Ratings). The higher the LPR score for a team/game, the higher the probability they will win. We have regression models that are tested weekly, in-season yearly, 3-year marks and 5-year marks. The 5-year marks really only benefit the NFL and the 3-year marks benefit College.

If anyone is interested in how the tools work, just register on the site, PM me your email, and I'll give you a free subscription for this year. You can play with every feature of the site all season long. The only thing I'd ask for is "feedback". I don't care if the feedback is positive or negative. My main goal is to constantly update and refine the tools and features so that it is very easy to work with game time scenarios.

A lot of the subscribers we have like things but you won't see me post a bunch of quotes from people saying how my system saved their life, blah, blah, blah. You decide for yourself whether there's any benefit to using the tools. After all, I just said I'd make it free the first year. And, I even showed my price model (which is absurdly low).

Read the about section.

Were I some sort of craps player, I would pay the $10 or $20 just to read your columns. I haven't seen this style of writing which flows so effortlessly in a long time. It punctuates itself.

Quote: Romes

"No guys I didn't mean to bring up my site... Oh but since it's brought up here's all the ways to subscribe and pay me and I'll even throw you a bone just pm me and ..."

How is this not solicitation? I'm flagging the post.

Like Axel said... You'd be better received without the gimmick. Just come in and post a thread in the appropriate section "My Sports Betting Site - Free Subscriptions" then give us your details. This would actually get people to click it rather than the run around of a thread about something else "but oh hey since I brought this up..." sales pitch.

I can understand why you feel the way you do. I will heed your advice with great inflection and resounding contemplation. After all, anything else would be uncivilized.

Quote: JoelDeze

I can understand why you feel the way you do. I will heed your advice with great inflection and resounding contemplation. After all, anything else would be uncivilized.

Gee, these other paying advertisers must feel so silly.

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LOL AT SHORT THROWS DUE TO HUMIDITY

it sounds weird to guys like you and me, but to someone who can see the future, it's irritating as hell. You can see the throw in your mind, it's going to be a yo, and you put a wad on the yo. Then as the dice are tossed, this big cloud swoops across the table and screws it all up!

Seen it a million times with these swami types - they'd be getting rich except for stuff like that, then they have to work some hustle to make ends meet

Quote: GWAE

LOL AT SHORT THROWS DUE TO HUMIDITY

Quote: odiousgambit

it sounds weird to guys like you and me, but to someone who can see the future, it's irritating as hell. You can see the throw in your mind, it's going to be a yo, and you put a wad on the yo. Then as the dice are tossed, this big cloud swoops across the table and screws it all up!

Seen it a million times with these swami types - they'd be getting rich except for stuff like that, then they have to work some hustle to make ends meet

hmmmm this morning I had my $6 6 pressed all the way to $42. I threw the dice and it landed on 6 for a second then it flipped over to a 7. Do you think it could have been the humidity that made that happen?

Quote: MathExtremist

So, this is what they mean by a floating craps game? =)

Quote: odiousgambit

Seen it a million times with these swami types - they'd be getting rich except for stuff like that, then they have to work some hustle to make ends meet

How is putting up a bunch of relatively simple math which neither helps players (truly) win, helps players quit, nor talks about everyday gambling experiences with everyday gamblers, for the purpose of "unanimously" advertising for a bunch of thus "approved" online casinos not a form of the hustle?

Quote: Joeman

Quote: MathExtremist

So, this is what they mean by a floating craps game? =)

The lack of humidity in today's casinos surely has chased away the babes in swim suits.

Quote: JoelDeze

To answer your first post, I don't wager for other people. Our services aren't built like this. We have 3 monthly subs ($10/$15/$20) which is smaller than any competitors in the market. When someone signs up to the $10 in the first year, I automatically bring them up to the $20 sub profile for free because I want them to see all of the tools. I've kind of gone back and forth on the whole thing and thought about just offering a one-price model. In the end, it probably works best. A marketing friend of mine once told me that I reminded him of the geniuses that come out of Silicon Valley. I build a great toolset, offer fantastic services, give great attention to detail on how to use everything and then completely flop at trying to market things. I am not a great marketing person or a salesman.

Our services are built around 5 independent systems (using 5 different algorithms) to create probability scenarios/outcomes. Once those are properly measured and garbage data is reduced, it gets incorporated into a risk mark system called LPR (Loss Profile Ratings). The higher the LPR score for a team/game, the higher the probability they will win. We have regression models that are tested weekly, in-season yearly, 3-year marks and 5-year marks. The 5-year marks really only benefit the NFL and the 3-year marks benefit College.

If anyone is interested in how the tools work, just register on the site, PM me your email, and I'll give you a free subscription for this year. You can play with every feature of the site all season long. The only thing I'd ask for is "feedback". I don't care if the feedback is positive or negative. My main goal is to constantly update and refine the tools and features so that it is very easy to work with game time scenarios.

A lot of the subscribers we have like things but you won't see me post a bunch of quotes from people saying how my system saved their life, blah, blah, blah. You decide for yourself whether there's any benefit to using the tools. Afterall, I just said I'd make it free the first year. And, I even showed my price model (which is absurdly low).

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