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DeMango
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August 18th, 2014 at 7:57:50 AM permalink
This is the most worthless poll since the peoples choice was "I am a bigot"
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
Ayecarumba
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August 18th, 2014 at 8:36:54 AM permalink
If you had a poll option of, "I don't care if I have to wait, as long as I make a boatload of money" it would certainly lead the poll. Players don't mind waiting as long as they are winning. If your variants reduce payouts or increase the house edge on the traditional game, I fear they will ultimately fail. It makes it harder to win compared to the alternatives.

Can any variant reduce the house edge on traditional Craps any further, and still find a casio manager willing to try it? The loss on the edge would have to be made up in volume. Can your games lower the house edge and raise the total player exposure?

Nevertheless, I wish you luck with your new ideas. Keep moving forward.
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DeMango
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August 18th, 2014 at 8:53:23 AM permalink
The only improvement to craps would be the ability to buy extreme numbers while still in the game of craps, not crapless. Would a casino give up a horn bet vig for a buy bet with a 1-2% vig? I'm not holding my breath. Of course you could have both, crapless does, and some fools do make horn bets playing crapless.
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Ahigh
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August 18th, 2014 at 8:59:08 AM permalink
Most people want a 50/50 chance to win because it's hard to understand other chances to win for most people. The further off it goes, in either direction, the fewer people will understand the bet.

The beauty of craps is that many people think they still have closer to a 50/50 chance to win after the point is established and continue betting accordingly.

The whole notion of losing EV on a pass line bet or a come bet that travels is foreign to more than 50% of all craps players.
mustangsally
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August 18th, 2014 at 11:48:33 AM permalink
Quote: NewToCraps

The math says 8.5 times for Casino Craps, but the variants that I am working on change the math ...

the main purpose of the first one I posted was to lengthen a shooters roll ...
the math says 20.3 times for 2nd Chance Crapssm, which is a lot more ! (Thanks for the math work mustangsally)

One can easily calculate these values too.

Just multiply

the average number of pass decisions (come out rolls or games) per shooter (7out)
that simply = 1/prob of a 7out

by

the average number of rolls per game (pass decisions)

Don Catlin shows here how easily this can be done using a data table
http://catlin.casinocitytimes.com/article/how-long-is-a-craps-roll-1240

The rest is hertory!
Sally

Oh, more 7 outs per shooter
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mustangsally
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August 18th, 2014 at 12:10:36 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Can any variant reduce the house edge on traditional Craps any further, and still find a casio manager willing to try it?

a variant on traditional Craps
I say yes

"and still find a casio manager willing to try it?"
and yes
no problem

many Casio managers can also be found at a local Karaoke night event.
I know of many

Quote: Ayecarumba

The loss on the edge would have to be made up in volume.

on a variant of regular craps?
not always on multi-roll bets
Quote: Ayecarumba

Can your games lower the house edge and raise the total player exposure?

to me it looks like they (new dice Craps games)
do just that

As the house edge goes down the EV goes up

name that tune!

Sally
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mustangsally
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August 18th, 2014 at 12:29:03 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

The beauty of craps is that many people think they still have closer to a 50/50 chance to win after the point is established and continue betting accordingly.

#1) How is that beautiful in your expert opinion?

#2) are you Ahigh a craps expert?
yes
or
no

I really think NewToCraps is a craps expert
he is just acting the part of a newbie to gain some advantage


#3) do you Ahigh have your simulation completed yet?

can one really have sex with their dice?

my guitar (vintage 1976. Nice curves!)

Sally... Oh
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petroglyph
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August 18th, 2014 at 12:45:17 PM permalink
@Sally,

Thanks for sharing
NowTheSerpent
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August 18th, 2014 at 9:31:14 PM permalink
A Steely Dan man?
NowTheSerpent
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August 18th, 2014 at 9:58:33 PM permalink
Quote: NewToCraps

The math says 8.5 times for Casino Craps, but the variants that I am working on change the math ...

the main purpose of the first one I posted was to lengthen a shooters roll ...
the math says 20.3 times for 2nd Chance Crapssm, which is a lot more ! (Thanks for the math work mustangsally)

I'm asking because I have a couple other game ideas that I am working on, and there are a lot of different opinions about shooting time. I want to see what the MASSES would prefer.

Hope you voted above .... thanks



Show how 2nd Chance Craps offers the player a more nostalgic and comfortable and sexier game than standard Craps with a per capita gain index better than 42.7 to make up for the loss of the Classic table that you're shoving out the door to make way for this 250-lb. canary that alienates homesick sharpshooters. The main objections to new games probably have nothing to do with game math or even simplicity. They mostly arise from the difference in enthusiasm between designers and players. Many gamblers have a bad attitude about some novel variant of the game they already "fit into". Personally, as a dice-dealer, I don't like to feel like a Ridley Scott space cadet on a distant planet or in some mechanistic future casino playing some game that "reminds" me of Craps while not actually being Craps at all.

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