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Can any variant reduce the house edge on traditional Craps any further, and still find a casio manager willing to try it? The loss on the edge would have to be made up in volume. Can your games lower the house edge and raise the total player exposure?

Nevertheless, I wish you luck with your new ideas. Keep moving forward.

The beauty of craps is that many people think they still have closer to a 50/50 chance to win after the point is established and continue betting accordingly.

The whole notion of losing EV on a pass line bet or a come bet that travels is foreign to more than 50% of all craps players.

One can easily calculate these values too.Quote:NewToCrapsThe math says 8.5 times for Casino Craps, but the variants that I am working on change the math ...

the main purpose of the first one I posted was to lengthen a shooters roll ...

the math says 20.3 times for 2nd Chance Craps^{sm}, which is a lot more ! (Thanks for the math work mustangsally)

Just multiply

the average number of pass decisions (come out rolls or games) per shooter (7out)

that simply = 1/prob of a 7out

by

the average number of rolls per game (pass decisions)

Don Catlin shows here how easily this can be done using a data table

http://catlin.casinocitytimes.com/article/how-long-is-a-craps-roll-1240

The rest is hertory!

Sally

Oh, more 7 outs per shooter

a variant on traditional CrapsQuote:AyecarumbaCan any variant reduce the house edge on traditional Craps any further, and still find a casio manager willing to try it?

I say yes

"and still find a casio manager willing to try it?"

and yes

no problem

many Casio managers can also be found at a local Karaoke night event.

I know of many

on a variant of regular craps?Quote:AyecarumbaThe loss on the edge would have to be made up in volume.

not always on multi-roll bets

to me it looks like they (new dice Craps games)Quote:AyecarumbaCan your games lower the house edge and raise the total player exposure?

do just that

As the house edge goes down the EV goes up

name that tune!

Sally

#1) How is that beautiful in your expert opinion?Quote:AhighThe beauty of craps is that many people think they still have closer to a 50/50 chance to win after the point is established and continue betting accordingly.

#2) are you Ahigh a craps expert?

yes

or

no

I really think NewToCraps is a craps expert

he is just acting the part of a newbie to gain some advantage

#3) do you Ahigh have your simulation completed yet?

can one really have sex with their dice?

my guitar (vintage 1976. Nice curves!)

Sally... Oh

Thanks for sharing

Quote:NewToCrapsThe math says 8.5 times for Casino Craps, but the variants that I am working on change the math ...

the main purpose of the first one I posted was to lengthen a shooters roll ...

the math says 20.3 times for 2nd Chance Craps^{sm}, which is a lot more ! (Thanks for the math work mustangsally)

I'm asking because I have a couple other game ideas that I am working on, and there are a lot of different opinions about shooting time. I want to see what the MASSES would prefer.

Hope you voted above .... thanks

Show how 2nd Chance Craps offers the player a more nostalgic and comfortable and sexier game than standard Craps with a per capita gain index better than 42.7 to make up for the loss of the Classic table that you're shoving out the door to make way for this 250-lb. canary that alienates homesick sharpshooters. The main objections to new games probably have nothing to do with game math or even simplicity. They mostly arise from the difference in enthusiasm between designers and players. Many gamblers have a bad attitude about some novel variant of the game they already "fit into". Personally, as a dice-dealer, I don't like to feel like a Ridley Scott space cadet on a distant planet or in some mechanistic future casino playing some game that "reminds" me of Craps while not actually being Craps at all.