Question pertaining to Casino Craps for Beginnersand come bets.

Quote: odiousgambit

well, Rocky, I can't tell if you paid any attention to what I have said ... don't blame you, a lot of folks are throwing a lot of things at you. And that's just here at this site.

And who is Odiousgambit anyway? He's not the Wizard.

I just ask: reflect on it now, and see if I have imparted any wisdom.

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*not all of this advice is Wizard approved. [I judge not much of it]. You do know who the Wizard is?

*picture a guy wandering in the wilderness. That resonate yet?

*let me repeat that. A Guy Wandering in the Wilderness. Sound like you?

*it really is true that the guy is wandering past those places that he needs to go.

one of those places

https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/ Yep, don't pass this by. Try your best to understand everything he says here. Just chuck out everything you think you've learned and start over here.

and another thing

You're going to the casino every chance you get without any bankroll to speak of. What's wrong with this picture?

Well that does kinda answer the question.

Rocky's way way way out in the wilderness,,,,,,,,,,,,and he's still wrong?

Probably stepping in bear poop too.

Why am I way out in the wilderness? I am not going to the casino ever chance I get. I have been there twice since I started this thread. Both times I have documented my experiences. I am at home and have been at home since my second trip studying and reading whatever I can get my hands on. For the most part I understand this game. The stuff I don't know I hope to learn by posting, reading, and through experience. The biggest thing I need to learn now is money management and how to manage my bankroll properly. I have also been putting different strategies to work in wincraps.

Quote: grimreaper1014

Why am I way out in the wilderness?

It's a wilderness of varying advice ... I can tell some of it is bad, can you? A guy wandering in the wilderness probably cannot [nothing personal]. 'Wandering' is as key to this as the 'wilderness'. Such a guy often wanders past those places that will get you out [sound advice, at wizard of odds dot com, is just around the corner]. It sounded like you.

Quote: grimreaper1014

I am not going to the casino ever chance I get.

You gave me that impression. Sorry if it is inaccurate. If you are not replenishing your bankroll by dubious means, still have the original, then you need not take any flak for going as often as you like. Of course I assume that your income does not replenish it quickly, from the way you have been talking.

Ahh I got ya now. I normally take what people say with a grain of salt. When a few people tell me the same thing or something a person said seams like it makes good sense then I will put it to use in wincraps or something similar first. Then, see if I like it. I actually visit wizardofodds a lot. That is where I use to get my advice for blackjack and poker. It is also one of his videos that taught me the basics in craps. I have been doing a lot of reading there as well as other places and my books. I have been sticking to the same betting style as it seams good and has been working fine for me. After reading some things in my books I do plan on changing things up a bit though my next visit to the casino.

You are correct my current income does not allow me to replenish my bankroll as often as I would like. However, I am working on a way to correct that. I plan on taking on more steadier work and putting back a percentage of my income solely for playing craps. It is hard for me to replenish my bankroll at the current time because my job has not been consistent and I am only working part time and going to school. Plus I am trying to raise my 11 year old which I have full time and do not receive any help with. Therefore, trying to learn a game like craps right now might not have been the best idea lol. I do sale dogs though on the side and still have 4 pups left which provides me with some extra money to gamble.

Quote: grimreaper1014

For the most part I understand this game.

yes!

Quote: grimreaper1014

The stuff I don't know I hope to learn by posting, reading, and through experience.

you will catch on real fast, except for that dice control stuff

Quote: grimreaper1014

The biggest thing I need to learn now <snip> <snip>

first think "hmmm, why am I playing this craps game right now?"
should be for fun and

is it, max time at table or highest chance to double my bankroll?

if neither of the above, anything goes, just have fun

Quote: grimreaper1014

I have also been putting different strategies to work in wincraps.

yes!!
please be kind to that program (oh, what version you using?)

back to playing with my cash winnings from last night craps dance
Sally

Quote: grimreaper1014

Why am I way out in the wilderness? I am not going to the casino ever chance I get. I have been there twice since I started this thread. Both times I have documented my experiences. I am at home and have been at home since my second trip studying and reading whatever I can get my hands on. For the most part I understand this game. The stuff I don't know I hope to learn by posting, reading, and through experience. The biggest thing I need to learn now is money management and how to manage my bankroll properly. I have also been putting different strategies to work in wincraps.

Sometimes this board is like that kids game where you get a dozen of them in a row and you whisper something in one of their ears and they pass the message and the next and then the last one states what they heard. Everyone laughs because invariably along the route the message has changed.

This was my take on where I thought the thread had progressed too. [note I am often wrong] but it makes sense to me at the time of my posting. Here goes.

There is an old joke about if a tree falls and no ones around does it still make noise. Moving ahead the joke morphed to " if a man is alone in the forest and there is no woman around is he still wrong", and for a kicker theres always does a bear shit in the woods.

Now read OG's post. If you go back a dozen posts or so and read and feel the flow, or it seems to me there sorta is one? I think I might be guilty by associaton of a partial threadjacking? It was fun. It always is until somebody loses an eye.


I hope my post makes sense now,

If you are making an income from selling puppies, do you do that often?

You seem to be doing well with craps and progressing rapidly. I made more money from craps before I learned how to play, now I tell people I'm doing it for the entertainment.

Quote: grimreaper1014

Therefore, trying to learn a game like craps right now might not have been the best idea lol.

No "lol" matter, given what you say re: your current obligations and shortness of income. You sound like a young fellow, so my advice is to forget about gambling in all its forms until you get more stability in your income, etc. However, you still have found time to play BJ & poker, so I assume you want to gamble, period. I think you need to reconsider what you've been doing.

My income (being retired) isn't great, either. I've set aside $600 in cash to gamble with, buying in for $200/session. After almost 2 years & 60 sessions, w/ the betting style we've talked about, my $600 cash stash is still intact, altho technically, I'm down $11 in that time. As most writers have said, esp. Orlyn, keep your gambling funds separate from your regular funds, a first rule of good money management.

(Preach, preach, preach.) After paying your bills, your 1st obligation is to contribute to your retirement and build up savings for an emergency fund. Then, w/ what's left, set aside funds for your gambling. Until you get to that point, don't gamble. I'm not talking addiction here, simply setting priorities. If you're already doing all this, good for you, but so far it hasn't sounded like it.

Well, I just finished reading my first book on craps. Learn to play CRAPS from Part-Time Dice Pros by C. "Judge" Johnson with Bryan Bonshell. It was a pretty good book and interesting enough to keep my attention. It really helped me get a better idea of how to play this game. One thing it really didn't help me out with was betting strategy. Most of the betting techniques are too high risk for me. The low risk ones are for betting the Don't or Dark Side. I don't think it would be a good idea for me to play the Don't or Dark side as it would require me to put up more money to win. Therefore, putting more money at risk each roll. With my starting bankroll ($200) I don't think this would be the best way to maximize play time and minimize risk. Therefore, I am still searching for the perfect strategy to suite "me".

Sally - Right now I am using the free version. I do plan to purchase the paid version here shortly.

Petro - Yes I make money from selling my puppies. However, right now I just have one male and one female which limits me to one litter per 6 months. I do plan to eventually possibly pick up another female which would allow me to have two litters per six months. I sell the puppies for $750 each and I had 10 puppies this litter. This was the first litter for me and my dogs. I still have 4 male pups left.

Sonny - For me gambling is my way of having fun. I don't really get to do much else in my free time except gambling and getting involved in my sons sports which I love to do. I do have money set aside specifically for gambling. I do not use it for any other reason. Then, I also have money set aside for other expenses like bills and emergencies. I normally take my income from work to pay my pills and use money from my dogs to pick up the slack. Then, if I have anything left over I add that to my gambling bankroll. Another thing I do is I give my son money from my winnings. I also give my gram money from my winnings as well for watching my son from time to time. If I should lose my gambling bankroll I will not gamble until I have adequate money set aside to do so. I do understand what you mean though. I wish I had something more stable going where I could add money to my bankroll on a weekly basis. That would be great!

Quote: grimreaper1014

Sally - Right now I am using the free version. I do plan to purchase the paid version here shortly.

I mean Pro or Classic?
as one always downloads the free version first before registration if that ever happens

I use Classic almost all the time even though I helped convert about 500+ auto-bet files to Pro and tested them for use.
I like the auto-play feature in Classic way better than the Pro one
Classic +2
Pro +1

if you have Pro, the auto-bet files can be made in any text file and shared instantly, a nice feature
Classic - must share the file or make it yourself from a text of the file

play to have fun at craps
if you win, well you just had more fun

with your small bankroll (mine = $600,000) means make one bet max at a time and wait it out
"maximize play time and minimize risk"
no odds just cheering
Sally

Quote: mustangsally

I mean Pro or Classic?
as one always downloads the free version first before registration if that ever happens

I use Classic almost all the time even though I helped convert about 500+ auto-bet files to Pro and tested them for use.
I like the auto-play feature in Classic way better than the Pro one
Classic +2
Pro +1

if you have Pro, the auto-bet files can be made in any text file and shared instantly, a nice feature
Classic - must share the file or make it yourself from a text of the file

play to have fun at craps
if you win, well you just had more fun

with your small bankroll (mine = $600,000) means make one bet max at a time and wait it out
"maximize play time and minimize risk"
no odds just cheering
Sally

Wow Sally, you are quite prolific. Of the 500+ auto-bet files that you helped to convert, how many were initially written in Classic, by you?

Quote: MaxSwelle

Wow Sally, you are quite prolific.
Of the 500+ auto-bet files that you helped to convert, how many were initially written in Classic, by you?

1
and I named it test.bet

most of the others were by my uncle who helped Steen with the Pro version testing and suggestions
so he says

Sally

Quote: mustangsally

1
and I named it test.bet

most of the others were by my uncle who helped Steen with the Pro version testing and suggestions
so he says

Sally

It's a safe assumption on my part that you do not subscribe any craps betting system. That being established, why participate in the creation or use of Wincraps or any other craps sim. And, how the eff did you grow a bankroll to $600k playing craps? Kudos lady!

Oh and may I have all of your auto-bet files, for Classic? I much prefer Classic.

Quote: MaxSwelle

It's a safe assumption on my part that you do not subscribe any craps betting system.

how safe do you want to be?
It is known by some that I know when to Lay against a point and I win more often than average.
I say it is just being female.
us girls
we got the beat!

Quote: MaxSwelle

That being established, why participate in the creation or use of Wincraps or any other craps sim.

to help to learn advanced math concepts
like Risk of Ruin and probabilities of Doubling one's bankroll.
so many are clueless, even the vast majority of the self-proclaimed experts are way wrong on this
yes, I won't name the big names, but we know them

Quote: MaxSwelle

And, how the eff did you grow a bankroll to $600k playing craps? Kudos lady!

I mentioned before my first $400 bankroll was busted.
I started my second one of $5000 and that has gone to just over $600k.
Not all was won at Craps.
sure, I hit a nice scratch-off Lotto here in CA

many still call me
Lucky Sally

Well, I went to the casino yesterday. I have been practicing with different sets and have quite a few of them mastered. I use the all 7's set for come out roll unless I have come bets up. I hit the 7 every time at least once on the come out roll. I'm good at using the hardway set and throw a lot of hardways with it and damn near always hit my point when its 10 or 4 with it. I have also been using the 3v for 6's and 8's which has been working pretty good as well. I plan on getting a test rig for practicing throws for my b-day oct 14th. Maybe even sooner as I have someone lined up to purchase a puppy today. I had an overall fun day at the casino yesterday. I ended up getting $80 ahead and should of left but decided to buy in with $50 more a little later and played for a few more hours on that $50. Never really got up with it just stayed alive and eventually lost it. I did get a comp buffet out the deal yesterday though too lol. Overall alot of fun and got to practice a good bit without losing my arse lol.

I feel that I am now ready and have a good strategy to start playing craps regularly. I do need to practice a little more on my dice sets and delivery which I think everyone does. Also, a little work on modifying my betting strategy. I think I am going to start always having at least a dollar on the hardways or more when I'm shooting. I hit them damn things so much but never play them as it has been instilled in my head that the center bets are sucker bets. I think I need to rethink that logic at least when it comes to the hardways as they seam to last a lot longer up there.

I am using WinCraps Classic Sally. I am still trying to get the hang of it. I have just been playing the game regularly and practicing some different strategies. I have no clue how to use the auto-betting and stuff you were talking about or scripts. I need to tear into that help file one day. I have just been so interested in these books that I got. I am working on reading the one Sonny recommended to me now by Orlyn no-nonsense craps.

Just got back from the casino. I won $375 profit. I cashed out with $450 and had $25 in my pocket that I forgot about. My bankroll has almost doubled. I am now sitting on like $900.

mustangsally



that nice scratch off win of $580,000 surely helped your bankroll of $600,000 won
at (craps)

BUt at any rate I am very glad you did win because it is nice to see people come
out ahead.

You are right in saying that many and possibly most people dont win at craps because
they dont understand the game.You watch a typical table full of players demanding you
hit your point, and if i am on a non bonus bet table, i would rather not hit my point and keep
repeating numbers because i get paid on every roll, rather than every other if i hit the point.

Putting aside your male orientation problem, i would say that either a male or a female would win
more money on the table if they actually watched what was happneing at the table rather than
coming to the table with one single predetermined way to play the game. Now you may be correct
in saying the male ego makes it harder for men to change course during a session than a female
because we all know females are wrong more often so changing course in midterm is something
they are more used to. ( i am not sure there is any hard data on that, just an observation) .

However, When i see
a well endowed female with a low cut top learning over the table i assume she is trying to change the
shape of something or just get more air. Now whether that means it is time to bet againt a male
shooter i am not sure, but it does change the table, it may make other women players uncomfortable,
some maybe even more confortable, make it harder for some men to get close to the table.

It sure as hell makes all players pay more attention to the game which is all ever want, even if she is
laying the point against me.


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