Casino Sweat Joints

Casino Sweat Joints

I base casinos on how they treat their craps players and how much they sweat their money. Do you have a casino in your neck of the woods that you would consider to be a sweat joint?

Now the reason I bring this up is because, I happen to stop in Green Valley Ranch casino and was shocked when I went to take the so-called free odds on my point that just happened to be a ten and I had the dice!

As all of you should know the so-called free odds is a bet that is not marked on the table that you make by putting your bet behind the pass-line bet that you have. Those so-call free odds can be only made if you have a pass-line bet and also be the point that was established on the come out roll.

Now I don't believe in placing a pass-line bet unless I have the dice and I know that I will most likely hit that point! Green Valley Ranch has had 10x's odds on their pass-line bets before, they no longer do, they went to the strip odds where you can only bet 3x's odd on the 10.

Talk about bad casino management, they must have a new table games manager that came from a sweat joint.

I tell all of my craps playing buddies that come in from out of town that they need to spend some money on books on casino management, or when they are in Vegas to go to one of our libraries and spend some time reading one or two of the books they have on casino management.

Here is a quote of of Casino Operations Management by Jim Kilby, JiomFox and Anthony F. Lucas on the so-called free odds on a craps table. You can find it on page 144 of their book, for all of your stupid table games managers that think you know it all and the only placed that you worked was a sweat joint!

Odds now they are writing about the so-called free odds in their book that I'm quoting.

Quote:

Decades ago, the odds bet was created as a marking tool to encourage betting on the pass-line. What the inventor of the odds bet created a bet where the house advantage was 0%, but where the player pass-line also had to bet the pass-line in order to enjoy this 0% disadvantage.

Now I'm not about to post the whole quote about the so-called free odds, just that part of it should tell you that it's a bad bet for the players. If you play any casino game you should read about casino management.

The going to the strip odds where you can only make a 3 x's odds bet on the ten tells me that they are now sweating the money and their table games manager needs to go back to school if he even ever went to one on casino management.

Now,.. I have a long list of the casinos around Vegas that are sweat joints, how about you guys? What makes you think that the casino you are playing in sweats the money?

I'm not going to list all of the sweat joints around Vegas, lets see how many of them you guys can come up with! Or any that are in your neck of the woods. I now give Green Valley Ranch a failing mark on sweating the money and will not play there again!

Quote: superrick

I'm not going to list all of the sweat joints around Vegas, lets see how many of them you guys can come up with! Or any that are in your neck of the woods. I now give Green Valley Ranch a failing mark on sweating the money and will not play there again!

I thought most of the casino's in Las Vegas and Reno were 3X(4/10) 4X(5/9) and 5X(6/8)?

Wow, that's quite a detailed post just about GVR going from 10x odds to 3/4/5x odds.

How do you feel about Palazzo+Venetian's switch to mainly 6:5 on the main floor?

THAT is not a valid measurement of "sweat the money".

First of all, by definition it is too broad a stroke since it includes about fifty to sixty percent of all casinos.

Second, 3x4x5x is often adopted for SIMPLICITY for dealers, players and surveillance. Its more a speed of play and accuracy of payout measure that keeps the game moving fast. Keeping the dice moving fast is but ONE indication of a POSSIBLE sweat the money joint. Its like having 5x odds (oh stop quibbling about that fourth decimal place, will you?) but with notable gains in speed and accuracy.

Its how do you feel as a player. Crew doing anything like tackling you as you walk by and dragging you to the table? Well, okay .... not quite that bad, but you get the idea.

If you take a breather for awhile does the stick tell the floor person and the floor person come out an tell you if you want to be rated you must keep actively betting.

Do dealers belittle players? Do dealers argue with players? If there is a dispute will they pause to resolve it?

Are dealers helpful to newbies? Forgiving of errors and mistakes? Does the stick beat a sweet young thing several times with the stick if she uses both hands to shake the dice? Do they send you to the other end of the table if you are winning?

Quote: superrick

Now I don't believe in placing a pass-line bet unless I have the dice and I know that I will most likely hit that point!

This is as far as I needed to read to lose any faith that there would be good information in the post.



ZCore13

I'm just waiting for that pic of of the custom south point shirt where the P was turned upside down.

Quote: Zcore13

This is as far as I needed to read to lose any faith that there would be good information in the post.



ZCore13

amen.

Anyone who knows craps knows that since its a contract bet the pass line one of the worst bet on the table.

Didn't GVR (my auto correct changed GVR to God so apparently they're God) used to rate odds towards comps? I think all stations used to be 3x4x5x odds then some changed them to 10x then guess some changed them back.

Quote: DanMahoney

Anyone who knows craps knows that since its a contract bet the pass line one of the worst bet on the table.

Most bets in a casino are contract bets in the sense that once you make them, that's it.
I tried taking my bet down after hitting hard 18 but it didn't work.

Since Caesars filed for bankruptcy, I would say all their casinos are sweat joints.

Quote: DanMahoney

Anyone who knows craps knows that since its a contract bet the pass line one of the worst bet on the table.

So those in the know say taking your bet down is the secret, eh?

well, I suppose just not betting at all is best.

Quote: DanMahoney

Anyone who knows craps knows that since its a contract bet the pass line one of the worst bet on the table.

I read stuff like this and just shake my head.....then of course players who don't have a clue pay my salary.

That is bad news that GVR has gone to 3-4-5x odds. It was worth going out there to get the 10x odds. Much like the 3:2 BJ is fading away, so too will 5x or better odds.
I assume Red Rock is also 3-4-5x as well?

Apparently I played a small session after this recent change (maybe a 3-4 weeks ago?). During my play I noticed 2 players join the game and take the "usual" 10x odds after a roll, only to be told of the recent change. The unhappy players quickly took down their odds, chipped up after 1 roll, and left. After the players departed there was a lot of grumbling by the dealers about the change. I asked about the situation, a dealer told me a regular "don't" player went on a long roll and the 10x odds "hurt" the place (this is complete hearsay, so interpret as you please).

The incident may have taken place but normally a dealer would not know if it was the cause or not.

I feel that Caesar's has been a sweat joint for some time now.

Quote: Keeneone

Apparently I played a small session after this recent change (maybe a 3-4 weeks ago?). During my play I noticed 2 players join the game and take the "usual" 10x odds after a roll, only to be told of the recent change. The unhappy players quickly took down their odds, chipped up after 1 roll, and left. After the players departed there was a lot of grumbling by the dealers about the change. I asked about the situation, a dealer told me a regular "don't" player went on a long roll and the 10x odds "hurt" the place (this is complete hearsay, so interpret as you please).

Gee,... Imagine that one don't play is all it took to send a casino on a downward spiral. As I said I will not be playing there again. I know when I put this post it would bring out all of the negative things that some of you guys could say!

But it all boils down to bad casino management, and someone that is running their tables games that don't understand gambling. They need to go back to school, it's not the dealers fought as to what happened. It's upper management that doesn't know what they are doing, and doesn't understand the game of craps!

Quote: ontariodealer

I read stuff like this and just shake my head.....then of course players who don't have a clue pay my salary.

No,.... even if you have been standing on that side of the table for 30 years, you still don't understand a bad bet when you see one and you damn sure didn't read my post, you just wanted to attack the post, with all of your knowledge of the game. Didn't you read where the so-called free odds bet was developed to get the players to bet on the pass-line. Well if that is the case, then the pass-line bet just sucks for the players.

By the way there Mr. ontariodealer, if it wasn't for players like me you wouldn't be working dealing craps unless you wanted to live in poverty. If dealing in Canada is anything like dealing here in the states, you would only be making minimum wage! It's the players that make it possible for you to stand at your job for 8 hours a day or more so you can make a living.

There are some good dealers but any more most of them suck and do not understand who is paying their salary. Here in the states it's the players like me that will bet for you or give you a tip! Don't think for one moment that if that didn't happen you would still be working in your chosen profession.

Quote: Zcore13

This is as far as I needed to read to lose any faith that there would be good information in the post.
Zcore13

Now I understand why you and Ahigh hit it off so good, if you can't see the hand writing on the wall on this post you shouldn't be working in a casino! Players want a good game when they play any casino game, that is no-longer happening in most casinos. I will not play at Green Valley anymore just because of that so-called free odds bet. There are some players that understand what a bad bet is!

Quote: FleaStiff

THAT is not a valid measurement of "sweat the money".

First of all, by definition it is too broad a stroke since it includes about fifty to sixty percent of all casinos.

Second, 3x4x5x is often adopted for SIMPLICITY for dealers, players and surveillance. Its more a speed of play and accuracy of payout measure that keeps the game moving fast. Keeping the dice moving fast is but ONE indication of a POSSIBLE sweat the money joint. Its like having 5x odds (oh stop quibbling about that fourth decimal place, will you?) but with notable gains in speed and accuracy.

Its how do you feel as a player. Crew doing anything like tackling you as you walk by and dragging you to the table? Well, okay .... not quite that bad, but you get the idea.

If you take a breather for awhile does the stick tell the floor person and the floor person come out an tell you if you want to be rated you must keep actively betting.

Do dealers belittle players? Do dealers argue with players? If there is a dispute will they pause to resolve it?

Are dealers helpful to newbies? Forgiving of errors and mistakes? Does the stick beat a sweet young thing several times with the stick if she uses both hands to shake the dice? Do they send you to the other end of the table if you are winning?

FleaStiff,..when I'm reading your response, I would say that you are a dealer that is probably a good one that I would be tipping at the tables I play on. Most on this board would say, superrick your nuts all you have to do is look at the strip odds, they all have 3,4,5 times odds. My answer to that would,...that's so true, there are suckers born every minute of the day. The strip is for the tourist and every sucker they can get there. So they can get away with the strip odds. Hell South Point casino even gets away with 2x's odds! Would I play there,...hell no, it's a indication that they sweat the money.

Would any of you buy gas at a station that is 15 cents more then the one right across the street for the same product?
Well that is basically what you're doing when you can go across the street and still get that same so-called free odds at a different casino that still has the 10x's odds!

There are so many bad casino managers out there now days that don't understand the game they have in the casinos. They are all worried that is anything changes they will be out of a job. They come into a casino and make changes like taking away the so-called free odds and they run off players by doing so. They probably came from a sweat joint and are now trying to run the one they are working at the same way.

The reason these off the strip casinos are even in business is because of the locals, that have lived around casinos and want a decent game! We are not going to patronize sweat joints that will not give us that game!

By the way I stop at all of the sweat joints around Vegas from time to time to see if anything has changed, but I do not play in them if I think they are sweating the money or they don't have a good game to play!

Quote: superrick

FleaStiff,..when I'm reading your response, I would say that you are a dealer that is probably a good one that I would be tipping at the tables I play on

Moi? A dealer? Casinos require all dice dealers to wear black socks and black shoes. How could I possibly be a dealer? Dice dealers have to count beyond ten, you know. And must keep those shoes on! It is totally impossible for me to figure out odds, payouts, units, press strategies or even how to count chips much less how to size into a stack or drop chips properly.

As part of my Personna on this forum, I pretend to be a panhandler who every time he gets "spare change" from people that reaches twenty dollars runs into a Vegas casino and buys in at a craps game. Oh, how I dearly wish that were the truth.

Quote: superrick

Gee,... Imagine that one don't play is all it took to send a casino on a downward spiral. As I said I will not be playing there again.

So to where are you moving your action?
If you prefer not to answer that, fine. At least describe the better playing conditions that you will be enjoying.

Quote: superrick

Gee,... Imagine that one don't play is all it took to send a casino on a downward spiral. As I said I will not be playing there again. I know when I put this post it would bring out all of the negative things that some of you guys could say!

But it all boils down to bad casino management, and someone that is running their tables games that don't understand gambling. They need to go back to school, it's not the dealers fought as to what happened. It's upper management that doesn't know what they are doing, and doesn't understand the game of craps!

No,.... even if you have been standing on that side of the table for 30 years, you still don't understand a bad bet when you see one and you damn sure didn't read my post, you just wanted to attack the post, with all of your knowledge of the game. Didn't you read where the so-called free odds bet was developed to get the players to bet on the pass-line. Well if that is the case, then the pass-line bet just sucks for the players.

By the way there Mr. ontariodealer, if it wasn't for players like me you wouldn't be working dealing craps unless you wanted to live in poverty. If dealing in Canada is anything like dealing here in the states, you would only be making minimum wage! It's the players that make it possible for you to stand at your job for 8 hours a day or more so you can make a living.

There are some good dealers but any more most of them suck and do not understand who is paying their salary. Here in the states it's the players like me that will bet for you or give you a tip! Don't think for one moment that if that didn't happen you would still be working in your chosen profession.

Now I understand why you and Ahigh hit it off so good, if you can't see the hand writing on the wall on this post you shouldn't be working in a casino! Players want a good game when they play any casino game, that is no-longer happening in most casinos. I will not play at Green Valley anymore just because of that so-called free odds bet. There are some players that understand what a bad bet is!

FleaStiff,..when I'm reading your response, I would say that you are a dealer that is probably a good one that I would be tipping at the tables I play on. Most on this board would say, superrick your nuts all you have to do is look at the strip odds, they all have 3,4,5 times odds. My answer to that would,...that's so true, there are suckers born every minute of the day. The strip is for the tourist and every sucker they can get there. So they can get away with the strip odds. Hell South Point casino even gets away with 2x's odds! Would I play there,...hell no, it's a indication that they sweat the money.

Would any of you buy gas at a station that is 15 cents more then the one right across the street for the same product?
Well that is basically what you're doing when you can go across the street and still get that same so-called free odds at a different casino that still has the 10x's odds!

There are so many bad casino managers out there now days that don't understand the game they have in the casinos. They are all worried that is anything changes they will be out of a job. They come into a casino and make changes like taking away the so-called free odds and they run off players by doing so. They probably came from a sweat joint and are now trying to run the one they are working at the same way.

The reason these off the strip casinos are even in business is because of the locals, that have lived around casinos and want a decent game! We are not going to patronize sweat joints that will not give us that game!

By the way I stop at all of the sweat joints around Vegas from time to time to see if anything has changed, but I do not play in them if I think they are sweating the money or they don't have a good game to play!

Its amazing SR for all the long posts you make how totally clueless you are about craps, its a simple game. You decide to play do's or dont's then you play pass line and come bets or DP and DC'S with as many odds as your bankroll justifies. There are no strategies or prop bets that work. You can take your knowledge an skill when betting and deposit it there with the Patrick's scoblete's and all the other hucksters. Simple game , one way to play. And I was quoting another guy above, not you. I would rather eat a dogs barf than read one of your long, boring, useless posts.

Quote: ontariodealer

Its amazing SR for all the long posts you make how totally clueless you are about craps, its a simple game. You decide to play do's or dont's then you play pass line and come bets or DP and DC'S with as many odds as your bankroll justifies. There are no strategies or prop bets that work. You can take your knowledge an skill when betting and deposit it there with the Patrick's scoblete's and all the other hucksters. Simple game , one way to play. And I was quoting another guy above, not you. I would rather eat a dogs barf than read one of your long, boring, useless posts.

Gee, I think the world should just start play "Bubble Craps" then nobody would need dealers, that know everything about the game, and try to tell everybody how they should play. Better yet everybody should just stop tipping, then were would you be?

Hows it feel to depend on the kindness of your players and were would you be if we didn't play? It must suck,... most dealers hate their jobs!

Let me apologize for the cheap shot, but any more the dealers think they know it all, when they can't even deal the game. Sure there are still some good ones out there but they are a dying breed, where do you fit it, sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder, if the players don't play the way you think the game should be played? Should we all play the way you want it just so we can make your game easy to deal to?

By the way you forgot to put the great fiction writer, "The Madprofessor" on your list!

Ontario dealer


I am assuming here you are just trying to be a big mouth. There would be no other reason to make such
a silly statement. That or you have never worked on a craps table.

Leaving dice control completely out of this discussion, a decision to either play the do's or the don't and then
bet as much as you can would have to be the dumbest advise I have ever seen,

I am not going to go into the reasons because it would be a waste of my time, your either a fraud in terms
of working at a craps table, or just trying to obtain a reaction from many good players that know your
full of crap.

Either way, it does not matter, you and I both know you don't have a clue.

Dicesetter

Oh please, superrick. You're full of it. Dealers hate their jobs because of players like you (at least what I assume you to be, from what you sound like).

Quote: RS

Oh please, superrick. You're full of it. Dealers hate their jobs because of players like you (at least what I assume you to be, from what you sound like).

That may well be but its best to let him rant on. Dealers love to see people walk away from a table with all their money gone, particularly if they've ranting about how easy it is to make money by facing East and betting on BigRed.

Two fleas talking to each other at a craps table: "Would ya believe it, George? We know so damn much about this game and we're losing! How can that be? With the amount of knowledge I have in this game...."

Dealer: "Don't call him George"

Quote: RS

Oh please, superrick. You're full of it. Dealers hate their jobs because of players like you (at least what I assume you to be, from what you sound like).

Oh please the dealers love me, because of the tips I give them, maybe I should tell all of my buddies that every time they go to the tables in a sweat joint they should fire-up that cigar and blow smoke it the dealers face, instead of trying to take care of the poor dealers that have to depend on tips to make a living.

Is dealing really that bad of a job, were after a while they all hate the players, if it was,... you would think that they would find a different kind of work! I know that most dealers all hate working at Harrahs properties and call it the "Evil Empire"!

Maybe if they didn't have such bad attitudes they would get tipped better. Their mentality of them against us surely doesn't put tokes in their tip box!

Dealing is a rather "dark" job. It definitely has a negative long term effect on a high percentage of dealers, even after they've left the job. Dealing leads to a cynical outlook on life, and other people. Dealer's often suffer a kind of moral fiber decay as a result of having dealt.

Quote: Keyser

Dealer's often suffer a kind of moral fiber decay as a result of having dealt.

When you dance with the devil, the devil
doesn't change. The devil changes you.
Imagine what happens when you work
for him in a casino.

Quote: EvenBob

When you dance with the devil, the devil
doesn't change. The devil changes you.
Imagine what happens when you work
for him in a casino.

Roulette is the devil! The sum of numbers adds up to the mark of the beast, 666! At least the casino devil gives you free stuff when you use a players card.

Quote: rudeboyoi

Roulette is the devil! The sum of numbers adds up to the mark of the beast, 666! At least the casino devil gives you free stuff when you use a players card.

To keep you coming back to lose more
money. It's like a drug dealer giving you
free samples, what a great guy.

Quote: Keyser

Dealing is a rather "dark" job. It definitely has a negative long term effect on a high percentage of dealers, even after they've left the job. Dealing leads to a cynical outlook on life, and other people. Dealer's often suffer a kind of moral fiber decay as a result of having dealt.

I think it's just spending so much time in casinos. You could take out the word dealer and put in AP and that statement would be no more or less true (Grosjean would have to be Exhibit A reading just about anything he's written)

Quote: EvenBob

To keep you coming back to lose more
money. It's like a drug dealer giving you
free samples, what a great guy.

And yet you keep coming back without a players card. The casino devil must be a lessor demon than the roulette devil.

Quote: superrick

Oh please the dealers love me, because of the tips I give them, maybe I should tell all of my buddies that every time they go to the tables in a sweat joint they should fire-up that cigar and blow smoke it the dealers face, instead of trying to take care of the poor dealers that have to depend on tips to make a living.

Is dealing really that bad of a job, were after a while they all hate the players, if it was,... you would think that they would find a different kind of work! I know that most dealers all hate working at Harrahs properties and call it the "Evil Empire"!

Maybe if they didn't have such bad attitudes they would get tipped better. Their mentality of them against us surely doesn't put tokes in their tip box!

I have a hard time believing the "the dealers love me because of the tips I give them" statement. I don't know you or your tipping behavior, you very well might be a "George". But I know many players have this attitude that if at any point they had ever given a tip, they should be given "the royal treatment". They give the waitress $1 after making some complicated drink order and act like they should be waited on hand and foot because of it. Or they put $1 on the line for the dealers twice in a one hour session and act like they're being so overly generous and dealers should worship them.

Very few players are like that. But the ones who act like they tip a whole bunch tend to tip very little. I had one guy ramble on for an entire 2 hours about how much he tips the dealers, but sure enough, never placed a single bet for the dealers nor left a tip when he left the table.



Superrick, I'm not sure where you play, but I've found it very rare for dealers to be "me against you". Most of the time they want players to win so they'll actually get tipped. Very very few like to take people's money. Granted, that's for most dealers with most players. There's always a player or two who everyone f***** hates because that player is such an a*****. When that player comes to the table, you can be damn sure every dealer wants to take every bit of money he has.

maybe somebody here could enlighten me on how you win at craps using knowledge and skill when betting. Its a simple game like I said but the hucksters and dickheads all have systems to beat it. For the people who questioned my dealing I have met a few guys from on here at the wov meet at Niagara and I think they will tell you I am real, a good guy and not a bitter old cretin like many here are speculating.

I did not say you were bitter, I said you were either a fraud or
your trying to cause problems with your comments which were
terrible advise.

Telling anyone...,,, to go to the table and then decide immediately they are going to
either bet for or against the dice, then bet as much as you can. If you are a dealer, shame on
you for learning nothing, and your opinion about folks that actually take the game seriously
is a direct insult to their efforts.

My opinion of some of the dealers I have played with is fairly low, but you set a new standard.

dicesetter

Quote: EvenBob

To keep you coming back to lose more
money. It's like a drug dealer giving you
free samples, what a great guy.

Eventually, you're going to have 1 word per line, aren't you?

Quote: dicesitter

I did not say you were bitter, I said you were either a fraud or
your trying to cause problems with your comments which were
terrible advise.

Telling anyone...,,, to go to the table and then decide immediately they are going to
either bet for or against the dice, then bet as much as you can. If you are a dealer, shame on
you for learning nothing, and your opinion about folks that actually take the game seriously
is a direct insult to their efforts.

My opinion of some of the dealers I have played with is fairly low, but you set a new standard.

dicesetter

Perhaps you could learn to read, I said you take as much odds as your bankroll allows not bet as much as you can. Your reading comprehension seems as good as your lack of knowledge that pass/come or DP/DC is the only good way to play.

Your missing the entire point of the post, but I think that was your intent.
In addition I fail see a difference between " bet as much as you can and as much
as you can based on what you bring with you ."


Either way you lose, because your only consideration is how much can I bet.

Sad state of affairs when some one that claims to be a dealer gives such bad
advise. I would feel better if you just said hey you cant win at craps just stay home.

Dicesetter

Ps you forgot to indicate what you really think of people that study the game, work on their
toss, play sober, don't over bet their income ....

Quote: dicesitter

Your missing the entire point of the post, but I think that was your intent.
In addition I fail see a difference between " bet as much as you can and as much
as you can based on what you bring with you ."


Either way you lose, because your only consideration is how much can I bet.

Sad state of affairs when some one that claims to be a dealer gives such bad
advise. I would feel better if you just said hey you cant win at craps just stay home.

Dicesetter

Ps you forgot to indicate what you really think of people that study the game, work on their
toss, play sober, don't over bet their income ....

you seem to put words in my mouth and assume a lot. So I'll assume you are another nutjob like superick and leave it at that.

Quote: sabre

Eventually, you're going to have 1 word per line, aren't you?

You're never going to average more than one
post a week, are you.

Study the game? Please tell us, what is there to study? If you're talking about odds, payoffs (hell even procedures), edges, etc. then that makes sense. But I have a feeling you're talking about betting strategies, betting right side when it's hot or dark side while cold, etc.

Why would you practice your toss?

I agree you shouldn't over bet your bankroll (don't bet with your income). As for playing sober or drinking, it's really up to whatever you enjoy.


But you're not gonna beat a game using betting strategies or tossing the dice in a "controlled" fashion.

"But you're not gonna beat a game using betting strategies or tossing the dice in a "controlled" fashion."

I guess you never heard of "AG" Moe!

Quote: RS

I have a hard time believing the "the dealers love me because of the tips I give them" statement. I don't know you or your tipping behavior, you very well might be a "George". But I know many players have this attitude that if at any point they had ever given a tip, they should be given "the royal treatment". They give the waitress $1 after making some complicated drink order and act like they should be waited on hand and foot because of it. Or they put $1 on the line for the dealers twice in a one hour session and act like they're being so overly generous and dealers should worship them.

The truth of the matter is very simple, tips buy you nothing. You can have the best crew you ever ran into and there could be one dealer that hates every player there is and will make the game as miserable as they can for every player on the table.

I know that dealers have a job I wouldn't want to do, and try to make their day as pleasant as I can. Unfortunately now days the casinos are hiring dealers that shouldn't even be in one. It comes as no shock to see one auditioning that can't do basic math and can't work with their hands, end up dealing the next time you stop in to play.

Quote: RS

Superrick, I'm not sure where you play, but I've found it very rare for dealers to be "me against you". Most of the time they want players to win so they'll actually get tipped. Very very few like to take people's money. Granted, that's for most dealers with most players. There's always a player or two who everyone f***** hates because that player is such an a*****. When that player comes to the table, you can be damn sure every dealer wants to take every bit of money he has.

Well your statement works two ways, I live in the Las Vegas and play at most of the casino around Vegas. So where do you deal at, you do not have to tell everybody the casino, just the area?

Yes,..those same players that you are writing about can have most of the other players on the table hating to see them on the same table when they buy-in. Players want to have a good game that they can play, they also want professional dealers that will make the game as pleasant as it can be to play.

I know that I can lose money it doesn't bother me one bit. So if I'm losing I don't have a loser's attitude. We all have our bad days at the tables. I can't see anybody giving a dealer a hard time, but that works two ways. Dealers shouldn't give their players a hard time, I don't care if you are having a bad day don't take it out on me!

so dicesitter says "study the game and practice your shooting" and superick says "winning comes from knowledge and skill when betting" and he says "I can't see anybody giving a dealer a hard time".

And I say make pass line and come bets or dp/dc with as much odds as your bankroll allows.

I guess that's it then, the readers of this thread can make up their own minds.

Quote: ontariodealer

maybe somebody here could enlighten me on how you win at craps using knowledge and skill when betting.

It's all in the first post! Just gotta play where they allow 10X odds on the 4 and 10!

Quote: Johnzimbo

It's all in the first post! Just gotta play where they allow 10X odds on the 4 and 10!

odds are neutral, long term.

Quote: Johnzimbo

It's all in the first post! Just gotta play where they allow 10X odds on the 4 and 10!

Those 10x odds places are sweat joints. Go play where they allow 20x odds.

Quote: rudeboyoi

Those 10x odds places are sweat joints. Go play where they allow 20x odds.

20 times odds? What sort of 2-bit operations are you going to? x100 odds, or they ain't playing the game right.

Didn't the Riviera used to advertise 1000x odds?