Pass/don't pass together
Can I play one unit on the pass Line and one unit on the don ´t pass line at the same Time, in order to choose where I will play my odds after a point is made ?
Tank you.
Quote: MikeduboisHi,
Can I play one unit on the pass Line and one unit on the don ´t pass line at the same Time, in order to choose where I will play my odds after a point is made ?
Tank you.
sure, but why would you? two negative expectation bets do not cancel each other out.
this "doey-don't" thing gets asked a lot. You are betting twice as much on the line this way to achieve less variance on the bets that are very low in variance to begin with. So, on the line bets, losing twice as much for nothing.
Doey-don't is a very good example of something that seems to make sense when you first look at it, but actually is one of the gambler's fallacies, thinking that hedging with -EV bets helps. Often, bet combinations seem to have a certain logic to them at first blush.
The thing to take away from this is to never think bet combinations are going to help you, assuming they are combinations of -EV bets. Each bet has that -EV and it is undefeatable.
Quote: MikeduboisHi,
Can I play one unit on the pass Line and one unit on the don ´t pass line at the same Time, in order to choose where I will play my odds after a point is made ?
Tank you.
What's happening between the come out roll and the next roll that influences where you place your odds?
Quote: wilbsmittWhat's happening between the come out roll and the next roll that influences where you place your odds?
If the 4 or the 10 is the point after the come out roll, i will lay my odds on the don't come line giving me 6 way to win (7) against 3 ways to lose (4 or 10). This give me 66.66% chances to win.
Thrue or not ?
Quote: MikeduboisIf the 4 or the 10 is the point after the come out roll, i will lay my odds on the don't come line giving me 6 way to win (7) against 3 ways to lose (4 or 10). This give me 66.66% chances to win.
Thrue or not ?
Gotcha, but you also have more chances to win on the don'ts when the point is 5,6,8 & 9, so why not just bet the don't alone and avoid losing on the pass line when the inevitable 12 rolls?
Quote: WizardNo, this is not a good idea. The pass and don't pass do not cancel each other out. If you roll a 12 the pass will lose and the don't pass will push, for a net loss. To illustrate the increase in the house edge in this strategy lets assume the casino allows 5X odds. The house advantage by betting the pass line and full odds would be (7/495)/(1+5*2/3) = 0.326% . The house advantage by betting both the pass and don't pass lines and full double odds would be (7/495+27/1925)/(2+5*2/3) =0.528% . You can see the house advantage is about 62% greater by betting both the pass and don't pass lines. By adding the don't pass bet into the equation you are mixing into the formula another bet with a house advantage which brings down your overall expected return.
Mike asks about the double sided come-out and the wizard quote is the odds bet. Not the same thing. Have to be after the come-out to speak about odds.
If you bust this into two games; come out and point game, then you may see my point (lol, no pun intended)
I still calc a double/sided come out at 1.38 not 2.77 because you wager $10 but only risk $5. Is that not right?
After the come-out, this talk about max odds, is something I rarely do. Im no help for you there, but pass don't pass on the comeout? Im a longtime user, long time winner, as part one of a deeper strategy. All alone its stupid, but when used as part of a larger plan, it can be complete and utter genius.
Quote: rushdlAll alone its stupid, but when used as part of a larger plan, it can be complete and utter genius.
Prior to this line, you were just a guy who was unable to understand the concepts provided by the forum members. If you believe you have found something that is "complete and utter genius", please just play it at any casino, and report back on all your winnings. Good luck!
Quote: SOOPOOPrior to this line, you were just a guy who was unable to understand the concepts provided by the forum members. If you believe you have found something that is "complete and utter genius", please just play it at any casino, and report back on all your winnings. Good luck!
amen
Quote: SOOPOOPrior to this line, you were just a guy who was unable to understand the concepts provided by the forum members. If you believe you have found something that is "complete and utter genius", please just play it at any casino, and report back on all your winnings. Good luck!
It won't be enough for him to simply "report" his winnings.
The members will want proof, and full disclosure of the system with the opportunity to test it using established methodology.
Quote: MrVIt won't be enough for him to simply "report" his winnings.
It won't be enough for him either. He will need for us to concede his genius as he comes here and gives us incomplete information about his system.
In the course of the failure to impress anybody, he will need to turn into a complete troll and get himself banned. He may or may not return later under different IDs.
