Intentional no rolls

Hey all, I searched through this forum but couldn't find anything on this topic:

I recently went to a casino in Manila, Resorts World. It has one table and I've noticed it's always full of "regulars", older folks, they all know each other, decent sized bettors, etc. With newer fancier casinos opening lately the same people are there more often.

I noticed that a few of them threw the dice backwards towards their near wall multiple times on their roll, causing no rolls. They would do it a few times in a row, then roll normally, then a few rolls later do it again.

Is this some kind of new superstitious "dice reset" thing? I've never seen it before now and it seems ridiculous. What's the point of throwing backwards for a no roll other than superstition and wasting time?

This happens all over, not just in Manila. It usually happens when there is a new shooter. A new shooter will be given all of the dice at once and have to pick two of them to roll. The ones that aren't picked are collected by the stick dealer. Some of the superstitious people like to throw all the dice a couple of times to find the "lucky" ones to use. To the non-superstitious people, it just looks like a waste of time, like you said.

Quote: TriathlonTodd

This happens all over, not just in Manila. It usually happens when there is a new shooter. A new shooter will be given all of the dice at once and have to pick two of them to roll. The ones that aren't picked are collected by the stick dealer. Some of the superstitious people like to throw all the dice a couple of times to find the "lucky" ones to use. To the non-superstitious people, it just looks like a waste of time, like you said.

Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I meant. The toss 5 dice against their wall to find "lucky" ones, I've seen all the time. I mean these shooters have their dice and bets down and all that. But instead of throwing the dice towards the far wall on the opposite end, they backhand or toss the dice backwards to the near wall on the wrong end causing a no roll: no roll is called, stickman gets the dice, push back to the shooter. I saw a guy do this 3 times straight before finally rolling it to the far wall correctly. It was very odd, yet three different people did this multiple times.

truly talented shooters feel the dice vibrate. This lets them now when to throw. Or sometimes they must let them go completely, and you don't want that to be a roll. If you have been paying no attention to the vibrations of the dice, no wonder you roll all those 7-outs!

Seen that 5 die "show me the luckly ones" and the 2 die "work the junk out" mid-roll regularly.
One or two doing it; so what? A whole table full of those guys; just walk away...

BUT...
They usually work the dice so close to the wall I rarely see the results. So what is really happening?
Did he get three 7s in a row or "stupidly" blow the point on the first test so now gotta roll out a few more before the toss...

Quote: Frink85

What's the point of throwing backwards for a no roll other than superstition and wasting time?

You've answered your own question.

Yes, it's a waste of time. Yes, it's due to superstition.

And, yeah, it happens all over. Usually by older shooters.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

You've answered your own question.

Yes, it's a waste of time. Yes, it's due to superstition.

And, yeah, it happens all over. Usually by older shooters.

I usually see it done by blacks. Sometimes Asians. Rarely white. Almost always young people. Rare occasion an old person. The "regulars" casinos tend to be mostly old white guys, at least in my experience.

You sure you weren't at Arizona Charlie's, Palace Station, or Gold Coast?

Quote: RS

I usually see it done by blacks. Sometimes Asians. Rarely white. Almost always young people. Rare occasion an old person. The "regulars" casinos tend to be mostly old white guys, at least in my experience.

You sure you weren't at Arizona Charlie's, Palace Station, or Gold Coast?

LOL RS you're always noticing skin color. I'm going to call you WS.

I remember you saying you don't see many blacks playing VP. And I seen a discussion about the casinos auto resetting machines or something showing bogus last hands. And how people oftentimes avoid machines with large cash outs.

I was board while waiting for someone who hit the head. I was lucky enough to find a bank of UX unmolested by any snipers with some juicy multipliers scattered about on different denominations (no hustlers in this casino apparently). I went Blank blank blank on the higher denominations. I got to Nickel 10 or 5 play and it was loaded up with some ripe multipliers(I forget what game... Double something or another). I get dealt 9999x (I didn't hold all 5 cards, that's for pussies) for over 5k nickels.


I slid to the next machine to check for more abandoned multipliers. I was thinking of your comment and that other thread, because a few seconds later an older black guy swaggers up to the machine, ticket in hand ready to slide it in the validator. Suddenly notices the cashout amount and quickly stops himself from playing as he mumbled something about how it's payed out already, so he moved on.

Now I find myself noticing what race of people are actually playing particular games.

Quote: Frink85

Thanks for the reply, but that's not what I meant. The toss 5 dice against their wall to find "lucky" ones, I've seen all the time. I mean these shooters have their dice and bets down and all that. But instead of throwing the dice towards the far wall on the opposite end, they backhand or toss the dice backwards to the near wall on the wrong end causing a no roll: no roll is called, stickman gets the dice, push back to the shooter. I saw a guy do this 3 times straight before finally rolling it to the far wall correctly. It was very odd, yet three different people did this multiple times.

If the backhand shooters were standing immediately to the left or right of the stickman, or even +1 of the stick, I have never seen that, except one time by a young woman, brand new to the game. After getting scolded by the stick and the box, she never did it again. What did the boxman say to the offender after the third "no roll"?

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll settle for "dumb superstitions". The people doing this were all older Filipinos so "dumb superstition" makes even more sense in this context. Also "urgent pathological need to throw the dice but don't want to make an official roll" sounds valid here too.

Quote: Ayecarumba

If the backhand shooters were standing immediately to the left or right of the stickman, or even +1 of the stick, I have never seen that, except one time by a young woman, brand new to the game. After getting scolded by the stick and the box, she never did it again. What did the boxman say to the offender after the third "no roll"?

The shooters who did this were always next to or +1 of the stickman. Boxman said nothing. Stickman pushed the dice back to the shooter, game on. I assumed they were regulars, and putting bets all over the table so they had more leeway. If it was a situation like the girl in your story, ok fine one mistake correct it let's go. I've was at a table with some early 20s new players and one guy was throwing overhand by flicking his wrists. I was torn between laughter or disappointment.

Quote: Frink85

one guy was throwing overhand by flicking his wrists. I was torn between laughter or disappointment.

As long as he snaps his fingers after throwing the dice, that's all that matters.

In my opinion, I think if a player does NOT snap his fingers, it should be considered a "no roll".

Extra points to the shooter if he says something mid-shot, like, "Ate, skate, donate"(?), or "Baby need new shoes!", or "Little Joe from co-co mo", "Nina ROSS", or "Apologize, dice!".

Double extra points if the shooter gives out a light grunt directly after snapping of the fingers.

I have been known to do the short roll against the wall right below my chips. If I am next to the stick I will let them lightly kiss the mirror. The box gets mad if you hit the mirror with the dice.

I do it after I have thrown the dice off the table or into the rail. Everyone knows a 7 out always comes after the dice leave the table. But the dice don't know that the next roll will be a shorty that won't count, so the 7 gets used up on a no roll. I've had great success with it. Seems to work out for me about 5 out of 6 times, which is about 85%.

Plus, it is much faster than calling same dice, since you don't have to wait for the dice to be found, and checked by the box.