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AtGame7
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July 6th, 2015 at 6:02:18 PM permalink
Quote: SanchoPanza

We do have some coy hints. But this would be a very good juncture to discuss that if it is more than 50 percent. If it isn't more than 50 percent, the lack of a clear response will speak out more loudly than necessary. A precise percentage wouldn't be necessary for me. Even a range would help.



Surely the investment in his own practice table, studying and thousands of practice rolls have enabled him to move the house edge by at least 4%, right? I mean even on the off days all that practice has to be worth at least half of that, no?

All that work, even on the off days has to be worth 2%, right? If so I will follow you to the end of the Earth to play just during your rolls. If not, then why are you wasting your time?
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July 7th, 2015 at 4:09:51 PM permalink


Doing the work part is, well, work.
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July 7th, 2015 at 5:12:29 PM permalink
Quote: Bohemian

MathExtremist, now I know why so many in the real world have trouble reasoning with you. You actually believe:

1. That we can put a man on the moon and balance a car's tire everyday but not a cube of plastic.

Shaking my head.




I have managed experimental research programs for the federal government on high speed rotating equipment (such as gas centrifuges and turbines.) A key factor in the lifetime and operability of such equipment is the spatial distribution of residual imbalnce in the "rotor" of the system. I paid researchers for many years to analyze manufacturing and handling techniques for minimizing the imbalance of manufactured parts. This is a very very hard problem for both metallic and plastic resin systems and there is ultimately no way to acheive zero imbalance.

We balance tires to within a specification - until its level of imbalance is below a certain maximum value - but a tire is certainly not "perfectly balanced."

Plastics are not homogeneous in their density - the density of a solid plastic object will vary from point to point. For instance, when manufacturing a cubic "die", different parts of the die will be at slightly different temperatures and cool faster than the center of the die, thus affecting the local void fraction (or porosity) of the finished product -which means there are density and mass imbalances in the finished die. The real question is -are the levels of residual imbalance in the final manufactured die big enough to make a difference in the statistical outcome when the die is rolled. I have no idea -but this seems to me to be a legitimate question.
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MathExtremist
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July 7th, 2015 at 6:47:15 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I have managed experimental research programs for the federal government on high speed rotating equipment (such as gas centrifuges and turbines.) A key factor in the lifetime and operability of such equipment is the spatial distribution of residual imbalnce in the "rotor" of the system. I paid researchers for many years to analyze manufacturing and handling techniques for minimizing the imbalance of manufactured parts. This is a very very hard problem for both metallic and plastic resin systems and there is ultimately no way to acheive zero imbalance.

We balance tires to within a specification - until its level of imbalance is below a certain maximum value - but a tire is certainly not "perfectly balanced."

Plastics are not homogeneous in their density - the density of a solid plastic object will vary from point to point. For instance, when manufacturing a cubic "die", different parts of the die will be at slightly different temperatures and cool faster than the center of the die, thus affecting the local void fraction (or porosity) of the finished product -which means there are density and mass imbalances in the finished die. The real question is -are the levels of residual imbalance in the final manufactured die big enough to make a difference in the statistical outcome when the die is rolled. I have no idea -but this seems to me to be a legitimate question.


I'm pretty confident that a pair of drugstore or tabletop game dice thrown 1080 times on a regulation craps table would exhibit a distribution that is statistically indistinguishable from uniform face probabilities. And those drugstore dice are significantly more unbalanced than any precision casino dice should be (at least, those intended to be fair) because the pips are drilled and painted rather than drilled and filled with equal-density plastic.

Who wants to throw those on a craps table 1080 times, switching dice every 3-4 rolls? That should take just a few hours to record if all you're doing is tossing them against the back wall. 1080 rolls is equivalent to 135 rolls per hour over an 8 hour shift, the lifetime of a stick of precision dice and about the game speed at a half-full table (Kilby et al., "Casino Operations Management", p. 251). I submit any bias is practically undetectable if you can't distinguish it over 1080 rolls.
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dicesitter
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July 15th, 2015 at 8:26:53 AM permalink
Math


brush your teeth for just a few hours and tell me you are brushing them exactly the same way at the end as
you did at the beginning.

You don't have a clue how this stuff works.

dicesetter
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July 15th, 2015 at 8:47:05 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

brush your teeth for just a few hours and tell me you are brushing them exactly the same way at the end as
you did at the beginning.

You don't have a clue how this stuff works.



This has officially become inane.
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Ibeatyouraces
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July 15th, 2015 at 8:55:14 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Math


brush your teeth for just a few hours and tell me you are brushing them exactly the same way at the end as
you did at the beginning.

You don't have a clue how this stuff works.

dicesetter


And the fact that you're on here arguing it day in and day out tells me that you do have a clue either!
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July 15th, 2015 at 9:03:54 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Math


brush your teeth for just a few hours and tell me you are brushing them exactly the same way at the end as
you did at the beginning.

You don't have a clue how this stuff works.

dicesetter



Wow!
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July 15th, 2015 at 9:11:05 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

This has officially become inane.

Oh, I think that train left the station 60-something pages ago!

And as far as brushing my teeth for a few hours, I certainly have no clue how that works, but it sounds unpleasant.
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MathExtremist
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July 15th, 2015 at 9:43:53 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Math


brush your teeth for just a few hours and tell me you are brushing them exactly the same way at the end as
you did at the beginning.

You don't have a clue how this stuff works.

dicesetter


I certainly don't have a clue how your mind works. Not in a million years would I have ever thought to include oral hygiene in a discussion about throwing dice.

But I can work with it. How about a dice-throwing challenge? Spend two hours throwing the dice using your practiced technique, then another two hours throwing the dice while brushing your teeth. I bet the results from both sessions will be statistically indistinguishable.
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