People like to see you lose
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Quote: DeucekiesI've had someone vulture over me on Pai Gow just because he wanted my seat. Even though I was the only player at the table, I was in "his" seat.
Don't give up the seat.
Sell it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleYour imagination is running overtime and probably contrary to most people watching. People like watching winners and crowds don't build up to watch people losing.
The only time I see people attempt to watch a hot table is when it's already packed and people are screaming because there's a hot shooter (but usually they can't see anything because the table is too packed). Unlike the Temptations song, it is not "just my imagination running away from me"
Quote: spadeknightHow can someone cause you to seven out???? just curious
Interrupt the rhythm, just like the tray lizard.
Closer to topic: Has anyone ever wished for the dice to be so cruel that it wipes out some of the hot shot, dealer pumping, prop players that slow the game down? Maybe I'm the only one. I play a long game, a very disciplined pass line and two come bets, all with full odds. I can survive most downturns and do actually wish for a cold streak when the action gets too slow.
On topic: Yes, I notice that I wish for some players to lose, and I feel good when they do. I am also one who feels that some of the bets on the craps table should never be played, so when someone collects on them I refer to it as "Rewarding bad behavior,"
Quote: ThenWhatHappensOn topic: Yes, I notice that I wish for some players to lose, and I feel good when they do. I am also one who feels that some of the bets on the craps table should never be played, so when someone collects on them I refer to it as "Rewarding bad behavior,"
they lose more often than they don't, and someone has to keep the lights on for those of us who try not to.
feeling good when anyone loses is kinda dickish imho, except when the casino loses. :)
Quote: loldongs...and someone has to keep the lights on for those of us who try not to.
To paraphrase someone here (Babs?): If they weren't making money on it, they wouldn't spread the game.
There is very little money to be made in a game where every bet is a line bet. The house has a small advantage, but out of that must come the dealer salaries, electricity, cost of the table, etc. And consider the opportunity cost to the casino of a bank of 10 slot machines where that craps table sits. Line bets are the price the casino pays to be able to offer the center bets.
Quote: Daddydoc"Line bets are the price the casino pays to be able to offer the center bets."
That one's a keeper!
That's true, but for 10 people playing those bets, there are more gambling at higher edges, because the tables are full. There is almost always 10 empty slot machines in a casino, so 10 extra slots won't produce more money necessarily. People might arrive at the casino intending to play craps, but wind up doing something else.Quote: DaddydocTo paraphrase someone here (Babs?): If they weren't making money on it, they wouldn't spread the game.
There is very little money to be made in a game where every bet is a line bet. The house has a small advantage, but out of that must come the dealer salaries, electricity, cost of the table, etc. And consider the opportunity cost to the casino of a bank of 10 slot machines where that craps table sits. Line bets are the price the casino pays to be able to offer the center bets.
Quote: bodyforlifeI'm convinced of it, and have observed this for quite some time while playing craps. I call it the Evil Knievel syndrome. People that used to watch him do his daredevil stunts would often comment that they were only watching to see if he could indeed jump over all those buses. But in reality, they wanted to see if he crashed. So how many of you have played craps and noticed that people will watch you as long as you are losing, but more times than not, when you get on a hot streak, they tend to walk away. I had the same thing happen on a trip this weekend. I hit 3 points and knocked out 6-7 come wagers along the way and the guy walked away in disgust. I'm guessing their mentality is if people are losing, it makes them feel better because they're not the dumb schmuck who just lost his bankroll. But if the shooter is winning, it annoys them because they aren't part of the action.
Generally, people like to watch people win not lose. They like to see big action and dream that it was their own winnings. The people that like to watch people lose are the insecure miserable lowlifes that don't know how to win and are envious of others.
The guy who shook his head in disgust and walked away while you were winning was either pissed that he wasn't on the roll, or just a miserable guy who had an evil soul.... and maybe didn't like you either.. haha
Quote: WatchMeWinGenerally, people like to watch people win not lose. They like to see big action and dream that it was their own winnings. The people that like to watch people lose are the insecure miserable lowlifes that don't know how to win and are envious of others.
Not always!
I was staying at a casino hotel one night and playing some Craps for the table minimum (of course), Pass Line with 2x Odds, Placing 6/8 for the minimum. Anyway, some clown comes up to the table talking about rigged decks at Blackjack and cussing out the Craps crew (for whatever reason) even though he had apparently won a good bit at Craps earlier in the night and lost it at Blackjack.
He had a few black chips still with him, though I can't remember the exact amount (I think $400) and I established a Point of 10. He put his remaining chips on the, "Lay Four," and continued to berate the crew for no good reason. My first roll after that was inconsequential, but then my next one was a four, I just looked at the guy, grinned, and said, "Have a good night!"
Quote: Mission146Not always!
I was staying at a casino hotel one night and playing some Craps for the table minimum (of course), Pass Line with 2x Odds, Placing 6/8 for the minimum. Anyway, some clown comes up to the table talking about rigged decks at Blackjack and cussing out the Craps crew (for whatever reason) even though he had apparently won a good bit at Craps earlier in the night and lost it at Blackjack.
He had a few black chips still with him, though I can't remember the exact amount (I think $400) and I established a Point of 10. He put his remaining chips on the, "Lay Four," and continued to berate the crew for no good reason. My first roll after that was inconsequential, but then my next one was a four, I just looked at the guy, grinned, and said, "Have a good night!"
Your case was a matter of circumstance in which an idiot on the table rubs people the wrong way with negative energy or obnoxious behavior... in these cases, it is quite normal and advised to wish ill for the j-offs! But generally speaking, I would argue that most normal people like to see others win, unless as I stated, they have their own issues.
Quote:People Like To See You Lose
Yes, those people are called "dealers, pit, and casino management." They're aren't all evil and dark. There are a few good people there. However, there are many of them that do lead a very cynical life, which is why it's sometimes difficult for casino employees to make a transition back to the real world outside of the casinos. Working in a casino seems to have a profound effect on moral fiber. You can view some of their dark conversations on the casinos dealers forum.
Quote: KeyserWorking in a casino seems to have a profound effect on moral fiber. You can view some of their dark conversations on the casinos dealers forum.
I read those for years. It's a depressing place,
dealers are always unhappy about something.
They universally dump on their customers,
have no respect for them at all, even when
they tip. A casino player is no better than a
mark in a carnival. He's only there so they can
squeeze money out of him.
Quote: EvenBobI read those for years. It's a depressing place,
dealers are always unhappy about something.
They universally dump on their customers,
have no respect for them at all, even when
they tip. A casino player is no better than a
mark in a carnival. He's only there so they can
squeeze money out of him.
I don't think that there is anyone in the customer service industry that enjoys the presence of all of their customers, with some jobs being an exception, perhaps. You tend to remember the bad ones, especially when they vastly outnumber the great ones (which I assume they do in the casino industry, but wouldn't personally know) with most customers being neutral.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd we have no remorse for them when we exploit their sloppiness and take advantage of their mistakes. And if they get fired over it, tough!
You should want for merciful management that wants to give them as many chances as possible, that way they can go on to commit more mistakes that work to your benefit.
Quote: Mission146You should want for merciful management that wants to give them as many chances as possible, that way they can go on to commit more mistakes that work to your benefit.
The opposite usually happens. The player gets the boot and the game continues. We just send other players in on it.
You weren't a dealer were you? What made you all curmudgeonly? (-;Quote: EvenBobI read those for years. It's a depressing place,
dealers are always unhappy about something.
They universally dump on their customers,
have no respect for them at all, even when
they tip. A casino player is no better than a
mark in a carnival. He's only there so they can
squeeze money out of him.
I dont know if dealing has more of a dark affect on people than the average job.
Perhaps because people spend so much time with dealers they tend to notice more than one might notice when dealing with employees from other fields.
I dont know think it's the job that turns people dark, I think the people are dark negative people to begin with.
I know a couple who both dealt BJ and other games in Vegas for many years. The Guy is a goodhearted, nice positive person and he always has been. He mostly enjoyed dealing. The lady is the opposite of him.
Most dealers I know personally seem to be happy, positive, up beat and good people.
Quote: AxelWolf
Most dealers I know personally seem to be happy, positive, up beat and good people.
To your face, yeah. They work for tips.
You might find what they say and
think and express to other dealers
to be quite a shock.
That being said, there was one guy in AC who was a floor person in craps... He never smiled and always made comments like 'the law of averages will catch up with you soon'. WTF! I swear he would stand right at the corner of the table every time I walked up and starred at the dice as if he were hoping for a 7 out. His tables seemed to always be cold. Bastaaaard!
Quote: EvenBobTo your face, yeah. They work for tips.
You might find what they say and
think and express to other dealers
to be quite a shock.
You can say that, even about your closest friends and family. None of us ever really know what others think of us, and we can't (if we're wise) worry about it. I don't care what table staff think of me, only that they are courteous and competent in servicing my bets.
1) "The company man", as some would say. This is the guy who, for whatever reason, wants his casino to make a bunch of money. He is most likely aiming to be a floor person and eventually a pit boss. He wants his table to have the biggest win of the night, so his superiors will see what a great employee he is, and he'll be promoted. He likely sucks at his job, tries to be friends with floor people, pit bossss, and management, but they all hate him anyway. He thinks he's the best dealer in the house and deserves to be promoted and would do a better job than anyone else above him This person is most likely retarded.
2) The dark/envious dealer. This person is just an a**hole and enjoys watching others lose. He thinks he should get paid more for his job, meaning he doesn't receive as much in tips as he thinks he should get. Thus, he enjoys watching players lose money because he views all players as not tipping enough. Even when someone is betting $500 a hand and tipping $25 a hand, if the player (somehow) comes up ahead a few thousand, he thinks the player should tip an extra 20% of his profits.
3) The player is an a**hole. In this case, the player is a complete idiot, typically always complaining about losing or not winning enough, complains about the slow cocktail waitresses, dealers aren't making payouts quickly enough, others messing with the flow of the cards in BJ or "the shooter been doing good then he changed his toss and sevened out, idiot", etc. This is the kind of player that anyone with a soul would like to see him lose, and rightfully so.
Few dealers are #1, because many hate their jobs. Also, floor people tend to make less money than dealers (AFAIK).
A huge number of dealers are #2. I'd say very few are truly appreciative of tips. Even though most will say thanks, you're a good person, etc., it can frequently be an attempt to pressure the non-tippers at the table into tipping.
Almost all are #3. There are a few odd balls who just love dealing and like players too much. Picture the manager dude at the restaurant who's too happy and out going in the movie Office Space.
Asian female BJ dealers - lot of "company men" for some reason...Quote: RSDealers who like to see players lose:
1) "The company man", as some would say. This is the guy who, for whatever reason, wants his casino to make a bunch of money. He is most likely aiming to be a floor person and eventually a pit boss. He wants his table to have the biggest win of the night, so his superiors will see what a great employee he is, and he'll be promoted. He likely sucks at his job, tries to be friends with floor people, pit bossss, and management, but they all hate him anyway. He thinks he's the best dealer in the house and deserves to be promoted and would do a better job than anyone else above him This person is most likely retarded.
Quote: InTimeForSpace1What do you call old debauched whining fat men who want to take the world down with them?
EvenBobs? Jk :)
Ive been going to a new casino often over the past few weeks. Ive been winning consistently 'in and out'. I always tip and always get the dealers involved in effort to keep up the positive vibe. However at this casino, there is this one dealer that always looks so upset when I color up with my wins and makes remarks like ' the law of averages is going to hit you soon' and 'why would you go off on your bets in the middle of a roll' and 'you're too good for us pal ...and really lucky'. The guy is miserable. He looks like Mr. Heat Miser and I feel sorry for him, but I had smiles all the way to the cashier.
Jealousy + Insecurity = Misery
Quote: Sonny44…None of us ever really know what others think of us, and we can't (if we're wise) worry about it. I don't care what table staff think of me, only that they are courteous and competent in servicing my bets.
"What you think about me is none of my business," ~ Leslie Jordan
No, it doesn't ring a bell, but I will take that as a premeditated/calculated personal insult that crosses a line and I will ask the mods to act accordingly.Quote: WatchMeWinI remember that someone had written about dealers wanting players to lose, so I had to go back and find this thread after my experience this past week. As most would agree, the people that want to see others lose are those insecure losers who are envious and hate seeing others do well when they themselves are miserable and not participating in the win.... ring a bell ax?
Ive been going to a new casino often over the past few weeks. Ive been winning consistently 'in and out'. I always tip and always get the dealers involved in effort to keep up the positive vibe. However at this casino, there is this one dealer that always looks so upset when I color up with my wins and makes remarks like ' the law of averages is going to hit you soon' and 'why would you go off on your bets in the middle of a roll' and 'you're too good for us pal ...and really lucky'. The guy is miserable. He looks like Mr. Heat Miser and I feel sorry for him, but I had smiles all the way to the cashier.
Jealousy + Insecurity = Misery
Quote: WatchMeWin
the people that want to see others lose are those insecure losers who are envious and hate seeing others do well when they themselves are miserable and not participating in the win.... ring a bell ax?
Quote: AxelWolfNo, it doesn't ring a bell, but I will take that as a premeditated/calculated personal insult that crosses a line and I will ask the mods to act accordingly.
Yeah, I have to agree. Personal insult. 3 days.
Let the dice hit their hands, make an annoying comment, break my concentration, look at me weird .... lots of ways.Quote: spadeknightHow can someone cause you to seven out???? just curious
Its an 'us' versus 'them' attitude. He may hate being a dealer but he does want to move up the ladder and hate being a pit boss. The casinos often foster an attitude of don't let players steal and don't let players win.Quote: RS"The company man", as some would say. This is the guy who, for whatever reason, wants his casino to make a bunch of money. He is most likely aiming to be a floor person and eventually a pit boss.
