Don't Come

My question is concerning the DONT COME. If for example, the point is 5 and you have 2 DC's working for you.....let say the 8 & 9. What happens to those 8 & 9 DC's, if the point (5) is rolled. Can they be taken down before the next come out roll?

Quote: otbspill

My question is concerning the DONT COME. If for example, the point is 5 and you have 2 DC's working for you.....let say the 8 & 9. What happens to those 8 & 9 DC's, if the point (5) is rolled. Can they be taken down before the next come out roll?

Don't come bets behind the line can be taken down any time. Although only a personal emergency would seem to be a reason to retrieve a don't come bet when you already have such a strong advantage.

another nice question

Quote: otbspill

for example, the point is 5 and you have 2 DC's working for you.....let say the 8 & 9.

like this

wincraps pro shows DC bets in a different position than where a real casino places them, even bubble craps gets that right
wincraps classic is even worse as it is places dc bets that have traveled in the point box

cant win them all!

Quote: otbspill

What happens to those 8 & 9 DC's, if the point (5) is rolled.

what do you think?
i say nothing happens to them
they wait for the next roll to win, lose, or push

Quote: otbspill

Can they be taken down before the next come out roll?

dc bets that have a point (that are behind the point box)
can be removed any time but not placed back up, they must get behind a # from the dc box
unless there is cheating going on

so remove your dc bet or bets if you think (feel) they are going to lose
that will make you a winner!
Sally

Yeah, the house has the advantage on the opening of the don't come, since a 7 or 11 is more likely than a 2 or 3. But once you get a number, you have the advantage.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Although only a personal emergency would seem to be a reason to retrieve a don't come bet when you already have such a strong advantage.

most experienced dc players do not even let a dc go to a 6 or 8
they do not care about their advantage
many have lost 5,6 or more in a row with that advantage

aint fun having the advantage and losing many bets in a row
that is what they say, i never have and will make a dc bet

just what it is
play to win and have fun!
Sally

Ok then.....DC's can be taken down anytime. My main concern, after a point is made, if you can't take down, you then would be exposed to the dreaded 7 again on the come out roll. I was questioning this, because if you were playing the COME instead, and had 8 & 9, and the point was 5. You are not allowed to take down the 8 & 9, after the point (5) was made. You then would be exposed to the 7 on the next roll which would be the comeout roll. Do I understand that correctly?

Quote: mustangsally

most experienced dc players do not even let a dc go to a 6 or 8
they do not care about their advantage
many have lost 5,6 or more in a row with that advantage...
Sally

Please do not follow this advice unless you truly don't care about your money. If you want to play the game with some mathematical understanding then you should ALWAYS let your DC travel to the number, regardless of what number it is. As stated prior your DC bet is subject to the 7 or 11, but after it travels to ANY number the most likely number, 7, now makes it a winner. You're literally taking money out of your own pocket if you say "no action" or take your DC bets down.

Of course people point out "omg I had an advantage and lost 5-6 times in a row!"... Well according to the math that can absolutely happen, but guess what, you WILL win more than you will lose once on the number. So if you lose 5 in a row, then I'd be willing to make a wager that at some point in the long run you win 6 in a row (especially considering those are your odds on 6 & 8... 6 to 5).

In the short run of a session you can lose 10 in a row from a great bet, you can win 10 in a row from some terrible bet, etc. What matters most is if you're going to play the game throughout your life you're then subjecting yourself to "the long run" in which your crappy bets WILL eventually lose you money and your good bets WILL eventually make your money (although don't get this confused with actual winning... If you're playing a negative expected value game then you're going to lose in the long run). The idea though is if your EV over 1,000 hours is -$10,000... if you play poorly (like taking no action on your 6 & 8) then you will be playing at a higher house advantage and thus lose more, so your EV over 1,000 hours will be more like -$12,000 or whatever the actual numbers are. I'm simply showing you that it does matter if you pull your DC bets from 6 & 8.

1) ALWAYS let your DC bets travel to the numbers.
2) NEVER take your DC bets down once they've traveled to a number.

While these are my suggestions, they are also mathematical facts for the best possible outcome you could see.

Quote: otbspill

Ok then.....DC's can be taken down anytime.

Don't do this

Quote: otbspill

My main concern, after a point is made, if you can't take down, you then would be exposed to the dreaded 7 again on the come out roll.

If you're playing the DC and the shooter is on their come out roll, your DC's WIN on a "come out 7." The only time your DC is in trouble of a 7 is on ITS "come out" roll (the first roll after you place the DC bet). After your DC travels to a number ANY 7 after that wins your DC.

Quote: otbspill

I was questioning this, because if you were playing the COME instead, and had 8 & 9, and the point was 5. You are not allowed to take down the 8 & 9, after the point (5) was made. You then would be exposed to the 7 on the next roll which would be the comeout roll. Do I understand that correctly?

When playing the COME you're betting against the most likely number, 7. The house advantage is in the fact that they will win more times than they lose in the long run. Why do you think they won't let you take this bet down, but they will let you take your DC bet down after a point has been established??? This should be fairly obvious. They let you take the DC down after establishing a point because at that time you're the favorite (ON ANY NUMBER). They won't let you take your COME bet down because at that point they're the favorite (ON ANY NUMBER).

Quote: mustangsally

most experienced dc players do not even let a dc go to a 6 or 8
they do not care about their advantage
many have lost 5,6 or more in a row with that advantage

aint fun having the advantage and losing many bets in a row

you know, she is right. "that is what they say". The dealers and many players.

Sally thinks it is funny and wants the readers here [who she knows are 99% males] to continue to lose their money. And she is right, if a player is that stupid*, they'll never have any money and might as well lose it to the casino asap.

Hey Sally, I said you were right about something!

*A player should not have to have this explained

Quote: Romes

When playing the COME you're betting against the most likely number, 7.

start over with this
are you trying to confuse the OP, in me opinion

your statement gets an "F" for fail ( i am mean, the average that is)

the COME bet wins on a 7 (and 11) and most specifically ONLY on the 7 out (not the 7 winner)
(look at the pics i made)

as one, by rules, does not make a COME bet on the COME OUT ROLL

a Lay bet wins on any 7
Mully

Quote: odiousgambit

Sally thinks it is funny and wants the readers here [who she knows are 99% males] to continue to lose their money.

only their money they gamble with

and i spare no one

i want all gamblers to lose their gambling money every session played, except me
but i know the math says something else

even trying to bet to lose all money is useless

but still it makes me very very happy to wish

Quote: odiousgambit

Hey Sally, I said you were right about something!

i like that song

except knowing George was not truthful
"Somewhere in her smile she knows
That I don't need no other lover"

He had other lovers, right Ringo!

but it WAS the 60s
Right Elvis!

Sally

Quote: mustangsally

...the COME bet wins on a 7 (and 11) and most specifically ONLY on the 7 out (not the 7 winner)
(look at the pics i made)
Mully

I was quite contextually referring to after a point had been established for the come bet (as I was also referring to the DC bet).

Quote: mustangsally

most experienced dc players do not even let a dc go to a 6 or 8 they do not care about their advantage many have lost 5,6 or more in a row with that advantage

I, based on decades of going behind the line, and virtually all don't players I've encountered or read about would say otherwise.

Quote: SanchoPanza

I, based on decades of going behind the line, and virtually all don't players I've encountered or read about would say otherwise.

thank you for you opinion
buts...

having read the book

How to Play and Win at Craps
as told by a Las Vegas crap dealer
by Dale S. Yeazel

"I have been dealing and supervising “crap games” for thirty-two years.
Most of that time has been in downtown Las Vegas and on the “Strip.” "

Dale passed away a few years ago and no one took over his website or ebooks
too bad
seems like a real nice guy
i thinks last worked at Main Street Station Downtown Vegas

page 9-10 says this
"Don't come bets can be reduced or removed at any time by merely telling the dealer.
In fact,
it is common for don't come bettors to say; “no action” when a six or eight is
rolled (the easiest point numbers to be rolled) and the dealer will merely leave their
don't come bets on the don't come box, for the next roll."

I see this a lot and I am only 25 and at times wears eye glasses
sexy
Sally

If you lay odds after a don't come number is established....

are the odds working on the shooters come out roll?

Example for those confused...

You bet the don't come for $100.usd.

The dice are thrown, and a ten appears.

The dealer moves your $100.usd chip to the don't come position(wherever that may be) at/in/near/behind the ten box.

You lay $400.usd on the felt and tell the dealer "please use this, laying odds against with that don't come ten of mine, thank you".

So you now have a $100.usd don't come with the point of ten established, and have laid $400.usd to win an additional $200.usd.

The shooter then makes his point.(not a ten, any other number)

On the following roll, the shooter is coming out as they say. Are your odds of $400.usd laid on the ten working?

they are always working unless you take them down.

Quote: mustangsally

"Don't come bets can be reduced or removed at any time by merely telling the dealer.
In fact,
it is common for don't come bettors to say; “no action” when a six or eight is
rolled (the easiest point numbers to be rolled) and the dealer will merely leave their
don't come bets on the don't come box, for the next roll."

It might be worth asking(rather than saying it's true) that if you reduce or remove your don't come wager, it can't be put back in place? This as opposed to saying "no action this roll". I didn't know you could say "no action" with a continuing status until you call said wager back in action? Sally, you may be confusing some male members because when they see a woman's name their immediate thought process changes to one of "can I get away with it?" instead of what's going on in real life at the table itself. I'm well beyond that myself.

Quote: ontariodealer

they are always working unless you take them down.

Is that true of odds on the don't pass as well?(always working unless taken down, even on the shooters come out roll) Also, please clarify if taking them down is different than calling them off.(just trying to catch up on current table lingo) Kind regards and thanks.

you can say no action as long as you want because this is to your disadvantage.....if your dc travels behind a number and you take it back, you cannot replace it, you have to go thru the dc again.

Quote: ontariodealer

you can say no action as long as you want because this is to your disadvantage.....if your dc travels behind a number and you take it back, you cannot replace it, you have to go thru the dc again.

I was trying to nail down the time aspect. Do you have to say it every roll or is there a button put on said don't come bet/odds? until you ask for it to be removed(back in action)?

you have 10 bucks in the dc and a 8 rolls, you say no action It stays in the dc......if you say nothing it goes behind the 8.....you can now lay odds behind it and take it down when ever you like. Once you take it down, that play is over for you.

you can never call a dc bet or the odds behind it off, it either works or it comes down.

Quote: ontariodealer

you can never call a dc bet or the odds behind it off, it either works or it comes down.

Okay, great. That answers it all except one thing....is this(above) also true of the don't pass?

yes, the only difference is the don't pass you handle yourself, the dc goes thru the dealer.