Craps Math

Quote: Sonny44

<snip>Nothing more. You can simulate out to 10 million, 20 million, infinity. It's irrelevant when you're at the table with your $100, $200, etc., buy-in.

I say it is relevant

G123 asked about what is better to double a bankroll and
used a Roulette example and asked if craps was the same

He also used $100 as the bankroll for Roulette
maybe he buys-in with $100, I do not know

If he wants to give an example of a bankroll to start with,
I can EASILY calculate and simulate the chances of which method of play doubles bankrolls more often

$10 pass with 345x odds
or
$5 pass/345x odds and 1 $5 come bet with 345x odds

I can also throw in the don't pass with 345x odds too, as that system would win outright, imo

It will be the fewer larger bet that wins the prize, imo


If he wants to use $100 start bank, that is so easy, but maybe he wants another buy-in of $200 or different value

all values are welcomed by me

Quote: Sonny44

The only math he needs to know is that the HA is lowest on the PL, Come, DP, DC.

I say the HA is the lowest on the odds bets
right at 0%

There are also Buy and Lay bets that have a lower HA than the 4 line bets you listed

hmmm, I wonder why you did not mention them

Quote: Sonny44

Whether he wants to put his bet on one number or several numbers doesn't matter.

when it comes to doubling a bankroll, yes it does matter
and that is the answer he was searching for

I say yes and you say no

we now need a bankroll from G123 and the proof will be in the results
simple math only so all can understand

opinions are still welcomed

this is fun Ahigh
Sally

Well, apparently, Sally, G123 got the info he was looking for. I went on his basic question of whether 1 PL w/ odds bet is better than 1 PL w/ odds & 1 come w/ odds bet, given the same amount of money. I say it's a push, you say not. It all depends on how the dice are rolling, whether the session is 15 min. or 8 hours.

I walked into a session, betting $10 PL w/ full 345x odds & went broke in 30 min. on a $300 buy-in. Utterly stupid. It doesn't matter that the math is with you when you bet. What matters is whether or not your number(s) show before the 7. Simple as that & I hope G123 is listening.

Quote: Sonny44

Well, apparently, Sally, G123 got the info he was looking for. I went on his basic question of whether 1 PL w/ odds bet is better than 1 PL w/ odds & 1 come w/ odds bet, given the same amount of money. I say it's a push, you say not. It all depends on how the dice are rolling, whether the session is 15 min. or 8 hours.

I walked into a session, betting $10 PL w/ full 345x odds & went broke in 30 min. on a $300 buy-in. Utterly stupid. It doesn't matter that the math is with you when you bet. What matters is whether or not your number(s) show before the 7. Simple as that & I hope G123 is listening.

The way the dice present themselves can remain irrational much longer than I can remain solvent

Quote: mustangsally

I say it is relevant

I say the HA is the lowest on the odds bets
right at 0%.

opinions are still welcomed

Cool, imo. If the odds "bets" are actually bets then I say the vig on the the buy is also a bet. I think that is the best bet in the house, the vig on the buy on the 4/10, what is the ha on said vig?

part deux, If I thought I had dice mo-jo, which sometimes I think I do [male over 35-40 etc.] I would look at the passline bet [when offered the dice] as the vig, so I can get my real bets out there.

I think all the old guys that are dice tossing afficionados that read these threads are now all looking over their shoulders for some cutie wanting to know if a 7 will be coming shortly, especially wearing "the shoes" and betting to lay the point.

thanks Sally, fun, yes it is

Quote: mustangsally

now,
I know you must be a pass/odds and place bet player from your system, I wonder why you went that route
instead of come bets and place bets and using "down with odds" after a win



Sally

My money management technique has to use both pass/odds AND place bets. It could be done with just place bets though. Come bets don't work for the system...and to explain I would have to give you an overview of the philosophy of the whole thing. Yes...it has a philosophy.

>>>points sounds funny for american baseball
>>>teams score runs
>>>a run
...........Sorry, I'm not too familiar with sports terminology, I'm just trying to turn the math into money.


>>>I did not use a bookie
>>>I emailed a friend to make the bet for me in Las Vegas
...............That lets me out. No friends in Vegas....or any where else.


>>>here is what I looked at covers.com



>>>the final score



So this 749 and 453 stuff gets complicated but bear with my Central Core math:

The 749 is close to 750.
The 453 is close to 450.
So we can ignore the 50s and just deal with 700 and 400.
7 minus 4 is 3..........and 3 is 30 percent..
So approximately 30 percent More People bet OVER than bet UNDER, so
you, in also betting over, bet on the favorite and won.

Is that it?

Quote: FleaStiff

So this 749 and 453 stuff gets complicated but bear with my Central Core math:

The 749 is close to 750.
The 453 is close to 450.
So we can ignore the 50s and just deal with 700 and 400.
7 minus 4 is 3..........and 3 is 30 percent..
So approximately 30 percent More People bet OVER than bet UNDER, so
you, in also betting over, bet on the favorite and won.

Is that it?

yes
There are odds set for the totals too
I thought all knew this

over 7 could be the favorite and you have to bet more to win less
under 7 could also be a favorite but many times will be the underdog
and the lines move too with more betting

here is a better example for tomorrow


the under 6.5 is the favorite and you can bet 125 to win 100 (returns $225)
I say the game will be a slug fest
so, I bet $100 and the game proves I was right I win $105 (plus me $100)

one can also bet the game winner
StL is the fav

also one can bet the run spread (always 1.5 runs)

StL wins by 2 or more, every $100 bet returns $275
in this case they are the underdog to win by 2 or more runs

Giants now have to win the series to have a CA team in the WS
Angels and Dodgers just wanted to enjoy the great weather we have in SoCal
Beach and BBQ

Sally