I need some newer and/ or better crap strategies then these examples!!
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September 29th, 2015 at 1:27:05 PM
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I need some newer and/ or better crap strategies then these examples and are mathematically sound!
a) Pass line with full odds
b) Don't pass or don't come
c) place the 6 and 8 or just the 6 or the 8 (side not i wonder whats better one 6 or 8 vs both the 6 and the 8??
d) buy the 4 and the 10
e) Iron cross (with 3-1 on the field)
f) 3 point molly - pass line and 2 come bets with odds
Disclaimer- I realize in the LONG RUN ALL SYSTEMS and or strategies will lose!!! please give this question your best shot of answering!!!
a) Pass line with full odds
b) Don't pass or don't come
c) place the 6 and 8 or just the 6 or the 8 (side not i wonder whats better one 6 or 8 vs both the 6 and the 8??
d) buy the 4 and the 10
e) Iron cross (with 3-1 on the field)
f) 3 point molly - pass line and 2 come bets with odds
Disclaimer- I realize in the LONG RUN ALL SYSTEMS and or strategies will lose!!! please give this question your best shot of answering!!!
September 29th, 2015 at 2:44:24 PM
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1: How big is your bankroll?
2: Are you a grinder?
3: Are you an action player?
4: Are you patient?
5: Are you okay with the dealers at the table possibly being irritated with you?
2: Are you a grinder?
3: Are you an action player?
4: Are you patient?
5: Are you okay with the dealers at the table possibly being irritated with you?
September 29th, 2015 at 3:04:59 PM
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1) LETS JUST SAY TABLE MAX FOR EXAMPLE SAKE
2) SOMETIMES
3) YES
4) SOMETIMES
5) YES I AM OK WITH IT
2) SOMETIMES
3) YES
4) SOMETIMES
5) YES I AM OK WITH IT
September 29th, 2015 at 4:32:13 PM
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Quote: Anon1) LETS JUST SAY TABLE MAX FOR EXAMPLE SAKE
2) SOMETIMES
3) YES
4) SOMETIMES
5) YES I AM OK WITH IT
Quote: Anon1) LETS JUST SAY TABLE MAX FOR EXAMPLE SAKE
2) SOMETIMES
3) YES
4) SOMETIMES
5) YES I AM OK WITH IT
I'll preface my suggestions first, by making a statement. Unless you are shooting the dice and can absolutely influence their outcomes away from rolling the 7, you're not going to make any money, obviously DI is a hotly debated topic here, so I won't really bring it up rather than address it point blank.
That being said, if you have a big bankroll to mitigate swings, you're okay with people or dealers not necessarily liking you, and you're okay with grinding out your wins, you might consider playing the "wrong" side. Conversely, you might also consider a variant of your iron cross method. There's a million ways to play IC, you can leave it up indefinitely, you can use your field wins to place additional numbers and eventually come off the field when you have made profit and placed all of your point numbers, you might leave it up for 5 rolls and then pull it down. Its all up to you and your requirement for "action".
I know guys who swear by IC22, leaving it up for 4 rolls and then bringing it all down who supposedly "win" all the time, but forget that a 7 out within those first 4 rolls would essentially wreck the investment and potentially take forever to earn it back, only to have it wrecked again once they do. These guys, prefer a specific layout however, where box cars pays triple, and won't even think about playing on a 2/12 double layout.
I know "wrong" bettors who live by the DC and come in every day to make $100 and leave. I also know guys who don't play the DC, but lay the 4/10 for large amounts on the come out roll only. Everyone seems to have a system, and the only person I've ever seen "work" a system, was a guy who played DC, but also played a heavy 6/8 who just seemed to always stack up the chips. Unfortunately for him, the mathematics just don't back up the strategy and there just isn't a legitimate "system" that will win at craps over the long haul. So you'll need to decide for yourself, what kind of action you prefer, whether its "right" or "wrong", whether its IC22, or 32A, whether you leave it up after X rolls, or wait Y rolls to even put it up. At the end of the day, without knowing with certainty whether someone is going to roll a long time or a very short time, there's just no way to make guaranteed money, and of course we'll never "know" the outcome of a shooters roll until AFTER its over, so we'll never get a leg up.
September 29th, 2015 at 5:03:00 PM
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Quote: AnonI need some newer and/ or better crap strategies then these examples and are mathematically sound!
a) Pass line with full odds
b) Don't pass or don't come
c) place the 6 and 8 or just the 6 or the 8 (side not i wonder whats better one 6 or 8 vs both the 6 and the 8??
d) buy the 4 and the 10
e) Iron cross (with 3-1 on the field)
f) 3 point molly - pass line and 2 come bets with odds
Disclaimer- I realize in the LONG RUN ALL SYSTEMS and or strategies will lose!!! please give this question your best shot of answering!!!
I suggest c) and f), with this modification: 6 & 8 have money always on them, whether PL, Come, or Place. Reduce exposure with one Come bet. If 6 or 8 are neither Point or Come, Place them.
September 29th, 2015 at 5:16:01 PM
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Quote: Exoter1751: How big is your bankroll?
2: Are you a grinder?
3: Are you an action player?
4: Are you patient?
5: Are you okay with the dealers at the table possibly being irritated with you?
Hello Exoter,,, welcome to theforum.
1thru4 are excellent questions, with the corollary to 1: being how long do you want to play.
5. is a subtle point. I'd be okay as a five dollar better where everyone else is playing with Barneys. The dealers are annoyed with me but I'm not making it rough for them. Any dealer who feels he is being 'stroked' will feel better when he hears 'for all the boys and girls'. And if one player says it, others will soon get with it too.
September 29th, 2015 at 8:13:10 PM
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Quote: AnonI need some newer and/ or better crap strategies then these examples and are mathematically sound!
a) Pass line with full odds
b) Don't pass or don't come
c) place the 6 and 8 or just the 6 or the 8 (side not i wonder whats better one 6 or 8 vs both the 6 and the 8??
d) buy the 4 and the 10
e) Iron cross (with 3-1 on the field)
f) 3 point molly - pass line and 2 come bets with odds
Disclaimer- I realize in the LONG RUN ALL SYSTEMS and or strategies will lose!!! please give this question your best shot of answering!!!
Check this out...
http://starchip.com/crapdata.htm
Should keep you busy for a while. :)
September 29th, 2015 at 8:29:46 PM
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My current strategy is to only Place/Buy all six numbers (at the equivalent of a $5 Pass Line bet with full Odds) and have them ON at all times.
I converted to this strategy from Pass Line and continuous Come with full Odds. Instead of winning a bet only when the number is rolled twice, now I win the same amount on the first roll and risked the same amount of money on that number. Sure, I give up the chance to win or lose $5 on the Come Out Roll, but I'm more interested in winning $35 (7x as much) when a number is rolled.
For example, at a $5 3-4-5x table, full odds on 4/10 is $15, 5/9 is $20, 6/8 is $25. The Pass/Come bet wins $5 and the Odds bet wins $30, for a combined win of $35. I hated it when the shooter rolled each number one time each and then a 7, losing me $150.
Conversely, before the come out roll, I Buy the 4 & 10 for $20, Place the 5 & 9 for $25, Place the 6 & 8 for $30 and request to be working (the dice don't know what roll it is - may as well make money on the come out roll too.) The same $150 spread across all six numbers will win the same $35 on the inside numbers but $39 on the 4 & 10. Most importantly, now I get paid from the first time that the number is rolled and break even after about four numbers have been rolled. I'm filling up my rack after the fifth roll. This strategy is more volatile since you can lose more money when the shooter rolls a 7 in the first few rolls. However, when the hot shooters have the dice, you'll make more money. (I don't care how many points are made, merely how many numbers are rolled.)
I typically buy in for $1,000. When a 7 comes, I tell the dealer to leave my bets working as I drop another $150 on the table. FWIW, I estimate that I earn at least 3x as many player rewards tier points with this strategy.
If you find a casino that will let you Buy the 5/9 and pay the vig only on a win, the same $25 bet will win $36 instead of $35. If you don't want to give up 50 cents in rounding (5/9 pays 3:2), you can fork out an additional $2 up front and Buy the 5 & 9 for $26, winning $38.
I converted to this strategy from Pass Line and continuous Come with full Odds. Instead of winning a bet only when the number is rolled twice, now I win the same amount on the first roll and risked the same amount of money on that number. Sure, I give up the chance to win or lose $5 on the Come Out Roll, but I'm more interested in winning $35 (7x as much) when a number is rolled.
For example, at a $5 3-4-5x table, full odds on 4/10 is $15, 5/9 is $20, 6/8 is $25. The Pass/Come bet wins $5 and the Odds bet wins $30, for a combined win of $35. I hated it when the shooter rolled each number one time each and then a 7, losing me $150.
Conversely, before the come out roll, I Buy the 4 & 10 for $20, Place the 5 & 9 for $25, Place the 6 & 8 for $30 and request to be working (the dice don't know what roll it is - may as well make money on the come out roll too.) The same $150 spread across all six numbers will win the same $35 on the inside numbers but $39 on the 4 & 10. Most importantly, now I get paid from the first time that the number is rolled and break even after about four numbers have been rolled. I'm filling up my rack after the fifth roll. This strategy is more volatile since you can lose more money when the shooter rolls a 7 in the first few rolls. However, when the hot shooters have the dice, you'll make more money. (I don't care how many points are made, merely how many numbers are rolled.)
I typically buy in for $1,000. When a 7 comes, I tell the dealer to leave my bets working as I drop another $150 on the table. FWIW, I estimate that I earn at least 3x as many player rewards tier points with this strategy.
If you find a casino that will let you Buy the 5/9 and pay the vig only on a win, the same $25 bet will win $36 instead of $35. If you don't want to give up 50 cents in rounding (5/9 pays 3:2), you can fork out an additional $2 up front and Buy the 5 & 9 for $26, winning $38.
September 29th, 2015 at 11:15:26 PM
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Time to dust off the "Four-Barrel Shotgun." This is adapted from a r.g.c post over 12 years ago:
Overview
Establish four points, then take odds on them simultaneously. If two numbers come down before a 7, you're slightly ahead.
Let's assume $10/3,4,5x odds, standard on the Las Vegas strip these days. (The original post had $2/10x. Hah!)
Phase 1
Make a $10 pass line bet, and continue making $10 come bets until you have a total of four numbers working: one pass and 3 comes. Do not make any odds bets yet.
Four numbers covered won't happen all the time, so you'll be waiting a bit to get to phase 2. The worst you can do in this phase, outside of a long streak of craps rolls, is to lose 2 line bets because the last come wins.
Phase 2
Once you have four numbers working, take odds on all of them at once. I recommend 2x ($20) to start, and then press later if the shooter keeps going. Now wait for the numbers to come down, and keep count of how many odds bets you win. If the 7 shows prior to any numbers being made, obviously you're out of luck. This is the maximum loss for any given shooter, again outside of any other craps rolls. If one number is hit prior to a 7, you'll lose about half your total wager. But if two or more numbers are hit, you'll be ahead.
Phase 3
If three numbers hit, you can start rebetting the come line. Remember how I said to keep count of the number of odds bets you'd won? Make come bets until you have that many numbers covered, and take odds on each. If you go off-and-on with an existing come point, that increases the count of total odds bets won. If you've only won 4 odds bets, don't make more than 4 come bets. This will ensure that you keep some winnings.
Phase 4
At some point, if the shooter keeps rolling numbers, your count of odds bets won will exceed 6. This means several things. It means
that you will always have a bet in the come box, and it means that any number hit will go off-and-on. It also means you can start pressing the odds amounts to higher bets since you didn't max-out the odds at first. Beyond this, it's up to you how you proceed. You can continue to just go off-and-on, you can press the odds bets, and if you've already made the maximum odds bet you can even start pressing your line bets.
If a seven rolls and knocks you down, start over. If you made it to Phase 3, you'll have a profit. If you've made it to Phase 4, you'll
have a sizeable profit.
A good way to gauge when to stop is to track how many total wipeouts you have. For example, a $400 bankroll can survive three total wipeouts of four $10/2x bets. So start with $400, play until you have three total wipeouts, and then see whether you're up or down. If you've found a $5 table, you can halve everything including the starting bankroll.
Overview
Establish four points, then take odds on them simultaneously. If two numbers come down before a 7, you're slightly ahead.
Let's assume $10/3,4,5x odds, standard on the Las Vegas strip these days. (The original post had $2/10x. Hah!)
Phase 1
Make a $10 pass line bet, and continue making $10 come bets until you have a total of four numbers working: one pass and 3 comes. Do not make any odds bets yet.
Four numbers covered won't happen all the time, so you'll be waiting a bit to get to phase 2. The worst you can do in this phase, outside of a long streak of craps rolls, is to lose 2 line bets because the last come wins.
Phase 2
Once you have four numbers working, take odds on all of them at once. I recommend 2x ($20) to start, and then press later if the shooter keeps going. Now wait for the numbers to come down, and keep count of how many odds bets you win. If the 7 shows prior to any numbers being made, obviously you're out of luck. This is the maximum loss for any given shooter, again outside of any other craps rolls. If one number is hit prior to a 7, you'll lose about half your total wager. But if two or more numbers are hit, you'll be ahead.
Phase 3
If three numbers hit, you can start rebetting the come line. Remember how I said to keep count of the number of odds bets you'd won? Make come bets until you have that many numbers covered, and take odds on each. If you go off-and-on with an existing come point, that increases the count of total odds bets won. If you've only won 4 odds bets, don't make more than 4 come bets. This will ensure that you keep some winnings.
Phase 4
At some point, if the shooter keeps rolling numbers, your count of odds bets won will exceed 6. This means several things. It means
that you will always have a bet in the come box, and it means that any number hit will go off-and-on. It also means you can start pressing the odds amounts to higher bets since you didn't max-out the odds at first. Beyond this, it's up to you how you proceed. You can continue to just go off-and-on, you can press the odds bets, and if you've already made the maximum odds bet you can even start pressing your line bets.
If a seven rolls and knocks you down, start over. If you made it to Phase 3, you'll have a profit. If you've made it to Phase 4, you'll
have a sizeable profit.
A good way to gauge when to stop is to track how many total wipeouts you have. For example, a $400 bankroll can survive three total wipeouts of four $10/2x bets. So start with $400, play until you have three total wipeouts, and then see whether you're up or down. If you've found a $5 table, you can halve everything including the starting bankroll.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
September 30th, 2015 at 5:42:41 PM
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RE: 4 barrel shotgun. Please excuse any questions that seem stupid. :)
Do you leave your bets working - always on? In trying this on the Wizard's craps simulator, the base bets are staying on, but the odds are off during come-out.
If you have an off-and-on come bet when you're in phase 2, do you replace the odds right then, or play it bare until some point? If you wait for something to replace those odds, what is it?
Do you leave winning bets up at some point? If so, just the base bet, or the odds too?
I'm getting a lot of rolls where it all works until I stop to put up 2x odds on the 4 points, then..immediate 7 out. lol. But still right about even after about 200 rolls. Low was down 273, High was up 435 (using $10 base bets). Just not sure I'm doing it right.
Thanks!
Do you leave your bets working - always on? In trying this on the Wizard's craps simulator, the base bets are staying on, but the odds are off during come-out.
If you have an off-and-on come bet when you're in phase 2, do you replace the odds right then, or play it bare until some point? If you wait for something to replace those odds, what is it?
Do you leave winning bets up at some point? If so, just the base bet, or the odds too?
I'm getting a lot of rolls where it all works until I stop to put up 2x odds on the 4 points, then..immediate 7 out. lol. But still right about even after about 200 rolls. Low was down 273, High was up 435 (using $10 base bets). Just not sure I'm doing it right.
Thanks!
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
October 1st, 2015 at 9:42:19 AM
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how long of a wait?Quote: MathExtremistTime to dust off the "Four-Barrel Shotgun."
Four numbers covered won't happen all the time, so you'll be waiting a bit to get to phase 2.
Uhm,
many due not likes the waiting part while playing craps, imo.
in other words,
what is the probability that any shooter will have a hand that allows a "Four-Barrel Shotgun" to happen, making the odds bet on 4#s at one time?
and why not just a "Three-Barrel Shotgun"
is there not such an object?
feels to me, the probability is
way less than the probability of any shooter NOT passing the
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wow!
wow!
(the latest one and not any of the many earlier ones)
I see "Four-Barrel Shotgun." is in WinCraps too
so lucky
Sally
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October 1st, 2015 at 10:29:41 AM
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You can bet only the pass line. You quit when you loose three times in a row, otherwise keep playing.
October 1st, 2015 at 11:05:29 AM
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"I NEED..."Quote: AnonI need some newer and/ or better crap strategies then these examples and are mathematically sound!<snip>
hahaha
hahahahahaha
super funny!
my Angels went OVER 3 times in a row for me!
THAT is super funny too
cuz
i bet the OVER each time
and they look like they do not want to B in the playoffs!
hahahahaha
the "long run" = forever and not even God herself can play forever!Quote: AnonDisclaimer- I realize in the LONG RUN ALL SYSTEMS and or strategies will lose!!!
thank you for another super fun-funny line!
you ARE so cool!
hahahahaQuote: Anonplease give this question your best shot of answering!!!
so funnnnnny
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thank you for sharing
many will not see this as super funny
so they just lose out (as most are born losers, imo)
Sally
thank you!
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