Organic craps

I was close to Southland last night and stopped in to check it out. Southland is a greyhound track that has expanded to a full casino. They do not have real craps and roulette though, it's all done by machine. They have the organic bubble craps game. I sat down to play last night and noticed that there hadn't been a seven rolled in several rolls. I'm a don't player so I placed a don't bet and the point was made almost immediately. Looking through the history of the machine (it shows the last ten rolls) there had only been one seven out in the last ten rolls and that was nine rolls ago!! Nine straight points without a seven!!

If your not familiar with this machine let me briefly describe it. The dice set in a bubble on a vibrating pad. As the pad vibrates the dice bounce around to the different numbers. Then the pad bounces and "shoots" the dice. The dice bounce around in the glass and settle on a number. I've been assured several times in the past that this is totally random and that there is no way for the machine to determine the outcome.

I set through eight more points being made. I switch from the don't side to laying a few numbers and won a little money. According to the history of the machine and what I personally witnessed, there where 17 straight points without a seven!! In the middle of the next roll the machine freezes up. This would have been the 18th straight point. They call a tech over and he goes to one of the terminals and accesses the machine. The dice roll a seven!! Everyone loses their money.

I stopped the tech and ask him what happened and he said that he had to make the machine roll a seven to reset it!! After that there where four straight point seven outs. Also the seven rolled three consecutive times on the come out roll.

I've never really trusted these machines and I sure don't now. My last trip to GoldStrike they had removed there's completely.

I will say that southland was a whole lot busier on a Monday night than any Tunica casino was on a Thurs night my last trip out. That may have something to do with being the only casino around. The place was packed and I had to search for a parking spot, and finally found one at the back of the third lot I tried. Business seems to be booming at Southland.

A rigged multiplayer craps machine would be an AP's wet dream. Just bet the opposite and slightly less than what everyone else is betting.

But in reality, the game isn't rigged.

This place in Arkansas has quite a history - people used to come from Illinois, Indiana etc - a mini mecca

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Quote: Mikey75

Looking through the history of the machine

that way madness lies. The past does not matter.

Quote: Mikey75

They call a tech over and he goes to one of the terminals and accesses the machine. The dice roll a seven!! Everyone loses their money.

I stopped the tech and ask him what happened and he said that he had to make the machine roll a seven to reset it!!

I honestly think the guy was pulling your leg. If he could make it roll a seven, it would be top secret - the players would not be tipped off like that. Furthermore, the guy himself would be so wealthy by now that he would own half of Arkansas.

Quote: Mikey75

I've never really trusted these machines and I sure don't now.

I find them irritating, the ones I played on kept defaulting back to "odds not working" rightside and darkside both, for example. But if you think they are gaffed this is your big chance to cash in.

obviously he made it seven out, just like my blackjack dealer purposely dealt me a 16 and the roulette dealer purposely spun that 00.

if he "purposely" rolled the 7 to reset the machine and admitted it (not jokingly as it sounds from your story) don't you think that they would give everyone their wager back before making everyone lose? Cmon.. He was pulling your leg.. do you actually believe that the machine was biased against 7 and then they "fixed" to to now favor 7? You do realize that devices like these have to have their software tested and inspected many many times and they can't just open it up and hit the "lose" switch..

Quote: ajemeister

just like my blackjack dealer purposely dealt me a 16

You must come to my casino with all the whiners who play blackjack.

I totally get what all of you are saying. All I know is what I was told. I have always thought that the machine had the ability to control the numbers that the dice rolled and that it ran off of a rng. Anytime I questioned this I was always told that the machine had no control over what the dice did and that where they landed was truly random. I don't think it is gaffed. I do wonder if there was a program malfunction of some sort that caused it to roll so many points I a row.

The tech said he could call the gaming supervisor over and I could request the amount I lost when he rolled the seven back. I didn't bother with it for such a small amount. I ended up trying to make a $5 bet and it put $15 in the field and said no more bets before I could get it changed. The next number rolled was a 12 for triple pay. I cashed out and left after that.

Quote: Mikey75

I do wonder if there was a program malfunction of some sort that caused it to roll so many points I a row.
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Explain how it would do this? Do you think it's using some electromagnets or something?

The bubble craps get stuck often, usually the floor people come over and simply key it and it's good to go.

You should've called over the gaming supervisor. Not for the money, but to verify the other guys ridiculous claims.

If there was any truth to this you could sit around all day waiting for it to malfunction and make money.

Quote: Mikey75

I totally get what all of you are saying. All I know is what I was told. I have always thought that the machine had the ability to control the numbers that the dice rolled and that it ran off of a rng. Anytime I questioned this I was always told that the machine had no control over what the dice did and that where they landed was truly random. I don't think it is gaffed. I do wonder if there was a program malfunction of some sort that caused it to roll so many points I a row.

The tech said he could call the gaming supervisor over and I could request the amount I lost when he rolled the seven back. I didn't bother with it for such a small amount. I ended up trying to make a $5 bet and it put $15 in the field and said no more bets before I could get it changed. The next number rolled was a 12 for triple pay. I cashed out and left after that.

I talked about this roll a couple of days ago in my Bellagio report but I will post it again. I was playing organic craps at the Bellagio and was holding my own but not making any money. It was my turn to roll (push?) again and the machine got hot. I rolled for 1/2 Hr or more including a short pause for a reset when the dice were stacked. I didn't count the numbers rolled without a 7 but it was a lot more than the 10 or 11 you thought was high. I cashed out almost $1000 and 2 other players cashed for over a $1000. I feel I have lost and made money at bubble craps at the same frequency as a craps table.

Quote: AxelWolf

Explain how it would do this? Do you think it's using some electromagnets or something?

The bubble craps get stuck often, usually the floor people come over and simply key it and it's good to go.

You should've called over the gaming supervisor. Not for the money, but to verify the other guys ridiculous claims.

If there was any truth to this you could sit around all day waiting for it to malfunction and make money.

I have no idea how it would do that. I wished now I had of called a supervisor over. If it ever happens again I will for sure.