Frank Scoblete has a new Craps Book
I am a Dice Controller
Behind the scene in the dice control world. Sounds good. I hope to read it by this weekend
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PS sorry for typo in heading.... Apparently I can not edit a heading
Quote: amazon blurb for bookSad to say, I have also met talented dice controllers whose character and morality left a lot to be desired. In fact, I found myself robbed and cheated by a dice controller I considered a close friend, a betrayal I still haven't gotten over.
PS: what does ....".......................... mean?
1. An interesting fictional story written for a limited audience; or
2. A true story with no characters or words.
ZCore13
huh?Quote: ScanGambling Author Frank Scoblete has a new book.
I am a Dice Controller
please move this content (thread) to the dice setting forum
where it obviously belongs
Mully
huh what?Quote: odiousgambitPS:<snip>
sure
thank you
Mully
Quote: ScanGambling Author Frank Scoblete has a new book.
I am a Dice Controller
A fresh pile of steaming feces!
Quote:Behind the scene in the dice control world.
What "scene?"
What "dice control world?"
Wow, sounds spicy, even a bit naughty.
Like Pamela Des barres "I'm With the Band:" but with dice instead of KY jelly.
Quote: EvenBobI thought we all agreed that dice control is a scam.
What he said!
Quote: EvenBobI thought we all agreed that dice control is a scam.
It's the selling of books and seminars explaining it as real which are participation in a scam. Dice control such as throwing the dice so high and hard off the table certainly is not a scam. It's quite rude and even dangerous in some instances. The scam aspects begin when you indicate you can "set" said dice and impact the outcome (top numbers) based upon a certain toss and landing posture you control. It's for as I said prior, for the naive and basically ignorant of which unfortunately there are a few around.
But not roulette systems?Quote: EvenBobI thought we all agreed that dice control is a scam.
Quote: AxelWolfBut not roulette systems?
Why, you got one? Keep it to yourself,
you saw what happened to B79..
B79 WHO?Quote: EvenBobWhy, you got one? Keep it to yourself,
you saw what happened to B79..
Quote: AxelWolfB79 WHO?
Exactly. The guy who you have a bet with.
Supposedly.Quote: EvenBobExactly. The guy who you have a bet with.
80% chance I'm meeting up with Max tomorrow and cementing our side.
Quote: EvenBobI thought we all agreed that dice control is a scam.
I think the enthusiasm for the book's subject is a bit tongue-in-cheek
Frank is a passable author though. I could see reading it - probably won't
Quote: EvenBobWhy, you got one? Keep it to yourself,
you saw what happened to B79..
Don't you make money at roulette? How do you do it? What is your method?
B79 said he didn't win all the time, but no one let that bother them in their attacks. How come some get away with it and some don't? There are a lot of stories here that don't jive...
Anyway, Frank is a prolific writer. I've not seen DI/DC work. The challenge is out there to prove it, but no one steps up to the plate. If you compare it to Blackjack, where casinos actually seek out ways to find and eliminate counters, you'd see that casinos aren't too scared of DI/DC--some folks make haphazard efforts to stop it but the casinos have no real methods to prevent it because it doesn't harm them. If it did, they'd attempt to get rid of it.
Study cice effluencing.Quote: djatcI've always wanted to know how to play draps
Quote: DiceSteve44I hope Frank does well with this book. Maybe we should read it before we comment.
You can check out the Amazon "review" There is nothing new under the Sun. Solomon was right. And P.T. Barnum was also correct. Every minute.
Quote: DeMangoYou can check out the Amazon "review" There is nothing new under the Sun. Solomon was right. And P.T. Barnum was also correct. Every minute.
Quote: amazon pageBe the first to review this item
So all we are seeing is some blurb by the publisher so far
I know Frank and he has always been very open and honest in my dealings with him.
And he is an excellent shot with the dice. That does not mean he wins all the time, in fact
Frank has and admits to some terrible losing periods.
The abuse he has taken on these pages is more of a very bad reflection on the character of
those insulting than on his books etc.
Personally I don't know anything about the Captain or anything else like that, and I don't care. I can
take it or I can leave it without an insult.
This forum has entirely to many immature people that cant stand the very thought of a dice player
doing something they cant or wont, that their first impulse is to insult.
What some one else says, sells or preaches has no affect on you and me, we don't have to believe
we certainly don't have to take a class or buy a book, We can simply say, fine, but that is not for me and move on.
But some on here cant do that, they seem to make themselves feel better by insulting some one else.
It is easy to insult some one else when you don't have the guts to place yourself front and center and
actually do something, or at least try .
Look at the names on this board,,,, what has any of them ever done, ever tried, where are the books they
have written...... sorry I don't see them
Dicesetter
So the same as evryone elses shot. Random but he makes it look good.Quote: dicesitterI do to
.
And he is an excellent shot with the dice.
I agree we don't need to be insulting, but at the same time without some hard numbers and data, it's easier to believe it can't be done. We know of blackjack players playing 20+ hours a week, but where are the craps players doing the same?
Quote: dicesitterI do to
I know Frank and he has always been very open and honest in my dealings with him.
And he is an excellent shot with the dice. That does not mean he wins all the time, in fact
Frank has and admits to some terrible losing periods.
The abuse he has taken on these pages is more of a very bad reflection on the character of
those insulting than on his books etc.
Personally I don't know anything about the Captain or anything else like that, and I don't care. I can
take it or I can leave it without an insult.
This forum has entirely to many immature people that cant stand the very thought of a dice player
doing something they cant or wont, that their first impulse is to insult.
What some one else says, sells or preaches has no affect on you and me, we don't have to believe
we certainly don't have to take a class or buy a book, We can simply say, fine, but that is not for me and move on.
But some on here cant do that, they seem to make themselves feel better by insulting some one else.
It is easy to insult some one else when you don't have the guts to place yourself front and center and
actually do something, or at least try .
Look at the names on this board,,,, what has any of them ever done, ever tried, where are the books they
have written...... sorry I don't see them
Dicesetter
You make some very good points. For those not aware, Frank is a member of this forum. Perhaps knowing that will save a future poster a suspension. What was it again? Attack the idea and not the person?
sadly the multitude of great craps players on this board are confused and continue to stay that way
on purpose. They cant now and I suspect will never see a difference between influence of the shooter
and dice control, which by its name suggests the shooter can control the out come.
There are many people in the country that have worked hard enough to influence the dice out comes, I have
shown it on this board, and I don't even come close to the abilities of the good players. By influence I mean
throwing a certain set gives you a variety of outcomes different than other sets... that is influence not control.
Control would suggest I am going to bet on the 8 and so I am going to throw one, this shot next shot etc.. I cant
do that and I don't think anyone else can consistently....
My contention is that where dice control or influence fall short is that you to need to control the 7, and I have not
seen a way to do that. So just like any random roller, betting gets to be a problem. If you want to make a good
deal of money you need to bet larger, and the short rolls kill you, even if the numbers you hit are not all random.
Surrender88s I play and practice 20-30 hours a week,,, and you better believe there are a great many times
I find it easier to believe it does not work, so I understand your comment
dicesetter
Quote: dicesittersurrender88's
sadly the multitude of great craps players on this board are confused and continue to stay that way
on purpose. They cant now and I suspect will never see a difference between influence of the shooter
and dice control, which by its name suggests the shooter can control the out come.
There are many people in the country that have worked hard enough to influence the dice out comes, I have
shown it on this board, and I don't even come close to the abilities of the good players. By influence I mean
throwing a certain set gives you a variety of outcomes different than other sets... that is influence not control.
Control would suggest I am going to bet on the 8 and so I am going to throw one, this shot next shot etc.. I cant
do that and I don't think anyone else can consistently....
My contention is that where dice control or influence fall short is that you to need to control the 7, and I have not
seen a way to do that. So just like any random roller, betting gets to be a problem. If you want to make a good
deal of money you need to bet larger, and the short rolls kill you, even if the numbers you hit are not all random.
Surrender88s I play and practice 20-30 hours a week,,, and you better believe there are a great many times
I find it easier to believe it does not work, so I understand your comment
dicesetter
You have never shown anything of the sort to this board. You don't influence anything and neither does anyone else shooting a legal shot. There is no difference between dice control, dice influence or dice magic. Call it what you want, it doesn't exist in the casino craps world.
ZCore13
Quote: surrender88sI am curious about dice setting. The premise is simple enough, and I would not be surprised if after hundreds of hours of practice, one could get a 1% edge on the house. But I just haven't seen that happen yet. All you'd need is a method that gets a significantly different rate of 7s. We know the level of skill that darts players, archers, bowlers, etc have- it would be very interesting to see people with similar dexterity and coordination attempt to win at craps.
I agree we don't need to be insulting, but at the same time without some hard numbers and data, it's easier to believe it can't be done. We know of blackjack players playing 20+ hours a week, but where are the craps players doing the same?
I personally am open to the idea of someone being able to control the dice, the game of craps is such where I just don't need to see a decrease in the amount of sevens as there are rolls in which a seven is a good thing, such as a come out roll. For me to believe a person is able to control the dice I would need to see the shooter be able to do these things over time.
1) Increase the % of 7's on the come out roll
2) Decrease the % of 7's once a point has been established and
3) Be able to do both of these from multiple positions on the craps table and on tables of different lengths as you seldom walk up to an empty craps table and not all craps tables are the same size
Quote: dicesitterMy contention is that where dice control or influence fall short is that you to need to control the 7, and I have not
seen a way to do that. So just like any random roller, betting gets to be a problem. If you want to make a good
deal of money you need to bet larger, and the short rolls kill you, even if the numbers you hit are not all random.
If you don't influence the number of 7's and you don't influence the other numbers, what is it exactly that you are influencing?
There is a scientific way to proof influence or control to the mathletes; no one has done it.
I have read Franks' books and enjoy them but I am skeptical of some of the things I have read.
how long have you been playing that many Hrs? How much are you up what's your over all hourly? Is this your main source of income?Quote: dicesittersurrender88's
sadly the multitude of great craps players on this board are confused and continue to stay that way
on purpose. They cant now and I suspect will never see a difference between influence of the shooter
and dice control, which by its name suggests the shooter can control the out come.
There are many people in the country that have worked hard enough to influence the dice out comes, I have
shown it on this board, and I don't even come close to the abilities of the good players. By influence I mean
throwing a certain set gives you a variety of outcomes different than other sets... that is influence not control.
Control would suggest I am going to bet on the 8 and so I am going to throw one, this shot next shot etc.. I cant
do that and I don't think anyone else can consistently....
My contention is that where dice control or influence fall short is that you to need to control the 7, and I have not
seen a way to do that. So just like any random roller, betting gets to be a problem. If you want to make a good
deal of money you need to bet larger, and the short rolls kill you, even if the numbers you hit are not all random.
Surrender88s I play and practice 20-30 hours a week,,, and you better believe there are a great many times
I find it easier to believe it does not work, so I understand your comment
dicesetter
Again... there is a vast difference in dice influence and dice control where you can beat the
casino when ever you want.....does not happen
Here is an example of what happens when you change sets which is an axis change...
9,9,6,8,7(3-4)
6,10,9,8,8,7(3-4)
change set
5,7(6-1)10,8,7 (6-1) 4 7 (6-1)
6,9,7 (6-1) 5,5,6
change back to original set
9,2,2,9,7 (3-4) 10
10,12,10,9,10,4
change set
5,6,3,5,8,3
8,7(6-1) 8 6 7(5-2) 5
this is an example of changes and norms for different sets where the dice
start and where the finish is changed by starting set
first set.....11 or 24 numbers over 8
second set 2 of 24 numbers over 8
first set ... all sevens are 3/4 4/3
second set 5 of 6 7/s are 6/1 1/6
It is easy to show influence over the dice with set and axis changes... but as this shows and it would not show
any different for a larger sample.........
you cant find any other reason for the difference in variety of outcomes as you change sets other than influence
dicesetter
I have thousands of hour of practice
How long have you been playing, how much practice time do you have in, how many classes
have you taken, how many of the real players in the country have you played with??????
Axel Maybe its time you answer a few questions before you insult or question others????
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterMy contention is that where dice control or influence fall short is that you to need to control the 7, and I have not
seen a way to do that. So just like any random roller, betting gets to be a problem. If you want to make a good
deal of money you need to bet larger, and the short rolls kill you, even if the numbers you hit are not all random.
Bunkum and nonsense.
If you can change the random profile of the two dices, even if 7 remains 1 in 6, you can change the odds of the game. If the change is enough (and it would have to be to be able to know it exists with any certainty) you can place bets with a favourable edge.
I don't need to have thrown the bones for 1000 hours to know that either.
thank you
dicesetter
Quote: dicesitterExactly, you have no experience in practice to show you what happens with the "two dices"
thank you
dicesetter
Prattle and hookum. I don't need to spend 1000's of hours to know that if I can throw certain numbers more often than chance, I got an advantage.
You can spend your hours practicing for no effect then, and live a wasted life.
Im not insulting you, I was asking a legitimate common question.Quote: dicesitterI have been playing for over 40 years.....
I have thousands of hour of practice
How long have you been playing, how much practice time do you have in, how many classes
have you taken, how many of the real players in the country have you played with??????
Axel Maybe its time you answer a few questions before you insult or question others????
dicesetter
I may may insult DI. I may poke fun but it's not personal.
40 YEARS of craps or DI ? When did you start using sets and believe you could gain an edge?
Of course those are some basic standard questions involving common metrics of results that anyone who plays a game because they think they have an edge at it is always keeping meticulous records to answer for themselves. "What is your hourly at 'x/y' & over what time frame" is just about the most common thread in serious poker discussion boards, for example. At least there, it is not posed as a challenge to someone, it is a common attempt to elicit information about realistic expectations of a given game & structure from the range of responses.Quote: AxelWolfhow long have you been playing that many Hrs? How much are you up what's your over all hourly? Is this your main source of income?
Even many recreational players who are just somewhat more serious than average about their hobby keep those kinds of records, to keep score, to know how they do & when & where & under what circumstances, to help them do better. The nature of the fundamental metric may change depending on what is a sensible measurement for the game, such as becoming ROI rather than an hourly rate, but in some form this is what people who are at least somewhat serious about their skill at something routinely do - unless, they don't really want to know... Then, they may feel threatened by it, and feel anger from that.
Now I can certainly understand someone not wanting to be very revealing in public web forums for many very sound reasons. But, here's a thought to consider privately to oneself: When one chooses not to know by not keeping such records, it is because at some level that person kinda DOES really know, and doesn't want to face it, even quietly to themselves. That face of reality appearing & stubbornly staring back at them.
of course it is personal you and others like you pull that crap to anyone that's thinks differently.
I am 66 and have been playing since I was about 26 or so.
Five years ago after I cut back on my work load I got a craps table and started with different
types of rolls and betting. About 41/2 years I ago I took several classes on the throw and
was lucky enough to have help from some of the better players in the country. About 2
years ago I ran into some other players that work with the dice and what they do and
different sets do. So in time I have combined both the different types of rolls and different sets.
If your an active player you can lose a fairly good amount of money as you try different things
until you find something that will work, so this constant nonsense of asking is a person is a lifetime
winner is just that, nonsense.
There is no question I can influence the dice as many others can, however extending influence into
profit is not as easy you make it out to.
When your on your home table you can make small changes in delivery and set and as you go your
influence is easy see. But you get to a casino, where table conditions and the dice change every
day as does everything that goes on around the table. The influence you have at a casino can be
much smaller than you have at home.
Now use your head a second, if you are a golfer or bowler , you also know your shot is not the
same everyday either, and you need to make adjustments, and even after you do that, you don't
bowl 198 each and every game nor do you shoot a 43 every round.
Dice is exactly the same, it changes and if you can make the right adjustments to find your
influence you can make money, if not you lose, its that simple.
If you allow a dice setter to be human, just like you allow a golfer to be or a bowler to be, you
understand why this is hard and it comes and goes more than you want it to.
dicesetter
Quote: DrawingDead
Now I can certainly understand someone not wanting to be very revealing in public web forums for many very sound reasons. But, here's a thought to consider privately to oneself: When one chooses not to know by not keeping such records, it is because at some level that person kinda DOES really know, and doesn't want to face it, even quietly to themselves. That face of reality appearing & stubbornly staring back at them.
On 2+2 people posted their BB/100 all the time, if they were winning players lol. Mostly the ones that shy away from that question don't keep records or are losing.
Quote: dicesitterAxelwolf
of course it is personal you and others like you pull that crap to anyone that's thinks differently.
I am 66 and have been playing since I was about 26 or so.
Five years ago after I cut back on my work load I got a craps table and started with different
types of rolls and betting. About 41/2 years I ago I took several classes on the throw and
was lucky enough to have help from some of the better players in the country. About 2
years ago I ran into some other players that work with the dice and what they do and
different sets do. So in time I have combined both the different types of rolls and different sets.
If your an active player you can lose a fairly good amount of money as you try different things
until you find something that will work, so this constant nonsense of asking is a person is a lifetime
winner is just that, nonsense.
There is no question I can influence the dice as many others can, however extending influence into
profit is not as easy you make it out to.
When your on your home table you can make small changes in delivery and set and as you go your
influence is easy see. But you get to a casino, where table conditions and the dice change every
day as does everything that goes on around the table. The influence you have at a casino can be
much smaller than you have at home.
Now use your head a second, if you are a golfer or bowler , you also know your shot is not the
same everyday either, and you need to make adjustments, and even after you do that, you don't
bowl 198 each and every game nor do you shoot a 43 every round.
Dice is exactly the same, it changes and if you can make the right adjustments to find your
influence you can make money, if not you lose, its that simple.
If you allow a dice setter to be human, just like you allow a golfer to be or a bowler to be, you
understand why this is hard and it comes and goes more than you want it to.
dicesetter
All false and unsubstantiated. You can not compare darts, golf, bowling or anything else to trying to control a dice shot. None of those have a back wall that purposely changes the trajectory of the item you are using.
It's really simple. It's been shown over and over and over again that dice don't stay in control or on axis or have any inkling of being consistant after hitting the back wall.
It's been shown NEVER that someone can control or influence the dice.
You're not a winner lifetime or over the last 20 years, or 10 years or 5 years or probably the last 12 months.
ZCore13
just look at the post of Zcore13
Not a lot more has to be said
dicesetter
Meanwhile, I file dice influence in the same folder where I file the conspiracy theory that the casinos are using loaded dice.
Quote: WizardI file dice influence in the same folder where I file the conspiracy theory that the casinos are using loaded dice.
It's amazing that so many people who otherwise do not seem to harbor foolish notions believe in this dice setting nonsense, without a shred of proof.
Just like religion, except when in the throes of their mania the bone arrangers often "tithe" more than 10%!
"Why hast thou forsaken me?"
I have said the same thing before just not as well as you did.Quote: DrawingDeadOf course those are some basic standard questions involving common metrics of results that anyone who plays a game because they think they have an edge at it is always keeping meticulous records to answer for themselves. "What is your hourly at 'x/y' & over what time frame" is just about the most common thread in serious poker discussion boards, for example. At least there, it is not posed as a challenge to someone, it is a common attempt to elicit information about realistic expectations of a given game & structure from the range of responses.
Even many recreational players who are just somewhat more serious than average about their hobby keep those kinds of records, to keep score, to know how they do & when & where & under what circumstances, to help them do better. The nature of the fundamental metric may change depending on what is a sensible measurement for the game, such as becoming ROI rather than an hourly rate, but in some form this is what people who are at least somewhat serious about their skill at something routinely do - unless, they don't really want to know... Then, they may feel threatened by it, and feel anger from that.
Now I can certainly understand someone not wanting to be very revealing in public web forums for many very sound reasons. But, here's a thought to consider privately to oneself: When one chooses not to know by not keeping such records, it is because at some level that person kinda DOES really know, and doesn't want to face it, even quietly to themselves. That face of reality appearing & stubbornly staring back at them.
You dam well better believe if I was playing something where personal skill was especially something with a very small advantage, something that was doubted by most people, including some of the most well respected gambling experts.
not to mention if at times I had my own doubts.
I would have the numbers and proof.
I might not share it publicly, however I would be willing to show someone credible
in private.
If I didn't want the information out I wouldn't talk about it in the first place. DI is no mystery to the casino's or gamblers. It's like card counting (except counting has been proven with mathematics, simulations and in practice) it's not a big to deal to talk about DI, no golden goose is being killed, especially since the goose is laying goose eggs. Of course the fiction writers and Di classes are selling it as golden eggs.
It's total BS when people claim they don't want to provide real DI evidence to protect it. The money, fame and whatever once seeks would be worth far more than anything the DI's claim to be grinding out.
I guarantee there's no shortage of people that are desperately trying to prove DI is possible. Yet many year's have passed and it has only slipped further away from being proven legitimate(watch the Videos of the best shots around....Kaotic bouncy, bounce bounce ) Casino's are welcoming well behaved DI's who don't slow the game's down.
