Craps AP play

Quote: 100xOdds

$200 buy-in
$10 passline/max odds on 3/4/5x table?

only 4x buy-in?

It could be a $2000 or $20,000 buy-in
basically a 20 units start bank and you gets to make that determination of the unit value

remember this is my game
I offer to the casino
double or nothing

My team does this 7 times for 5 days a week at 50 weeks a year = 35,000 games played

with my advantage I have about a 1 in 33 shot of not showing a profit (close to it)
remember, I claim to have an advantage over the casino with my tiny loss rebate that most times does not come into play
but I do not actually play this exact method too
it is a trick or treat

Quote: 100xOdds

Why not do Bold Play: 4/9 of bankroll, 4/9, 1/9?

not understanding your Bold PLay
I would think to bet all $200 one time, win or lose and repeat
that is bold play to me but the casino can easily figure out the advantage of a simple loss rebate
I want them to think about it

makes playing more fun!

Sally

more MLB over bets coming!

I cleaned up on the last two games!
Yahoo!!

Quote: dicesitter

Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally
$200 bank roll and starting position after point is set.......$60

more likely to be $40 or $50 and not $60
14/24 to be exact

Quote: dicesitter

That is over 30% of bank roll... this is not gambling this is disaster.

it is for my game I like to play
double or nothing with a loss rebate

have no fear when you play with an advantage
just keep on playing
so much fun!

Quote: dicesitter

here is another example of something like your doing, but I cant tell you it does not
work unless you regress.
<snip> <snip>

your method can double a 20 unit bankroll more often (and maybe as fast) as my method?
I do not see it

your bets are way too small
think BIG not small

Quote: dicesitter

I have seen way to many people come to the table with big money and end up with
no money .dicesetter

me too
for me

a 20 unit bankroll is big money and I double it more than 50% of the time
with that advantage, the more I play the chances of a lifetime profit increases

the more you play the chances of a lifetime profit decreases

only a 2 letter difference
more, more, more

Sally

Sally



I indicated you said you have a larger bank roll. I do however tend to want to comment
on ways of playing the game that will lead the vast majority of players to lose all their money.

You indicated you play with an advantage....I don't know if you do or don't, but I know you cant
get an advantage only by betting. and in terms of throwing the dice I know what kind of toss I have
and I have played with some pretty good players. and none....... repeat none... of them are good enough
or say they are good enough to double their starting position more often than not.

I would never say your not good enough to do this because I don't know you, but what I would say is the best
in the game cant do it, so your either kidding some or think your better than anyone else that has ever played
the game.

Either way I wont lose any sleep thinking I can double my money every time I go to the table.

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

You indicated you play with an advantage....I don't know if you do or don't, but I know you cant
get an advantage only by betting.

yes I do, that is where you are wrong in your thinking

I negotiate for my advantage.
Then I play and so does my team

It is the game I offer to the casino to play on their craps table

"double or nothing"

20 units into 40
or more popular
40 units into 80

even
playing with an advantage does not mean you win 90% of all your bets
It just means the more times I do play, the chances I have of being a lifetime winner at Craps increases

playing against an advantage as you play, and that is fun, imo,
just means the more times you play, the chances you have of being a lifetime winner at Craps decreases

still fun to play
simple simple simple
Sally

if you reach rebate mode and turn 1 unit into 2 and then 2 into 4 and 4 into 8 do you revert back to 1 unit with max odds?

or go for 8 into 16 and 16 into 32 and them 8 to get to 40?

Quote: bahdbwoy

if you reach rebate mode and turn 1 unit into 2 and then 2 into 4 and 4 into 8 do you revert back to 1 unit with max odds?

or go for 8 into 16 and 16 into 32 and them 8 to get to 40?

the rules I state are if
at 6 units to 33 units make a 1 unit bet and max 345x odds

under 6 units go all-in

over 33 units, say 34, bet 6 units on the come out roll and no odds
in other words, bet what it takes to hit the 40 target and never go over

it is the odds bet that gives the best chance to double without going over the target

game#1 world series starts real soon
oh, oh, oh
Sally

thats what i thought..

royals in 5

your kinda of funny.

The real good players cant even throw in many casino's because they worry about getting
beat. So you and your team are going to go to a casino and say hey, I have a proposition for
you, now this gives me a mathematical advantage over you to the point that the more
I play the more I will win. I am so sure this is good for me I want my entire to team to also play under
those conditions.

And the casino says...hey why did we not think of this, your welcome to play anytime.


Laughinnnngggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg


I would pay to see this in action. Your not telling the whole story.

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

The real good players

there are none
just another myth

Quote: dicesitter

cant even throw in many casino's because they worry about getting beat.

yes, I agrees that playing scared (being a worry wart too)
is really no fun and makes one lose more faster and faster

Quote: dicesitter

So you and your team are going to go to a casino and say hey,<snip>

already done for over a year
the money invested and well spent on road, water and school improvements... I am happy to say

Quote: dicesitter

I would pay to see this in action. Your not telling the whole story. dicesetter

I also had to pay to see this action
and many times we did not win and the casino laughed all the way to the bank

high roller perks are what they are
I just use the loss rebate and bet the don't pass with odds
I shared the advantage play using the pass line

trick or treat!
Sally

Quote: bahdbwoy

thats what i thought..

royals in 5

really?

tonight was another OVER!!
They laughed at me while in Primm making that bet
they really did
I even showed them my new purse I bought with my last over winnings and they laughed even louder
suckers

just maybe $20 says Royals lose the series to the Giants

Sally
one more

Sally




Your not making any sense at all.....none


1.... there certainly are good players, I have played with a number of them

2,,,,,when I was talking about being afraid to lose I meant the casino, I and others
have been asked not to throw many times..

3.....you still have not explained a bet where you have an advantage over the casino
and they agree to it.

4.....you went to the table with $200 . bet $40 or $50 and won enough to build roads,
water systems and schools??????????

4.....finally if your losing enough, the comps you get do not make up for that because
they don't replace the money that came out of your pocket

if there is a trick or treat anywhere in sight, it is what your peddling. It appears to me
all you want to do is gamble on some wild ride that has you winning quickly a few times and
the balance is "the many times we did not win and the casino laughed all the way to the bank"

Winning for a year does not make you a life time winner. I had two years in a row like that
but does not even come close to cover the losses I have had over time. You can not beat
the table over time, to many things change for you, but the house advantage never ends.

I don't care how you play, I don't even care that what you say makes no sense, but I hope
you don't encourage other newer players to lose all their money foolishly.


dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Sally




Your not making any sense at all.....none


1.... there certainly are good players, I have played with a number of them

2,,,,,when I was talking about being afraid to lose I meant the casino, I and others
have been asked not to throw many times..

3.....you still have not explained a bet where you have an advantage over the casino
and they agree to it.

4.....you went to the table with $200 . bet $40 or $50 and won enough to build roads,
water systems and schools??????????

4.....finally if your losing enough, the comps you get do not make up for that because
they don't replace the money that came out of your pocket

if there is a trick or treat anywhere in sight, it is what your peddling. It appears to me
all you want to do is gamble on some wild ride that has you winning quickly a few times and
the balance is "the many times we did not win and the casino laughed all the way to the bank"

Winning for a year does not make you a life time winner. I had two years in a row like that
but does not even come close to cover the losses I have had over time. You can not beat
the table over time, to many things change for you, but the house advantage never ends.

I don't care how you play, I don't even care that what you say makes no sense, but I hope
you don't encourage other newer players to lose all their money foolishly.


dicesetter

You have no idea what you're talking about. (BBB this is not an insult, this is truth.)

The edge sally gets in her game comes from the fact they give her money back on a loss.


If a casino has a promotion where they give you back 100% of your losses you incurs this weekend.....do you think you have an edge? (Yes you do, if played properly.) What if they offer a 50% reimbursement. Edge? Yes. Smaller edge? Yes. What Sally's doing is the same thing, with a few extra strings attached.

Rs


There are a couple of casino's where if you get a card and you have never had one before, they will repay half of
your first day loss up to a certain amount. Now the way it was explained to me is you cant get it all back the same
day, but over a couple of days.. I am not to clear on this.

But at any rate it still does not make any sense, no casino will give you an advantage strictly on a bet, I surely
am not saying Sally is not telling the truth, I am saying she is not telling the whole story. You cant bet $50 and
win enough to building roads, water systems and schools.. lord I wish you could...

And comps never make up for what you lose

dicesetter

Quote: dicesitter

Rs


There are a couple of casino's where if you get a card and you have never had one before, they will repay half of
your first day loss up to a certain amount. Now the way it was explained to me is you cant get it all back the same
day, but over a couple of days.. I am not to clear on this.

But at any rate it still does not make any sense, no casino will give you an advantage strictly on a bet, I surely
am not saying Sally is not telling the truth, I am saying she is not telling the whole story. You cant bet $50 and
win enough to building roads, water systems and schools.. lord I wish you could...

And comps never make up for what you lose

dicesetter

I only briefly read what Sally was saying. From what I gather, her team(how many is in her team?) has found a casino that will negotiate(how much how often?) some convoluted loss rebate that yields a small edge. Probably a substantial amount of efforts were put in and who know how much was lost prior to the negotiations. Lose and play enough the want you back.

IMO Sally has always seemed to make hints she was beating or APing craps and wanted very much to talk about it but couldn't . Perhaps this was something she was involved with and now its dried up.

I don't know what the deal is, it's hard to say. She oftentimes avoids direct answers. She often talks in riddles, gibberish, code or whatever you call it.
I didn't know if it's something she does to amuse herself, act intelligently funny and clever or she is just strange. perhaps all of the above.

Don't she just make an announcement that she was retiring from the forum because her nemesis left? Was that for attention?

Feel free to answer Sally.

come back sally...

Quote: bahdbwoy

come back sally...

With your husband 7craps lol.

Quote: bahdbwoy

come back sally...

I don't get it. She left for really no reason other than she had 1111 posts or something. I wonder if she is still here under a new name.

I see that she logged in a few days ago so probably no other name. I do miss her sarcasm.

Quote: GWAE

I don't get it. She left for really no reason other than she had 1111 posts or something. I wonder if she is still here under a new name.

I see that she logged in a few days ago so probably no other name. I do miss her sarcasm.

I miss her, too. I think she said 7craps is her uncle, not her husband, but I could be wrong.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I miss her, too. I think she said 7craps is her uncle, not her husband, but I could be wrong.

I believe she is back! And her math is as good as ever.

"see you at the craps table (remember, my shoes)"

Where's the rest of you?

Quote: dicesitter

Rs


There are a couple of casino's where if you get a card and you have never had one before, they will repay half of
your first day loss up to a certain amount. Now the way it was explained to me is you cant get it all back the same
day, but over a couple of days.. I am not to clear on this.

But at any rate it still does not make any sense, no casino will give you an advantage strictly on a bet, I surely
am not saying Sally is not telling the truth, I am saying she is not telling the whole story. You cant bet $50 and
win enough to building roads, water systems and schools.. lord I wish you could...

And comps never make up for what you lose

dicesetter

Totally disagree. There was a casino that offered 40-1 on 0 and 00 last year, max bet $120/number. That was a fun day.

Quote: tongni

Totally disagree. There was a casino that offered 40-1 on 0 and 00 last year, max bet $120/number. That was a fun day.

Yes that would be fun especially if you don't run bad. Ihave had much bigger edges and still lost.

Often times people get confused about betting systems VS AP. They believe b that it's impossible to beat certain casino games. They think the only games you can gain an advantage at is BJ and VP. BJ because of card counting and VP because they have over 100% game's.

If you tell them you had an advantage playing something like keno, they think you're crazy. I can see how it gets confusing if you don't realize where or how the advantage was recived. They just need to know there's no Betting System that can overcome the game itself.

I have to admit I found the AP play intriguing and I totally understand how loss rebates creates an edge. Is a regular Joe Schmo available to 'negotiate' a change in the rules of the game? I doubt it but I still found it entertaining to read about.

PS: No disrespect to anyone, but I must say that Sally's posts are very hard to read. It's almost as if plaintext was being fed to a "fortune cookie" cypher and then posted here. The patronizing tone of superiority didn't help, of course, but I'll presume there's a bit of "English as a second language" I'm not accounting for. In any event, my lurking will miss her hard-nose math!