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AxelWolf
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July 1st, 2015 at 1:20:29 PM permalink
Quote: mustangsally

wow!
you can not be talking about a type of bed (or you could be)

i say
do
never
let an over 50 type get under your skin

laugh it off and have fun with it
hehe

i B a little shy here...

where did you learn that word?
B U N K

Grateful Dead
maybe (they are in the news here in CA)

Not sure where he or anyone learns anything however I believe I have used it a few times on the forum, so have others. Probably some kind of slang. Its the perfect word for betting systems.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MathExtremist
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July 1st, 2015 at 2:55:39 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Mathextremist


Thank you,

Some one finally admitted that what ever influence a person has can vary....that
is a good start.

No, I said *if* you have any influence at all, of course it will vary. If you don't have any biasing influence, that lack of influence will not vary. It just remains at "none," as in "you have no ability to influence the dice on any roll at all."

The expected distribution of dice results is widely variable under both unbiased randomness and under your alleged varying levels of influence. You've already told us that you can't rule out luck, so I can conclude that either (a) you don't have any skill whatsoever and are simply experiencing the natural variance in unbiased random results, or (b) you may have some level of biasing influence but it's not enough overall to distinguish your results from what would be expected from anyone else.

In short, if you can't tell the difference between skill and luck, it's luck. If you had enough skill, you'd know it and it would be quantifiable.

The experiment I suggested earlier would enable you to test this distinction. If you were to throw 1080 throws with a constant set and throwing with as consistent technique as you can muster, and for each roll record the start and end upward face of each die individually, plus the start and end forward face, you would have enough data to answer the question "are my dice throws that start with similar conditions consistent with the distribution of equally-likely die faces or can I reject that hypothesis?"
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
dicesitter
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July 1st, 2015 at 5:38:47 PM permalink
Math

Again you are not being accurate with what I said...

I did not say I thought it was all luck, I said luck helps particularly on long rolls.

I offered to compare my rolls with your rolls, I offered to compare my rolls with Ahigh's rolls
I offered to suggest doing so and then changing sets to see if there is a different reaction to the
new in sets in my rolls and the rolls of others.

You keep saying if I do have some level of influence it would not be enough to differ from anyone
else...... but then you wont allow anyone else to roll to compare to mine.

Just a matter of course, when practice I indicate the X Y Z axis start and finish. I isolate certain
numbers on the z axis and then record where they end up in the final up position of the dice which is
the X axis... The point of all this is because if you can get one of the isolated numbers on the Z
access to end up on the X axis, you then can play with the set and move the starting location of
the other isolated number to get certain others number more often than you should.


I am willing to work with any one to see what happens, but I wont be the only one doing all the
work.

dicesetter
MathExtremist
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July 1st, 2015 at 6:53:54 PM permalink
Quantify. How many rolls? What is your observed probability that a face that starts on the Z axis comes to rest on the X, Y, and Z axis, respectively? Is it something other than 1/3 for each?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
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July 1st, 2015 at 7:52:33 PM permalink
Now see that is a good question




dicesetter
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July 1st, 2015 at 9:16:29 PM permalink
Math


I have a fishing tournament this weekend so I have to leave early tomorrow so I did
a brief two set sample. 25 rolls each sample.

first set isolated 1/6/6/1 on z axis

numbers 1-4, 1-5.5-3,1-2.1-3,1x5,6-6,2-3,4-5,5-5,1-4,1-6,1-4,1-5,6-3,1-4.4-6,6-5,3-3,2-4,6-3,2-6,6-2,4-2,6-3

37.5 % of the time 1-6/6-1 ended up on the x axis 5x2 up 6 times and 3/4 only 4 times


second set.. isolated the 2/5 5/2 on the z axis

numbers 2-6,1-1,5-1,5-5,2-3,5-4,1-5,2-3,6-6,1-2,2-5,5-4,3-3,6-3,5-5,2-1,6-4,4-4,5-6,4-6,5-5,5-6,2-1,6-3,5-1

37.5% of the time the 5/2 2/5 moved to the x axis,,, 6/1 8 times and 3/4 2 times.

dicesetter
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July 2nd, 2015 at 6:41:29 AM permalink
So much work, that AP craps gig, IF IT EVEN EXISTS AT ALL.

If only you could get a large player advantage of a truly large denomination bet that was known and proven to actually work without having to be able to perform mathematical proofs as well as a PhD math student.
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MathExtremist
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July 2nd, 2015 at 9:25:06 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

I have a fishing tournament this weekend so I have to leave early tomorrow so I did
a brief two set sample. 25 rolls each sample.


I'm not interested in a brief two set sample. I'm interested in your quantitative analysis of the past seven years' of your data and why you believe it indicates you have a degree of influence that cannot be attributed to mere luck.

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first set isolated 1/6/6/1 on z axis


I assume by "Z axis" you mean that you are holding the dice side-by-side and the Z axis is the axis that runs through both dice, parallel to the table, and perpendicular to the direction of the throw. In other words, the axis on which the dice rotate if you throw them with a little backspin.

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37.5 % of the time 1-6/6-1 ended up on the x axis 5x2 up 6 times and 3/4 only 4 times


If X axis is the upward face of the dice when they come to rest, then it seems that your theory of dice influence is that the numbers you place on the Z axis will somehow turn face-up at the end of the roll. Is that it? Because that's entirely antithetical to the most common theory that you want to depress the frequency of axial numbers. In your case, you seem to suggest that you can take the numbers on the axis of rotation and increase their frequency of appearing face-up at the end of the roll. If you can do this, it would be a significantly stronger means of influencing the overall distribution than the common theory.

However, your math is incorrect. There is no integer number of rolls that is 37.5% of 25 rolls. I'm not sure exactly how you're counting here but you haven't done that part right.

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second set.. isolated the 2/5 5/2 on the z axis


There is no need to do this. If you have the ability to make the die faces on the sides end up on the top, it doesn't matter what faces you put on the sides (unless you believe the dice are biased).

Anyway, the next step for you is to go back through your historical data and compute the observed probability of the faces on the Z axis ending on the X, Y, Z axis. Not new data, at least not unless you're going to provide a statistically significant sample. 50 rolls isn't it.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
dicesitter
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July 2nd, 2015 at 9:49:17 AM permalink
Math


Just heading for the water.


just one comment for you.........go to H........

go find another lap dog.


dicesetter


wonder how many days I get off for that

I understand what 15 of 25 is, I figured if I put 40% in there
you would just accuse me of getting the exact number you said would
be relevant.
thecesspit
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July 2nd, 2015 at 10:02:57 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Math


Just heading for the water.


just one comment for you.........go to H........

go find another lap dog.


dicesetter


wonder how many days I get off for that

I understand what 15 of 25 is, I figured if I put 40% in there
you would just accuse me of getting the exact number you said would
be relevant.



Just to bring it back for old times sake - {facepalm}

"I can do Math, but I choose to do it wrong in case I get accused of being right?" What a complete joke of a response. MathE -> I'd just stop bothering if I were you, you can go to a Cirque show if you want to see unfunny clowns.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829

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