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100xOdds
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September 27th, 2014 at 9:58:38 AM permalink
(besides the slight math advantage of DP over pass)

I'm switching to the darkside.

when I play Pass and get on a hot roll, I press about 40% of my winnings.
after the roll is over, there goes 40% of my profits. (and the casino just recovered some of their $ back.)

and it's stupid to take down your bets in the middle of the shooter's roll and just leave the Pass/Come flat bets there.


THe way I play Don't Pass is 1 big bet equivalent to the $ risked using 3point Betty strategy in Pass.

ie: $10min, 3/4/5x odds
with 3point Betty, I have an avg of $150 on the table

with Don't Pass, I have $20 DP/120 odds.


yeah, I know.. set a win limit. once you hit that limit, have the discipline to yell 'OFF' while playing Pass/Come on a hot roll.
I did that.
but it SUCKS when the shooter keeps on making #'s while i'm waiting for a '7' to kill my flat bets. (he made at least 6+ more #s.)

even tho I made my win limit, I didn't have that much fun.

Thus it has turned me to the Darkside.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
darthvader
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September 29th, 2014 at 6:11:16 AM permalink
Welcome to the darkside. It's a small, but exclusive club. Just remember that winning on the darkside is a grind. And you must have the discipline to limit your losses against a hot shooter.

Darth
7-out, line away, pay the don't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcwAWi6dk
odiousgambit
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September 29th, 2014 at 10:05:05 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

(besides the slight math advantage of DP over pass)

I'm switching to the darkside.

when I play Pass and get on a hot roll, I press about 40% of my winnings.
after the roll is over, there goes 40% of my profits. (and the casino just recovered some of their $ back.)



Recently I did well with darkside betting by limiting my action the same as rightside, where I only want two numbers to resolve at once normally.

Previously, if I built up numbers to resolve on the darkside, I was thinking "hey this has to be good, odds on my side, pile em up". It's clear to me now, though, that it is still too much in action, I was getting burned.

Do that and you should be alright.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
dicesitter
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September 29th, 2014 at 9:19:01 PM permalink
Darkside



Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay... that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.


dicesetter
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September 30th, 2014 at 6:15:47 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Darkside

Sally has about the best option foir darkside wins. Avoid the come out crap and lay against
the point. You have a 59-41 advantage. However i would not lay the 4 or 10 because you
only get half of your lay... that more than offsets the 59-41 advantage.

dicesetter



huh?
don't pass has a lower house edge.
~.3% vs 2.44% for Laying the 4/10 (higher HE for 5/9 and 6/8)

you're bucking the math?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
odiousgambit
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September 30th, 2014 at 8:19:50 AM permalink
actually I think you have to watch Sally, she says things just to get you going [esp males]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
mustangsally
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September 30th, 2014 at 9:09:36 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

actually I think you have to watch Sally, she says things just to get you going [esp males]

not all craps games offered in every casino in the world uses dice. many here in CA use cards, and that offers +EV for those that like +EV

I do not get male shooters going...

I just ask them if they are going to 7out before hitting their point, right after they establish their point

they get themselves going (and my bankroll going up)

and, imo, it is not at all difficult to win your Lay bets way more than a one time probability says
I say it is real easy (but I do understand males will not understand this, and that is OK too)
============================================
but from a book I have not read but looked at in Google Books

The Complete Idiot's Guide to Gambling Like a Pro
By Stanford Wong, Susan Spector

Craps (with 2 dice and I figure NO cards) is under the chance and skill heading

here


S Wong says ...
"knowing HOW and WHEN to place your bets is a workable skill"...

for me (Idiot)
In my opinion, I believe too

I mean
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Gambling Like a Pro

Sally
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September 30th, 2014 at 10:10:09 AM permalink
Quote: darthvader

Welcome to the darkside. It's a small, but exclusive club. Just remember that winning on the darkside is a grind. And you must have the discipline to limit your losses against a hot shooter.

Darth




Darkside for 3 years and one month. Have won 26 out of 35 trips. I know, pure luck but better to be lucky VS depleted bankroll! I also know about "THE LONG RUN"....
For me, (Doey/Don't) Don't pass w/full odds. (Almost always full odds at least) No high fives just low fives with my friends after a win. The way I play the math says I should lose 1000 an hour or more. The dice haven't listened to the math yet.

There was one time I was down, so just before my flight I went to down to the table at Encore and watched for a few minutes saw a lady make a point then another one so I said why not. Put 25 on the pass with full odds (Which is about 1000 less than my usual bet on the don't) 320 across. 40 min later walked with 7k. Left at least 2k on the table. Dammit!

What gets me is all the other 10 players won but with 500, 1000, 1500 and another guy 2000 and the others with between 300 and 800. why don't players try to maximize these rolls? There were a few players just putting money on the pass with odds? There were probably 100 numbers rolled. Yes, a win is a win I know but sheeesh.

So in conclusion, you really never know but darkside IS the way to go if you are playing a game like craps. Barring any unforeseen situation like a 40 min roll of course. Hate having a good shooter roll 6 or 8 numbers and leaving all your money on the table when the 7 comes up.
RogerKint
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September 30th, 2014 at 10:29:28 AM permalink
Dark side is the way. My most recent craps session was on an empty table. I put my matchplay coupon on the don't pass, rolled aces, took my money and chirped out. I was so super stoked on myself. The best dice control is not picking them up.
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dicesitter
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September 30th, 2014 at 10:40:51 AM permalink
Mustangally


I still think your method of playing the dont is a good way.

Now having said that, i think we need to play sometime..... we each take the same amount of starting money
and as i throw you can lay against any point i attempt to make, i will do the same for you and we will see
who has the most money at the end.

that would be fun

The next best thing is just take money from the casino, that is not bad either.

Dicesetter

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