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July 9th, 2014 at 10:04:59 AM
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Seems to me that 7/7/7+7 is a perfect to quit craps. The day you sevened out.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
July 9th, 2014 at 10:14:26 AM
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Quote: WizardSeems to me that 7/7/7+7 is a perfect to quit craps. The day you sevened out.
This whole thing STARTED when Benjamin at Silverton who I see every day told me it was a bad day to be playing craps.
I responded, "you know I'm not superstitious."
He then said, "I am. I wouldn't be playing today."
The day was a -$500 day for me. I often win more on a single throw and I was black-chip betting this day ($20 pass and $200 odds on an eight was my biggest win that day). But it's not the money, but the effect that it's having on my priorities that's a concern.
I think after that win on the eight, I was only down about $150 or so FWIW.
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July 9th, 2014 at 10:20:24 AM
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Who voted "1 day" so I will know who to congratulate if I play later today?
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July 9th, 2014 at 10:26:19 AM
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good luck... I hope you find your answers... I did notice that none of the choices in the poll included "never playing again"
July 9th, 2014 at 10:35:38 AM
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Quote: andyg99good luck... I hope you find your answers... I did notice that none of the choices in the poll included "never playing again"
Yeah, that's absolutely not a goal to "never play again."
All I want to know is "what happens" if I try to go without playing for a while.
The time I would normally be playing craps I'll be doing SOMETHING.
So far, it was a visit to Happ Controls and free food and watching other people play.
I mean I like the game even when I'm not playing, I like to watch and observe people gambling on dice. That's pretty weird I guess for some people. But it's perfectly normal from my viewpoint of things. I had fun last night even without playing at all.
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July 9th, 2014 at 10:47:31 AM
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Gambling should either be a living (assuming there are those who do it for money), fun or an occasional way to get away from life's miseries. However, like drinking at a bar or other similar activities, in an ideal world it shouldn't take over either your money, time or other critical resource that is needed for other things. Normally we hear about the financial implications, but sometimes it's the other side effects of that ruins lives.
The hint is when you say "effect that it's having on my other priorities".
On one side I think we all need a hobby or a way to escape from the routine or downturns in our lives - unless there's a good family or friends to help, it can be difficult to get through the sadder times. On the other side we may have family responsibilities, bills to pay or jobs to do. If the former seriously affects the latter, then that is usually cause for concern.
However at the end of the day, assuming one can recognise the situation in time, it's an individual choice.
For instance eating greasy breakfasts or junk food, drinking lots of beer, and smoking is bad for us. Some people knowingly ignore the problem and stuff their faces or merrily puff away - the result is they tend to die earlier. Luckily younger people seem more aware and we're seeing more information on food and healthier options - children will on average live longer than their parents.
Is it better to stuff oneself, smoke fifty-a-day? Who knows? But personally I don't smoke and am beginning to cut back.
Should one give up gambling? Who knows?
The hint is when you say "effect that it's having on my other priorities".
On one side I think we all need a hobby or a way to escape from the routine or downturns in our lives - unless there's a good family or friends to help, it can be difficult to get through the sadder times. On the other side we may have family responsibilities, bills to pay or jobs to do. If the former seriously affects the latter, then that is usually cause for concern.
However at the end of the day, assuming one can recognise the situation in time, it's an individual choice.
For instance eating greasy breakfasts or junk food, drinking lots of beer, and smoking is bad for us. Some people knowingly ignore the problem and stuff their faces or merrily puff away - the result is they tend to die earlier. Luckily younger people seem more aware and we're seeing more information on food and healthier options - children will on average live longer than their parents.
Is it better to stuff oneself, smoke fifty-a-day? Who knows? But personally I don't smoke and am beginning to cut back.
Should one give up gambling? Who knows?
July 9th, 2014 at 10:54:34 AM
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The way I define gambling, giving it up isn't an option.
Right now, some girl rear ended my old car and did a couple thousand dollars worth of damage. Her insurance (State Farm) can't get in touch with her to establish fault. We all know it's her fault and she admitted fault at the scene of the accident.
But even expecting someone to fix your car when they rear-end you is a gamble even when you have uninsured motorist insurance!
I can't stop gambling! Not an option!
This is the second time some little girl has rear-ended me in 6 months too. The first time I just told them not to worry about it. I can still see the impression of their license plate on my rear bumper.
But don't gamble? If it were possible, that'd be a nice option. But it's not in my definition of gambling.
The nice thing about craps is that I can control when I am gambling and I can do it in a way that is enjoyable MOST of the time.
Right now, some girl rear ended my old car and did a couple thousand dollars worth of damage. Her insurance (State Farm) can't get in touch with her to establish fault. We all know it's her fault and she admitted fault at the scene of the accident.
But even expecting someone to fix your car when they rear-end you is a gamble even when you have uninsured motorist insurance!
I can't stop gambling! Not an option!
This is the second time some little girl has rear-ended me in 6 months too. The first time I just told them not to worry about it. I can still see the impression of their license plate on my rear bumper.
But don't gamble? If it were possible, that'd be a nice option. But it's not in my definition of gambling.
The nice thing about craps is that I can control when I am gambling and I can do it in a way that is enjoyable MOST of the time.
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July 9th, 2014 at 11:31:51 AM
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Quote: AhighThe nice thing about craps is that I can control when I am gambling and I can do it in a way that is enjoyable MOST of the time.
Well, then, if this is where you are, why bother the rest of us about it?
July 9th, 2014 at 11:38:40 AM
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Quote: Sonny44Well, then, if this is where you are, why bother the rest of us about it?
There are times when I lose that I am not unaffected. And it's entertaining to see others projecting into the situation with their views as well.
I honestly don't feel that I have a gambling problem. But many others, including the Wizard, have expressed their concerns.
I'm quitting just to see what happens and I'm updating what happens on this thread. I apologize if this is a "bother" but it wasn't intended to "bother" anyone.
So far, it seems the whole idea of considering that I might have a gambling problem is something that many on this forum just LOVE to entertain.
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July 9th, 2014 at 11:47:04 AM
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I think you check off some of the boxes for gambling addiction.. but you probably have a way to go before you'd be officially considered an addict. There is certainly a compulsion, but it doesn't seem to be causing you financial distress.
I'd consider.. estimating the expected value of your gambling activities.. I'd suggest anything less less than 10% of your gross income.. or less than 30% of your discretionary income is a hobby.
I don't like the traditional advice of setting limits.. If a gambling addict can set a limit, I would think he'd just play until he lost the limit and then become depressed.
I'd consider.. estimating the expected value of your gambling activities.. I'd suggest anything less less than 10% of your gross income.. or less than 30% of your discretionary income is a hobby.
I don't like the traditional advice of setting limits.. If a gambling addict can set a limit, I would think he'd just play until he lost the limit and then become depressed.
July 9th, 2014 at 11:48:15 AM
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Quote: AhighThere are times when I lose that I am not unaffected. And it's entertaining to see others projecting into the situation with their views as well.
A gambling problem is where you take a really bad loss, the kind that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, and you want to go back and play the next chance you can get in order to win it back.
I took a bad loss (for me, anyway - I am a VERY small-budget gambler and do not step out of my budget) in May and presently can't stand the idea of being in a casino for any other reason than my job. Hell, I'm going to Vegas in December and, unless I chill out between now and then, probably won't play anything.
July 9th, 2014 at 12:01:35 PM
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For me, the most valuable resource I am wasting when I gamble is my time.
But I like wasting my time when I have it to waste. It really doesn't matter if I'm gambling $1 or $500 on each roll. I get more nervous with the bigger money, but I can have JUST AS MUCH FUN with $1.
I do enjoy the thrills of the bigger money, but I don't know that I am addicted to that. We will see in the coming days what happens.
I could pop out that motorcycle and get the adrenaline pumping if it's the adrenaline that I crave.
I don't really know yet. Right now I'm about to pop out for a lunch break. We'll see what happens but I made the one day anyway.
I am thinking I'm going to Cosmo.
But I like wasting my time when I have it to waste. It really doesn't matter if I'm gambling $1 or $500 on each roll. I get more nervous with the bigger money, but I can have JUST AS MUCH FUN with $1.
I do enjoy the thrills of the bigger money, but I don't know that I am addicted to that. We will see in the coming days what happens.
I could pop out that motorcycle and get the adrenaline pumping if it's the adrenaline that I crave.
I don't really know yet. Right now I'm about to pop out for a lunch break. We'll see what happens but I made the one day anyway.
I am thinking I'm going to Cosmo.
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July 9th, 2014 at 12:33:29 PM
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Yeah, you're an addict. So am I.
Justifying it as something that doesn't affect you is clue #1. Someone will argue therefore that work is an addiction, but it's not, because I enjoy my vacation and enjoy the periods I don't work. Eating is a necessity. Making money doing something enjoyable (aka Tiger Woods) or doing something with the expectation of making money (AP, training, etec) are not addictions.
With gambling, there is always a pressing need for me to go to the casino especially when I can make an excuse to go. Excuses include:
- "I have comps to spend there"
- "I need to get away from my wife/child"
- "I'm stressed out/angry/feeling blue and need to chill out"
- "It's fun."
- "I need to keep my status"
- "There is a WoV gathering there".
- "There is a contest/free giveaways/free tournament"
- "I'm bored".
- "I haven't been in a month and I have the budget and can do whatever I want".
The fact is that all of those excuses are just crap. I want to go, take out a bunch of money, press buttons or play cards and get the adrenaline / endorphin hit of winning and losing. And at the moment of play, I don't care about the money. The financial piece is fine. I make enough money to absorb losses over time. But let's see, I've been late in picking up my daughter because I can't get away, I've been late getting home because of gambling. I've had to reduce entertainment expenses elsewhere because of gambling. I've put off paying bills because of gambling.
The fact is, whether it's craps, blackjack, video poker, slots, bingo, scratch tickets, lotto, etc, if you are feeling the adrenaline/endorphin rush when you play and miss it strongly, or you think about gambling all of the time, or your mood changes when you don't play for awhile, then you are addicted.
If you can go to the casino and feel "normal" about winning and losing, meaning that you are not emotionally involved and don't feel the endorphin rush and don't have this feeling of "need" when you are away from the casino, you are probably okay.
But the way that you describe it to me is an absolute addiction. There are things you SHOULD be doing besides gambling. You think about it all of the time. You've been going daily for what, 5 years plus now. You felt bad about losing money, and though you don't feel it now, you will chase the loss, maybe not today, but some other day. You justify gambling by saying it's the lowest edge game out there, which is not true because you sometimes bet the hard ways and other middle bets (you've said that before). You say "just as much fun with $1" then one sentence later state "I enjoy the thrills of the bigger money".
Justifying it as something that doesn't affect you is clue #1. Someone will argue therefore that work is an addiction, but it's not, because I enjoy my vacation and enjoy the periods I don't work. Eating is a necessity. Making money doing something enjoyable (aka Tiger Woods) or doing something with the expectation of making money (AP, training, etec) are not addictions.
With gambling, there is always a pressing need for me to go to the casino especially when I can make an excuse to go. Excuses include:
- "I have comps to spend there"
- "I need to get away from my wife/child"
- "I'm stressed out/angry/feeling blue and need to chill out"
- "It's fun."
- "I need to keep my status"
- "There is a WoV gathering there".
- "There is a contest/free giveaways/free tournament"
- "I'm bored".
- "I haven't been in a month and I have the budget and can do whatever I want".
The fact is that all of those excuses are just crap. I want to go, take out a bunch of money, press buttons or play cards and get the adrenaline / endorphin hit of winning and losing. And at the moment of play, I don't care about the money. The financial piece is fine. I make enough money to absorb losses over time. But let's see, I've been late in picking up my daughter because I can't get away, I've been late getting home because of gambling. I've had to reduce entertainment expenses elsewhere because of gambling. I've put off paying bills because of gambling.
The fact is, whether it's craps, blackjack, video poker, slots, bingo, scratch tickets, lotto, etc, if you are feeling the adrenaline/endorphin rush when you play and miss it strongly, or you think about gambling all of the time, or your mood changes when you don't play for awhile, then you are addicted.
If you can go to the casino and feel "normal" about winning and losing, meaning that you are not emotionally involved and don't feel the endorphin rush and don't have this feeling of "need" when you are away from the casino, you are probably okay.
But the way that you describe it to me is an absolute addiction. There are things you SHOULD be doing besides gambling. You think about it all of the time. You've been going daily for what, 5 years plus now. You felt bad about losing money, and though you don't feel it now, you will chase the loss, maybe not today, but some other day. You justify gambling by saying it's the lowest edge game out there, which is not true because you sometimes bet the hard ways and other middle bets (you've said that before). You say "just as much fun with $1" then one sentence later state "I enjoy the thrills of the bigger money".
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July 9th, 2014 at 12:36:05 PM
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" For me, the most valuable resource I am wasting when I gamble is my time. " and your son's time too. What kid doesn't want to look up and see his Dad there ? But, oh I forgot. They only have pizza at the rink !
And I do mean DAD, not sperm donor.
And I do mean DAD, not sperm donor.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
July 9th, 2014 at 12:52:54 PM
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Quote: Ahigh
So far, it seems the whole idea of considering that I might have a gambling problem is something that many on this forum just LOVE to entertain.
I don't know about that - I think folks have expressed concern but I don't see anyone 'loving' a potential gambling problem here....
July 9th, 2014 at 1:02:57 PM
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There's a test to see if you're in love with someone and that's how you feel if you know they're going out with someone else. There's a test whether you're addicted to soaps and how you ensure you're home in time or your reactions to missing an episode (personally I hate soaps).
So here's a few ideas.
(i) Have you ever gone into a casino and then decided you don't fancy a bet that day, so don't play at all?
(ii) Can you easily set a stop-loss limit and then stick to it and go home and not worry or chase the loss later?
(iii) Have you gone in with some friends, had a chat, meal or drink together, and either just watched them play or played for fun while teaching them how to play better?
(iv) Have you ever "lost it" and what is your feeling afterwards or do you chase your losses?
(v) Have you ever missed a payment/appointment/meeting, lost friends because of gambling too much?
btw I'm trying to be impersonal here as there may be others who have other ideas on how to check on a possible addiction (whether to gambling, booze etc.) and others who are worried whether they have a problem and would like a litmus test to help them determine that.
It's similar to having one's cholesterol measured and finding out early before the issue becomes life threatening. Worth having it checked out and worth taking the medicine.
So here's a few ideas.
(i) Have you ever gone into a casino and then decided you don't fancy a bet that day, so don't play at all?
(ii) Can you easily set a stop-loss limit and then stick to it and go home and not worry or chase the loss later?
(iii) Have you gone in with some friends, had a chat, meal or drink together, and either just watched them play or played for fun while teaching them how to play better?
(iv) Have you ever "lost it" and what is your feeling afterwards or do you chase your losses?
(v) Have you ever missed a payment/appointment/meeting, lost friends because of gambling too much?
btw I'm trying to be impersonal here as there may be others who have other ideas on how to check on a possible addiction (whether to gambling, booze etc.) and others who are worried whether they have a problem and would like a litmus test to help them determine that.
It's similar to having one's cholesterol measured and finding out early before the issue becomes life threatening. Worth having it checked out and worth taking the medicine.
July 9th, 2014 at 1:26:42 PM
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I went in for lunch. I had $2 worth of player points and the line at the Wicked Spoon was too long. I went to the craps table to see if they would comp a meal, and they don't comp meals. You just earn player points. So I didn't end up eating and I left.
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July 9th, 2014 at 2:11:09 PM
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Quote: charliepatrick(v) Have you ever missed a payment/appointment/meeting, lost friends because of gambling too much?
This is one to look more closely at. I have missed an appointment because I'd rather be playing craps than doing something someone else wants me to do that I'm not as interested in doing.
I like playing craps. I can't even say I like gambling, but I like playing craps. I would rather WATCH someone else play craps than to gamble on an AP video poker machine if that helps.
I am not interested in AP play or gambling as an activity to generate financial well-being for myself.
I like creating games to generate financial well-being for myself. That's what I do for money.
I'm still thinking, "nope, no problem."
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July 9th, 2014 at 3:22:57 PM
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Quote: AhighI went in for lunch. I had $2 worth of player points and the line at the Wicked Spoon was too long. I went to the craps table to see if they would comp a meal, and they don't comp meals. You just earn player points. So I didn't end up eating and I left.
Do you play at Cosmo much? Seems easy to earn more than $2 in comps there. Unless you already used the others you earned.
July 9th, 2014 at 3:24:41 PM
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Quote: AhighThere are times when I lose that I am not unaffected. And it's entertaining to see others projecting into the situation with their views as well.
I honestly don't feel that I have a gambling problem. But many others, including the Wizard, have expressed their concerns.
I'm quitting just to see what happens and I'm updating what happens on this thread. I apologize if this is a "bother" but it wasn't intended to "bother" anyone.
So far, it seems the whole idea of considering that I might have a gambling problem is something that many on this forum just LOVE to entertain.
Ahigh,.. I hate to tell you this, but that is the same thing a drug addict will say! I'm not saying that you have a problem, but if its affecting your home life, you better think about what you are doing. If you are going to the craps tables for a entertainment factor, you can just stand off to the side of the table and laugh at what you see happening on the tables!
Living in a city like Vegas can be a big problem for someone that can easily be addict to anything! You can hit a casino on your way to work, or at lunch time, then on the way home and your wife would never even know that you are playing craps, until she finds out that your bank account isn't what it should be!
Ask you wife if what you are doing is affecting your marriage, tell her what you win and lose, see if she enjoys you losing money!
The real eye opener for you just might come from her answer, by the way while reading this thread I see where you said a dealer told you not to play everybody was losing, when they tell me that I leave and find a different table to play on! After all they may have been standing there for a few hours and nobody has been winning! They were trying to do you a favor, when they told you that!
Craps can be a very addicting game just like some of the games that you help develop, you of all people should know the psychology that goes into getting a player hooked on any game they play.
Take this at what its worth, just some friendly advice from someone that has seen way to many players lose everything they worked for all of their life, if it is effecting your job, or your family life, then yes you have a problem! When you start a thread on what others see as a problem, you may want to take some time and read what you have been writing, I think your answer is right in front of you, but you keep closing your eyes
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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July 9th, 2014 at 3:29:20 PM
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Learn poker. You can stay in the casino and actually use your brain to make money in that.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
July 9th, 2014 at 4:14:01 PM
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I don't want to make money. I want to have fun. I have a job. The LAST thing I want to do is give up a great job for a horrible income as a second-rate or wanna-be professional gambler.
I like craps.
I like craps.
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July 9th, 2014 at 4:15:27 PM
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Quote: BozDo you play at Cosmo much? Seems easy to earn more than $2 in comps there. Unless you already used the others you earned.
Yeah, I ate $25 worth of food about a week ago. But they still don't comp me a lot.
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July 9th, 2014 at 4:18:51 PM
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Quote: AhighI don't want to make money. I want to have fun...I like craps.
Sheesh, so go shoot craps.
Problem solved, drama ended.
"What, me worry?"
July 9th, 2014 at 4:24:07 PM
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Quote: AhighI don't want to make money. I want to have fun. I have a job. The LAST thing I want to do is give up a great job for a horrible income as a second-rate or wanna-be professional gambler.
I like craps.
Do you need to gamble on it though it just be around it?
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
July 9th, 2014 at 4:28:56 PM
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Socializing is absolutely a big part of it. I think that's a big reason I get so upset over conflicts because it interferes with my ability to socialize when people don't deal correctly to me and it results in an unresolved conflict.
The work I do is very solitary. So that may be part of why I enjoy the social aspects. Motorcycle stunt riding was also a very social thing for me as well. I enjoyed making friends and knowing people and talking about things that are going on here and there.
The work I do is very solitary. So that may be part of why I enjoy the social aspects. Motorcycle stunt riding was also a very social thing for me as well. I enjoyed making friends and knowing people and talking about things that are going on here and there.
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July 9th, 2014 at 4:58:53 PM
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Ahigh, I don't know if you are playing a game with all the posters on this board, and to tell you the truth, I don't care. But if you are really telling yourself that you don't have a problem, I would go and get professional help. The first thing I would do is talk with Kelly, if she has no problem with what you are doing, then so be it! She is the only one that you have to answer to, besides her children.
As I tell a lot of my buddies when they want me to go out and play craps, I'm married what don't you understand. Family comes first, if you can't handle that you have a problem, that is going to ruin your marriage, and most likely your job.
I'm just trying to help out, you asked me once before, why am so against the great fiction writers we have, that write about craps, its because I've seen you many times before with the different people I knew that ruined their life gambling. Find something fun to do, with your family!!!!!!
As I tell a lot of my buddies when they want me to go out and play craps, I'm married what don't you understand. Family comes first, if you can't handle that you have a problem, that is going to ruin your marriage, and most likely your job.
I'm just trying to help out, you asked me once before, why am so against the great fiction writers we have, that write about craps, its because I've seen you many times before with the different people I knew that ruined their life gambling. Find something fun to do, with your family!!!!!!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
You do good brada ..!
superrick
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July 9th, 2014 at 5:43:19 PM
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Sigh.
You then went on to say that you didn't think you're addicted. Clearly your family/friends are concerned about you. You're missing family events. You're spending a good deal of your non-working time away from your family every day. You get upset when you lose. That isn't good for you, and it isn't good for your marriage, and isn't good for your stepson. i know because I've been there.
You say that craps is enjoyable and it's the socialization. How did you feel when you were standing around the crap table not gambling? Did you feel something missing? Socialization is an excuse. You can socialize at the hockey rink. You can socialize by taking a class at UNLV. You can socialize by going out with friends. You can socialize by joining a hobby group. That's how normal non-addicts socialize. Alcoholics will give the same excuse that they dont' enjoy the drinking, but they enjoy the gang at the local salloon.
And my concern is just that. I'm not trying to put you down. We are all human and I'm trying to be objective as possible.
Quote: ahighI am going to TRY to take a break from playing. Yesterday I was advised not to play and I ignored the advice and lost a large sum of money playing craps. It put me in a bad mood to lose this money even though I tried my best not to let it affect me, and I realized that I let this loss negatively affect myself and other people around me. Today, I'm still sore about this loss, and other people are not talking to me as a result of the sequence of events unfolded after this happened.
I've been playing craps every day now for over five years except when going out of town. And by every day, I typically play at multiple tables multiple times per day.
IE: I play a LOT of craps. I think the most number of simultaneous days I have actually physically been in Vegas without playing the game is MAYBE two. Usually I play at LEAST once every 8 waking hours. And frequently I play for an hour every four to five hours.
A couple of people have told me that they think I have a problem (just two people, really, but they are close to me), and so I'm going to do an experiment to see what happens when I try to quit playing cold turkey. To be clear, I'm not trying to deal with what I think is a gambling problem, just trying an experiment to see how long I can go without playing craps is all.
You then went on to say that you didn't think you're addicted. Clearly your family/friends are concerned about you. You're missing family events. You're spending a good deal of your non-working time away from your family every day. You get upset when you lose. That isn't good for you, and it isn't good for your marriage, and isn't good for your stepson. i know because I've been there.
You say that craps is enjoyable and it's the socialization. How did you feel when you were standing around the crap table not gambling? Did you feel something missing? Socialization is an excuse. You can socialize at the hockey rink. You can socialize by taking a class at UNLV. You can socialize by going out with friends. You can socialize by joining a hobby group. That's how normal non-addicts socialize. Alcoholics will give the same excuse that they dont' enjoy the drinking, but they enjoy the gang at the local salloon.
And my concern is just that. I'm not trying to put you down. We are all human and I'm trying to be objective as possible.
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July 9th, 2014 at 6:05:09 PM
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OK, here's a real world suggestion to help you "socialize," and get a partial grip on your gambling jones.
You and your wife can go to Arthur Murray or whatever dance studio you like and take dancing lessons.
How far you progress and how many different dances you learn is up to the two of you.
She'll probably love the idea, unless she is clumsy and has two left feet, or is antisocial: women usually love dancing, and appreciate the men who dance with them.
As for reigning in your jones: make a deal with her; for every time you take her dancing, you get to shoot craps for two different seesions.
No cheating.
There, it really is that simple.
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You and your wife can go to Arthur Murray or whatever dance studio you like and take dancing lessons.
How far you progress and how many different dances you learn is up to the two of you.
She'll probably love the idea, unless she is clumsy and has two left feet, or is antisocial: women usually love dancing, and appreciate the men who dance with them.
As for reigning in your jones: make a deal with her; for every time you take her dancing, you get to shoot craps for two different seesions.
No cheating.
There, it really is that simple.
"What, me worry?"
July 9th, 2014 at 7:58:15 PM
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I got the call to come home from work. The smoke detector battery is out and so is her brake light on her car. I don't dance at all, and neither does she. We both sing but I couldn't talk her into doing any singing before.
So far I'm just working though. WORK WORK WORK.
Looks like I will make three days. I definitely wanted to play when I walked past the table at the Cosmo today, but I didn't.
So far I'm just working though. WORK WORK WORK.
Looks like I will make three days. I definitely wanted to play when I walked past the table at the Cosmo today, but I didn't.
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July 9th, 2014 at 7:58:45 PM
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Oh, it's bad. When I was working in Vegas, our firm's office was in the Green Valley complex and I would walk over to Green Valley Ranch and shoot craps at lunch! It was too easy!Quote: superrick
Living in a city like Vegas can be a big problem for someone that can easily be addict to anything! You can hit a casino on your way to work, or at lunch time, then on the way home and your wife would never even know that you are playing craps, until she finds out that your bank account isn't what it should be!
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July 10th, 2014 at 6:22:50 AM
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There is something here. I won't say "addiction"; not only is it hard to judge from afar, but it's not necessary. The label doesn't matter. But something is up.
Why did you post this? We all start and stop things in our lives. Most we don't contemplate much, nearly all we fail to post about. Yet you posted this. Why? The answer to that is important.
You obviously think that not playing is a big deal. Why? Why does failing to play seem like a big event in your life? What is playing to you?
This could be a lot of things. Some harmful, some less so. If I were to think of some of my passions/hobbies and use them in place of your craps play, I could group them into different categories. Some are addictions, some are obsessions, some are compulsions, some are my identity. Some I love and can't live without. Some I love and could quit today. Some I hate but still do day in and day out. Some give back more than they take, some take but it's worth it, some are a constant drain with no equal value returned. What is craps to you?
The label doesn't matter. Addiction, obsession, compulsion, attention, who cares? How does it affect your life? That's what matters. All things have a cost. What is craps, and how much does it cost?
Find that answer, and you'll find your answer.
Why did you post this? We all start and stop things in our lives. Most we don't contemplate much, nearly all we fail to post about. Yet you posted this. Why? The answer to that is important.
You obviously think that not playing is a big deal. Why? Why does failing to play seem like a big event in your life? What is playing to you?
This could be a lot of things. Some harmful, some less so. If I were to think of some of my passions/hobbies and use them in place of your craps play, I could group them into different categories. Some are addictions, some are obsessions, some are compulsions, some are my identity. Some I love and can't live without. Some I love and could quit today. Some I hate but still do day in and day out. Some give back more than they take, some take but it's worth it, some are a constant drain with no equal value returned. What is craps to you?
The label doesn't matter. Addiction, obsession, compulsion, attention, who cares? How does it affect your life? That's what matters. All things have a cost. What is craps, and how much does it cost?
Find that answer, and you'll find your answer.
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July 10th, 2014 at 10:29:11 AM
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Update: two days in no play. Thanks for all the feedback.
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July 10th, 2014 at 10:30:22 AM
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My five days looking good...
July 10th, 2014 at 10:59:53 AM
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Quote: chickenmanMy five days looking good...
I went with 4 days but I think 5 may be the number. It will be tough when he is sitting at home over the weekend, unless he already has plans.
Expect the worst and you will never be disappointed.
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July 10th, 2014 at 11:34:24 AM
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First world problems and that's it. Maybe there is an attention seeking problem too.
I am a robot.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:37:59 PM
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As I originally said, I don't think that there is a problem myself. I'm a very happy person.
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July 10th, 2014 at 5:31:06 PM
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Quote: AhighAs I originally said, I don't think that there is a problem myself. I'm a very happy person.
Still, you started this thread. You started very concerned and now say you don't think there's a problem. So why did you start this thread? Maybe you should attend a GA meeting, see what others say about their situation, why they think they have a problem/addiction/habit/compulsion. Whatever. Just get some perspective on what you're wondering about compared to people who have acknowledged that they are a "gambleholic."
Maybe from what they say, you can form a better judgment re: your own condition. Question: Is your last statement any truer than the post you made to start this thread?
July 10th, 2014 at 6:02:07 PM
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Quote: AhighAs I originally said, I don't think that there is a problem myself. I'm a very happy person.
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If you think it will help I'll drive up and we can load up your crap table and I will haul it away, gratis.
That goes for any of the craps stuff really, no problem. Talk to the wife see what she thinks, I've got week ends free.
July 10th, 2014 at 6:26:52 PM
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Quote: AhighAs I originally said, I don't think that there is a problem myself. I'm a very happy person.
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You are comparing yourself to those children on the border with their blank stares not knowing what the future holds and if this is "life"?
Life without the noise and action of a craps game is no life at all.
July 10th, 2014 at 9:52:23 PM
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Yeah, no play yet.
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July 10th, 2014 at 9:57:32 PM
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Quote: AhighYeah, no play yet.
Aaron I think you have a problem, And I think the cure is for you to sell me your craps table. :)
July 10th, 2014 at 11:08:16 PM
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"Happiness" is not found in a casino, it is cultivated within.
Casinos "stimulate," they provide "action," but the stimulation is more often negative than positive.
Here's a way to test your mettle: tell yourself you will not go into a casino for any reason (other than OTJ req't) for a month, and mean it.
Stay off this and all gambling boards for a month.
Clear out that foggy noggin.
Take time to smell the roses.
Oh wait, you aren't in Portland (the Rose City); maybe in Las Vegas it would be "take time to touch the cactus."
Whatever, just take a break and see if anything changes.
The Grand Experiment.
Casinos "stimulate," they provide "action," but the stimulation is more often negative than positive.
Here's a way to test your mettle: tell yourself you will not go into a casino for any reason (other than OTJ req't) for a month, and mean it.
Stay off this and all gambling boards for a month.
Clear out that foggy noggin.
Take time to smell the roses.
Oh wait, you aren't in Portland (the Rose City); maybe in Las Vegas it would be "take time to touch the cactus."
Whatever, just take a break and see if anything changes.
The Grand Experiment.
"What, me worry?"
July 11th, 2014 at 8:43:47 AM
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It's Friday. No play yet! Cut my hair. Thought about motorcycling.
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July 11th, 2014 at 9:43:30 AM
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Quote: AhighIt's Friday. No play yet! Cut my hair. Thought about motorcycling.
Whatever. Sheesh!
July 11th, 2014 at 10:24:15 AM
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Quote: Sonny44Whatever. Sheesh!
That's not a very nice comment.
Sounds like what I would expect from my 16-year-old girl.
The whole point of this is just to see how long I can go and include people's guesses in the mix.
Not exactly a serious discussion, just a game.
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July 11th, 2014 at 10:33:28 AM
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Quote: AhighThat's not a very nice comment.
Sounds like what I would expect from my 16-year-old girl. The whole point of this is just to see how long I can go and include people's guesses in the mix. Not exactly a serious discussion, just a game.
In that case, you sound like a 16-year old girl, yourself. That's why the eye-roll. One "girl" to another.
July 11th, 2014 at 11:06:27 AM
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Quote: Sonny44In that case, you sound like a 16-year old girl, yourself. That's why the eye-roll. One "girl" to another.
LOL. I'm just updating that I haven't played yet. Some folks suggested that Friday and the weekend would likely be the trigger to play.
We will see. I apologize for anything approaching name calling. I'm not trying to say you're a girl, just relating to the comments. I do hear this a lot in my house is all.
I'm not sure what the contribution of saying "whatever" was. I only listed other things that are popping up as it relates to filling in the voids where I would normally be spending time gambling.
My motorcycle hasn't been ridden in so long the battery is dead, and a hair-cut is something I need before I start riding. So it's all sort of related to the thread in terms of filling in the void of time with some other extra-curricular activity.
Not just "girl talk."
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July 11th, 2014 at 11:13:14 AM
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I don't know who among them might be girls, and don't happen to feel obliged to give a scat on the merits of the matter, but I noted that the median of the survey responses was at 4.5 days. So that's where I've got the o/u line on this, at 4.5, assuming one equal wagering unit of action from each respondent.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
July 11th, 2014 at 7:38:24 PM
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Quote: DrawingDeadI don't know who among them might be girls, and don't happen to feel obliged to give a scat on the merits of the matter, but I noted that the median of the survey responses was at 4.5 days. So that's where I've got the o/u line on this, at 4.5, assuming one equal wagering unit of action from each respondent.
Well, I'm at home at the moment. No play yet. I think many people expected me to play as soon as the weekend rolled around.
We will see.
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