guitarmandp
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May 28th, 2015 at 10:42:42 PM permalink
I know there's no way to beat the casino so I'm not going to pretend like I'm an advantage player but It seems like I've been on a ton of tables where they go around and everybody makes the first point but can't make the second point.

So this is a strategy that I've never seen anybody try. You start with a passline bet, after the number is established you lay max odds. If they make the 1st point, you switch to the don'ts and lay max odds.

Again I'm not saying its a "winnable system", but it's a strategy that makes use of the odds and I've never seen anybody try it.
Zcore13
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May 28th, 2015 at 10:57:33 PM permalink
Quote: guitarmandp

I know there's no way to beat the casino so I'm not going to pretend like I'm an advantage player but It seems like I've been on a ton of tables where they go around and everybody makes the first point but can't make the second point.

So this is a strategy that I've never seen anybody try. You start with a passline bet, after the number is established you lay max odds. If they make the 1st point, you switch to the don'ts and lay max odds.

Again I'm not saying its a "winnable system", but it's a strategy that makes use of the odds and I've never seen anybody try it.



Unfortunately, it does not make use of any odds. If you are wagering that someone will not make 2 points before they start rolling, that's a better bet for you than if you were betting they won't make 1 point. But once a point has been made, the next point has the exact same odds of being made as the first one did.

You are not going to do any better with your "not a system" than just playing like everyone else.


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dicesitter
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May 29th, 2015 at 6:56:24 AM permalink
guitarmandp



People use that all the time, or they bet for if it looks good or they change and bet against if
it looks bad. When your just standing around it looks pretty good, but the problem is
you can get on the wrong side of that quick, and a couple of hands and your money is gone.

Other times you sit and play and everyone seems to get a 6 & 8 or 9 and 5 and after 6 rolls
everybody is out. Everyone says, well if we just took our bets down after 2 hits....

All that stuff makes sense just standing there, but the real problem is that every bet has
a HA so no matter what you do...........

BUT, If it makes sense to you try it but have a plan and stick to it. Once the pass line point is
set only about 41 out of a 100 make it, and only about 19% make a second point in the
same roll. But remember you cant chase a bad outcome.... if it is not working right away under
the table conditions quit, try again on a different table or another day.

I have an idea I am working on now for betting on others, but I will try it for a month or two
on my table to see if it has any value before I put money on it.

Dicesetter
betwthelines
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May 29th, 2015 at 3:37:59 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

...and only about 19% make a second point in the
same roll.


isnt that closer to 16% ? this is an honest question...i have no clue myself how to do the math...

it is not all that rare to see the dice pass around a busy table for HOURS when no shooter makes 2 points...since, as i tell them, "2 points are not allowed on this table", i sometimes jokingly advise some of my dont player friends to wait for a shooter to make one point and then bet a small amount on the dont pass and lay max odds...

a month or so ago i witnessed 37 straight shooters go out without making ONE point...that's right: a lay bettor would have WON 37 straight bets...

math help, please? thanks, tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974
guitarmandp
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May 30th, 2015 at 1:56:36 AM permalink
I would love to implement a strategy where you wait for a shooter to make one point, and then you bet heavy on the 2nd point. Problem is that I don't have the patience, and with my luck there would be another 37 consecutive shooters without a point and I would lose my patience and bet the don'ts on the 38th point.

I've also found that if you are on a super cold table where nobody can roll a number, unless it's a Friday or Saturday night, the table gets empty in a hurry, and you become the only shooter at the table, and that's when the law of averages starts to kick in.
spr1000
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June 1st, 2015 at 4:06:52 PM permalink
Not to be a stickler here but isn't the correct lingo while playing the pass line "taking the the odds" oppose to "laying the odds" A lay bet is when your playing the don't pass or betting against a number from my understanding.

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