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March 11th, 2015 at 3:54:32 PM permalink
Sc1. I took a look at the 8 threads you started here.

I had to wonder if any were for you slimey "friend".
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March 11th, 2015 at 5:20:01 PM permalink
This thread has me wondering something.

Im not sure but I 'think' it is a felony to be running a gambling game, and I suspect they would prosecute as hard as they can if it turns out to be more than just a bunch of friends or locals in the game.
My question is, are there other charges that can be brought forward if the games are determined to be gaffed? Would that mean more jail time, or a heavier fine, or ????
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March 11th, 2015 at 5:28:38 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

This thread has me wondering something.

Im not sure but I 'think' it is a felony to be running a gambling game, and I suspect they would prosecute as hard as they can if it turns out to be more than just a bunch of friends or locals in the game.
My question is, are there other charges that can be brought forward if the games are determined to be gaffed? Would that mean more jail time, or a heavier fine, or ????



I don't know. Possibly, but consider this.

What's the definition of a game that's gaffed? This is an unregulated, illegal game. States that allow legalized gambling have 100s of pages of documents stating how a game is to be dealt. Those documents don't apply to illegal games. Sure, if a legal casino loaded the dice it would clearly violate the law since I'm sure somewhere in the law it states that the dice used in craps have to be balanced a certain way. But that law only applies to legal casinos.
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March 11th, 2015 at 6:18:06 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

This thread has me wondering something.

Im not sure but I 'think' it is a felony to be running a gambling game, and I suspect they would prosecute as hard as they can if it turns out to be more than just a bunch of friends or locals in the game.
My question is, are there other charges that can be brought forward if the games are determined to be gaffed? Would that mean more jail time, or a heavier fine, or ????

They might be able to add fraud or theft by deseptuion on top of running illegal gambling. I don't know. But either way im sure they would be less lenient on someone who has been caught .

he has admitted he wants to pass off information explaining how to cheat player's at an illegal gambling operation in trade for a favor(intentionally spilling a drink) during a hole card situation.

I would assume giving someone information how to cheat during an illegal gambling operation in trade for a favor, somewhere in the area of being an accessory to the crime. He's gathering information on how to counsel someone to commit a crime. knowing this if you give him that information im wondering if that is a crime as well. I might be a big strech of the imagination but who knows.
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March 12th, 2015 at 8:16:58 AM permalink
IMO, laws about game percentages and equipment are all predicated on it being a legal game, so it would be pretty strange if they could prosecute for an illegal game and then add on charges for HOW the games were run. I think they'd have to stop with no license to run games of chance, no payment to the state/jurisdiction from the profits, no business license on the property, stuff like that.
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March 12th, 2015 at 8:21:14 AM permalink
I'm thinking the best non scummy way to deal this game is to short payouts and only allow 2x odds. At least now the people playing have no recourse if they complain. Your friend is still a scumbag though.
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March 12th, 2015 at 12:09:39 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

I've done it before when I wasn't needed to play the game. But I can't do it and then take the seat because it makes it too transparent what just happened.

When a seat's worth $2000+ / hour to us, and some loser is sitting there playing $10 / hand all shift, we'll do what we need to in order to get them out of that seat.

When I've done it though, there's never been an incident. I make it look like an accident (my tactic is usually to walk with my phone in 1 hand, drink in the other, then walk right into them while I'm staring at my phone), then apologize profusely and offer to pay for their shirt, etc. FWIW, this tactic is listed in grosjean's book on ways to get a ploppy out of a seat.

I also once paid a hooker to get a guy off a game. No idea what happened afterwards, but my agreement with her was she had to get the guy to leave the game.


Here's your problem, and what makes you look scummy as well. You're acting as if you have no other options. If there's a guy siting at a table you need to get on and you're willing to spend $100 to get a spilled drink/potential fight, why not simply walk up to the table and say "$100 to the first person that gives me their seat." You're in a casino... I would be willing to bet you could do this and get someone to leave at any table in the place. To them it's just "hey, I'll take that $100 and sit at that table over there with it, no risk!"

Or how about you do your homework better next time? If the dealer you want to hole card starts their shift at 7pm, then you should get there at 6:15 and get on the table min betting playing basic strategy / sitting out until the next dealer comes. The EV you lose from doing that would be pennies to the dollar than paying someone to potentially start a fight.

There's always another way. Non scummy / intelligent people will take the 10 minutes to think it though and figure it out. I'd also be worried for your own safety. Say this idiot gets caught, and they're beating him to a pulp asking who else was in on it, knew of it, anything... In his severe beating and desperate to get out of the situation he name drops you as the one whom helped him set it up. Now you have a price on our head too. Again, think smarter, not harder.
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March 12th, 2015 at 1:13:36 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Here's your problem, and what makes you look scummy as well. You're acting as if you have no other options. If there's a guy siting at a table you need to get on and you're willing to spend $100 to get a spilled drink/potential fight, why not simply walk up to the table and say "$100 to the first person that gives me their seat." You're in a casino... I would be willing to bet you could do this and get someone to leave at any table in the place. To them it's just "hey, I'll take that $100 and sit at that table over there with it, no risk!"

Or how about you do your homework better next time? If the dealer you want to hole card starts their shift at 7pm, then you should get there at 6:15 and get on the table min betting playing basic strategy / sitting out until the next dealer comes. The EV you lose from doing that would be pennies to the dollar than paying someone to potentially start a fight.

There's always another way. Non scummy / intelligent people will take the 10 minutes to think it though and figure it out. I'd also be worried for your own safety. Say this idiot gets caught, and they're beating him to a pulp asking who else was in on it, knew of it, anything... In his severe beating and desperate to get out of the situation he name drops you as the one whom helped him set it up. Now you have a price on our head too. Again, think smarter, not harder.



Buying a seat looks very suspicious to the dealers/pit. I also can't see into the future, so I don't know which dealers are going to be exposing cards tonight (if any), and even if I have their names/photos in my database, I don't have access to employee schedules to know which table they're going to be assigned to tonight.

This guy also doesn't have my real name. I contact him thru one of my alias's email addresses / burner phones.
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March 12th, 2015 at 2:31:32 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Buying a seat looks very suspicious to the dealers/pit. I also can't see into the future, so I don't know which dealers are going to be exposing cards tonight (if any), and even if I have their names/photos in my database, I don't have access to employee schedules to know which table they're going to be assigned to tonight.

This guy also doesn't have my real name. I contact him thru one of my alias's email addresses / burner phones.


1) Hire someone else to buy it, flail $100 hard at the table, then leave, giving another team member the seat.
2) It's very easy to make small talk and ask them if this is their regular shift, are they changing, saying ploppy things like "they're you're lucky dealer" etc. Again, a little thought and preparation means you can absolutely find out every single dealers schedule you want. From my experiences a lot of dealers enjoy chatting about how long they've dealt, where else they've dealt, what shifts they've been on, are on now, and want to be on in the future... etc ;)

That's good he doesn't have your info. But what if they're beating him to a pulp and he just says he can give them the guy that helped set it up? Then he calls you like nothing's wrong the next day asking to meet up for lunch, they come, follow you home, you lose the game. That's what I would do if I wanted access to you. He doesn't need to have your info (although if he has ANY of it then you can easily be found); he just needs access to you, which anyone gets from association.

I'm not saying I dislike you, think you're scummy, etc. I've seen a few intelligent posts come from you, so I'm just curious why you wouldn't take the intelligent approach instead of the blunt low rode that will inevitably converge to trouble.
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March 12th, 2015 at 2:56:32 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

1) Hire someone else to buy it, flail $100 hard at the table, then leave, giving another team member the seat.
2) It's very easy to make small talk and ask them if this is their regular shift, are they changing, saying ploppy things like "they're you're lucky dealer" etc. Again, a little thought and preparation means you can absolutely find out every single dealers schedule you want. From my experiences a lot of dealers enjoy chatting about how long they've dealt, where else they've dealt, what shifts they've been on, are on now, and want to be on in the future... etc ;)

That's good he doesn't have your info. But what if they're beating him to a pulp and he just says he can give them the guy that helped set it up? Then he calls you like nothing's wrong the next day asking to meet up for lunch, they come, follow you home, you lose the game. That's what I would do if I wanted access to you. He doesn't need to have your info (although if he has ANY of it then you can easily be found); he just needs access to you, which anyone gets from association.

I'm not saying I dislike you, think you're scummy, etc. I've seen a few intelligent posts come from you, so I'm just curious why you wouldn't take the intelligent approach instead of the blunt low rode that will inevitably converge to trouble.



You haven't been in the business. I know people who have tried tactics like buying a seat off someone, and it doesn't work as well as you might think. I used to have a team mate who's a girl and would do this for us when needed. The chances of that turning ugly were pretty much 0. A lot of times the target is a married couple. Always spill the drink on the guy. Spilling on his wife is much more likely to elicit an aggressive response. Also, most of the time the target is someone who's been at the table for a while, and looks like they'll continue to be at the table for a long time. $100 won't be enough motivation to get them to give up a seat when they're down like $500 already (You're looking at this from a rational perspective. Most degenerate gamblers are NOT rational). But very few people will sit there in soaking wet clothes and continue to play. That almost always gets them to decide it's time to take a break.

I already know which shift the dealer's going to be on, since 99% of the time a dealer works the same shift (day, swing, grave) at a given casino day after day. But what I CAN'T know is what game/table they're going to be assigned to. Not every dealer deals the same game every day, and unless it's a very small casino the table they're going to be on is random. I can't ask the supervisor in charge of scheduling what pit and table Irene is going to be scheduled to tomorrow, lol.

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