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TwoFeathersATL
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March 21st, 2016 at 3:02:33 PM permalink
I used to have a brick of $100s.
Apparently IBYA is correct, it didn't mean squat ;-)

Apparently my brick was used to re-tile one of the restrooms....
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
eclectic
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March 21st, 2016 at 3:40:53 PM permalink
DS: welcome back. Sounds like suspension is kinda like a childish 'time out'. I continue to follow this thread with interest and would like more details on technique and mechanics. Apart from your experience with DI, would you have any recommendations as to someone who was adept at analyzing my throw to advise on pointers about the making adjustments? I remain skeptical about the seminars. Too pricy. If you have any simple pointers or tips please advise? I believe DI is certainly possible; BUT he would have to be someone like a Tiger Woods who started early and had a mentor. His dad might be a dealer who has a craps table in his home.
Practice, practice, practice, until he is of age to enter a casino.
AxelWolf
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March 21st, 2016 at 4:50:16 PM permalink
I'm very surprised that Artemis associated a wad of cash from a few old-timers with AP.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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March 21st, 2016 at 5:26:29 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Why the burning desire to convince us that DI is real? It makes no sense to argue and say basically the same stuff over and over on a forum that's full of people who refuse to believe. Until you actually can show something legitimate it's always going to go like this...
"No you cant"
DS, "Yes I can"
"Show proof"
DS,"I'm a lifetime loser but I have been winning constantly lately, so it must be skill"
ME,"I could show you how to actually make money if you can actually influence the dice"
DS,"I'd rather bun in hell"

Really, who are you trying to convince? It sounds as if you're really just trying to convince yourself.

Why sit and butt heads with everyone here and just wast your time?
I can imagine there are a few Crap(s) DI forums filled with like minded people who will contribute positively .
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 21st, 2016 at 8:03:41 PM permalink
I want some baumkuchen. Now, even. Never heard of it before. I have to go look for some.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
dicesitter
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March 22nd, 2016 at 7:19:24 AM permalink
Rs


Thanks for the reply, I will provide something for you, not sure yet how I will do it, I have
two trials this week and have a very limited amount of time.

thanks again

dicesetter
AxelWolf
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March 22nd, 2016 at 9:14:22 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Rs


Thanks for the reply, I will provide something for you, not sure yet how I will do it, I have
two trials this week and have a very limited amount of time.

thanks again

dicesetter

hopefully its fresh random data and not cherry picked.

Some of theses so called DI'so boast of incredible SRS number's then when you actually watch them shoot suddenly they are having and off day, and we'll you know. They always seem to have monster rolls when no one is around and all the witnesses seem to have disappeared.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MathExtremist
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March 22nd, 2016 at 9:54:33 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

hopefully its fresh random data and not cherry picked.

Some of theses so called DI'so boast of incredible SRS number's then when you actually watch them shoot suddenly they are having and off day, and we'll you know. They always seem to have monster rolls when no one is around and all the witnesses seem to have disappeared.

It's not the freshness of the data that matters, it's the significance. I just dropped two casino dice onto my carpet six times. I got two sixes, two fives, a twelve, and a four. Look how skillful I am -- my SRR is zero. :)

Of course, six rolls won't tell you anything about anything. That's why the idea of "your shot is working" after just a few rolls is bogus if you're just looking at results. It's impossible to tell six slightly controlled throws from six random ones.

There are proper methods that could be used to gather statistically-significant data about dice rolls, but I don't think you'll find that any of the dice-throwing adherents are following them. Also, you'd need to establish consistent initial conditions in order to evaluate the results, but those initial conditions aren't at all consistent when dice are thrown by hand. In fact, dicesitter's theory is apparently that there is a relationship between the initial orientation of the dice and the final orientation. For example, if the final orientation has one die turned 90 degrees from a desired outcome, the initial set should be adjusted by 90 degrees in the other direction to compensate and yield that desired outcome. Except he's wrong -- that notion of predictability in dice throws based on initial orientation has been disproven when the dice are thrown by hand on craps tables. This has already been studied by dynamicists (those who study forces and motion):
Quote: Marcin Kapitaniak, "The three-dimensional dynamics of the die throw"

Practically, the predictability [of a die throw] can be realized only when the die is thrown by a special device which allows to set very precisely the initial conditions. ... In real experiment, the predictability is possible only for very small "e", i.e., an accuracy which in practice is extremely difficult to implement and that is why the coin toss, die throw, and roulette run can be considered as a random process.

Throwing two dice off the back wall of a felt-covered craps table by hand is nowhere close to the level of precision required to approach predictability. I'd be willing to bet that despite however many hours or years of practice, the dice-influence advocates on this forum can't even get the dice to come to rest consistently within a given spot on the table (other than "somewhere at the far end"). If you can't even affect where the dice come to rest, how can you possibly affect the results?

Try this as an experiment: take two casino dice and drop them from a height of 6 inches onto your carpet. Be as precise as you can be and use the same initial orientation, e.g., dice side-by-side, 1s up, 2s facing you. Are they distinguishable from random? Track the results and post them here.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
TwoFeathersATL
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March 22nd, 2016 at 10:14:25 AM permalink
You seem over involved in this discussion. Pls tell me you and Dicesetter are not 'one and the same' having a prolonged discussion between the two halves of you. If you are, don't admit it. It gives me something to read;-)
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
dicesitter
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March 22nd, 2016 at 11:17:06 AM permalink
Axelwolf



Because of that comment you will get nothing.... period


dicesetter

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