gaining comps

Quote: richbailey86

Thanks for all the replies. I know if 12 is rolled we both lose but I think if I rack up enough total rewards points and can use it for a room in vegas then potentially losing 98 an hours isnt terrible...it was just a thought

But I know its not the same as both betting on the pass line I was smart enough to figure out one betting dont pass and one betting pass would greatly reduce the losses. soda water saying we'd lose the same as both betting the same just has to be false

No it doesn't have to be false. You could lose the exact same amount as if you both played the Pass or Don't Pass. The big difference is that if you both played the same side you would have a chance to win. Playing opposite sides means no chance to win ever only a high probability of losing.

Can it work to get comps? Sure it can. Will it be worth it? Depends on how many 12's are rolled on Come Out rolls. If there are more than it expected then your loss will be higher than expected and maybe more than the value of the comps you receive.

Random question. What has the bigger HE: this plan or betting opposite colors on Euro Roulette?

Craps has the higher house edge, but not by much. About 1.4% for craps versus 1.35% for single zero roulette.

Number one rule.. NEVER play for comps! However, Lets pretend you play 800 DP and 600 Pass with no odds... 20.00 on the 12. (Net wager 220) Yes your potential loss will be big but you will also have a theo after 12 hours of play of over 18,000 x .35ish= $6350ish in comps. So, hopefully based on those numbers you ONLY lose a couple thousand gambling. And hopefully It all averages out in the end.

Where are you getting your numbers? 800+600+20=220?

For comps assuming you wager $1k total per completed roll the casino will assume 48 rolls an hour at a 1.58% HE. So your theoretical loss in their eyes is (48*1)*.0158=.758 or $758 dollars lost per hour. The rate of comp will depends on which casino you go to but in general will be about 30% which I'll round up to $250.

There is nothing to hope about in this scenario. The only way you will ever get to even is either a hugely skewed number of 12 rolls or if you can slow down the game to a third of their comp rate. If you only play 16 rolls per hour, but are comped at the normal amount you will get close to even.

Assuming they track everything accurately of course.

It'll never cease to amaze me what people will do to get a comp room. They'll play these big HE games just so casinos will like them enough to maybe give them a room.

Quote: Lemieux66

It'll never cease to amaze me what people will do to get a comp room. They'll play these big HE games just so casinos will like them enough to maybe give them a room.

yep it happens all of the time. I will credit the casinos with putting this idea into peoples heads.

Quote: GWAE

yep it happens all of the time. I will credit the casinos with putting this idea into peoples heads.

Yep, brilliant marketing strategy.

Any comp you get is one you've already paid for several times over.

If you view them as a loss reimbursement, great. If you look at them as a goal to be attained, the casino loves you.

I've paid for a $3000 steak before because of this methodology :(

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Quote: djatc

I've paid for a $3000 steak before because of this methodology :(

200$ bottle of water.

Never stopping in Primm again.

Quote: Venthus

200$ bottle of water.

Never stopping in Primm again.

$1000 sun-yellow embroidered beach towel from the Bahamas. Never chased comp prizes since. Never have used the towel; carefully hung on a roller-hangar in my closet, just to remind me.

So, of what value is a player's card? I've been playing craps off & on over the past 1.5 years & have picked one up everywhere I've played, thinking I could get some comp benefit from it, if not now, in the future. But, I don't bet that much money (far as the casino is concerned, apparently), altho I've read that time at the table is important. I guess I have to ask myself, "What are you playing for: fun and making/losing a little money, or comps?"

This board has been candid about the value of comps & therefore player's cards. On some craps & travel websites, this question is raised, and the responses are, "Yes, by all means, get a player's card." I believe with Total Rewards, any "rewards" you have coming expire after 18 months.

I've read, also, that player's cards & comps were invented for slots players. Maybe I should cut up my player's cards.

: " You accused me of editing a post to make you look stupid. "

Totally unnecessary editing on any of my posts. !

Quote: Sonny44

So, of what value is a player's card? I've been playing craps off & on over the past 1.5 years & have picked one up everywhere I've played, thinking I could get some comp benefit from it, if not now, in the future. But, I don't bet that much money (far as the casino is concerned, apparently), altho I've read that time at the table is important. I guess I have to ask myself, "What are you playing for: fun and making/losing a little money, or comps?"

This board has been candid about the value of comps & therefore player's cards. On some craps & travel websites, this question is raised, and the responses are, "Yes, by all means, get a player's card." I believe with Total Rewards, any "rewards" you have coming expire after 18 months.

I've read, also, that player's cards & comps were invented for slots players. Maybe I should cut up my player's cards.

If you are playing anyway then there is no reason not to use your card. If you aren't betting at least quarters you won't get much out of table game play, but eventually you may get enough for a buffet or a few nights free in a room.

Quote: Sonny44

So, of what value is a player's card?

It depends what you want... and your demographic. I've shied away from craps recently in favor of BJ, but red chipping at Boyd properties has been decent for getting me rooms; green will land you tournament invites and small food credit. Silverton will give you weekdays; green will land you weekends plus random events. Fremont places vary a bit more-- I get nothing for green chipping The D, but my mother gets weekends and monstrous comp at the red chip level. And my father went to the Plaza, played down a 100$ loss rebate at a 5$ slot machine, then won it back on the rebate, and he gets five days a month, plus food credit. (My green chipping there doesn't even get me mailers.)

Some reasons to use a player's card even if you're a low-roller:

1. Even though it's slow, you do accumulate points and establish that you're a customer.
2. You never know when they'll decide to throw a good comp your way, especially if they haven't seen you in a while.
3. Even the lowest tiers get discounts on food, shopping, whatever.
4. You get the regular mailers from the casino, so you know when multiple-point days and other promotions are coming.
5. If you're playing without one, it brings increasing scrutiny (these days compared to, say, 10 years ago).

BTW, CET (you mentioned TR) properties, you must accrue at least 1 point every 6 months or all your points expire. Any play at any CET property works, as well as the Caesar's Casino app on Facebook if you can't get away (buy a few chips to play with to get your point; not sure what the amount is, but less than $20.) As long as you do that, your reward credits remain. However, everybody's tier points expire on Dec. 31st each year.

I just don't see the point in handing a card to the pit if you play less then quarters. Table games players really get screwed in comps. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the 100% guaranteed comp point rate playing machines, but the pit boss has to see your average bet, and time. Even then it's not objective at all, I'm sure the single woman who's wearing a very low cut top gets more ratings then the middle aged white guy with glasses. Has anyone gotten anything decent (free rooms, or freebet/matchplays) from red chip action? How long did you play? What did you play?

I am almost all red chip action, though wherever they let me I play 2 hands, even at double table minimum. I'm mostly Carnival games. I broke my 20 year streak of never paying for a room anywhere last month when I paid the Golden Nugget to abuse me. I do play 10-12 hours a day, if not more.

From my red-chipping days playing rated, I'd usually get between $5-$25 free bet / match play coupons, usually 3-5/month (3 $25 ones or 5 $5 ones, for example).

Since my betting level has increased lately (black chip average bet), I get $50-$100 free bets, usually 4-5/month. Not much action is required (time wise), either. Then again, I could be getting rated on my max bets (above black).

Quote: beachbumbabs

I do play 10-12 hours a day, if not more.

Holy hell!!





If you're playing for comps or plan on playing for comps....do it the RIGHT way! Make sure you're being rated properly (or in other words, higher than avg), rat-hole chips so they think you're a loser, and be nice [friendly + tokes]! You'll get rated shittily if you're an asshole + doesn't tip. If you're a nice guy, have fun, don't swear, don't make the dealer / suits "remind" you about stuff (use proper etiquette), you'll get rated better. Don't be the guy who buys in with wrinkled 5s, 10s, and 20s every few hands for $40 each time. Be the person who buys in for $200 with two crisp $100 bills. Hell, lots of times they won't even rate you if your buy in is below some certain amount.

I only get to a casino about 10-20 days per year, and had backed off to about 3 per year the last 5. So I make it count. If I lived somewhere they had them, I would probably just make an evening of it and go more often, but I don't, so when I travel to play, I PLAY.

Quote: RS

From my red-chipping days playing rated, I'd usually get between $5-$25 free bet / match play coupons, usually 3-5/month (3 $25 ones or 5 $5 ones, for example).

Since my betting level has increased lately (black chip average bet), I get $50-$100 free bets, usually 4-5/month. Not much action is required (time wise), either. Then again, I could be getting rated on my max bets (above black).



Holy hell!!





If you're playing for comps or plan on playing for comps....do it the RIGHT way! Make sure you're being rated properly (or in other words, higher than avg), rat-hole chips so they think you're a loser, and be nice [friendly + tokes]! You'll get rated shittily if you're an asshole + doesn't tip. If you're a nice guy, have fun, don't swear, don't make the dealer / suits "remind" you about stuff (use proper etiquette), you'll get rated better. Don't be the guy who buys in with wrinkled 5s, 10s, and 20s every few hands for $40 each time. Be the person who buys in for $200 with two crisp $100 bills. Hell, lots of times they won't even rate you if your buy in is below some certain amount.

But are you counting cards, or just gambling? I can't imagine a black chipper getting away with being rated and counting at the same time, but then again I'm very oblivious to high limit play. Seems like the underlying theme to table game match/free bets is they send you enough for 1 average bet, to start off the session.

I've always wondered if most pit bosses used to be dealers, and are sympathetic to players who toke dealers more. How much leeway can they give a player who is nice, polite, and pretty much provides the dealer a pleasant time win or lose? Can they turn a $5 average bettor into a $25, or even higher? Also regarding ratholing, how much % of your buy-in is a good amount to rathole, and are there any ways for the pit to find out if you've been doing it while you are still there?

Many of my requests for comps have been learned from Jean Scott, who says to ask if the action you've provided was enough for a comp. Usually I'll ask in a way that suggests I know I might be asking for too much, but all factors involving what I wrote above indicate it might be possible. Most people just seem to bark out orders for comps to hosts and they have no choice but to put up with it if the player has enough action, and I prefer not to go that route. Why make their jobs difficult and give them reasons to turn down a request?

Quote: djatc

But are you counting cards, or just gambling? I can't imagine a black chipper getting away with being rated and counting at the same time, but then again I'm very oblivious to high limit play. Seems like the underlying theme to table game match/free bets is they send you enough for 1 average bet, to start off the session.

I play rated all the time. I play blackjack for black chips or higher.

Honestly, I think that, at those stakes, I think it looks more suspicious if you don't play rated. The comps are good and everyone knows it; why would you not take advantage of them? The first thing that they are going to think is that you must be up to something. I have overheard what happens in a pit where someone playing for high limits refuses to give a card. There are tons of phone calls and they are all talking about how to find out who the guy is. Surveillance gets involved, etc. I heard a pit boss call the cage and say, when he cashes out, tell him that you need his id, photocopy it, and send it to us. This particular guy was playing for yellow ($1000) chips and refused to give id or a players card.

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I've always wondered if most pit bosses used to be dealers, and are sympathetic to players who toke dealers more. How much leeway can they give a player who is nice, polite, and pretty much provides the dealer a pleasant time win or lose? Can they turn a $5 average bettor into a $25, or even higher? Also regarding ratholing, how much % of your buy-in is a good amount to rathole, and are there any ways for the pit to find out if you've been doing it while you are still there?

I don't know about blackjack, but I have overheard conversations at the craps table about how much to rate someone when they leave. In craps people are changing their bets all the time (pressing when they win) so the average bet is always just a guess, so there is definitely some leeway. I have definitely heard "he was a nice guy" come up in the discussion of how to rate someone, so I think it definitely helps.

Of course if you are flat-betting at a game like blackjack, that is probably going to be your rating no matter how nice you are. But if there is some guesswork involved as to your actual bet, they are going to be nicer to the people that they like more.

Quote: djatc

Has anyone gotten anything decent (free rooms, or freebet/matchplays) from red chip action? How long did you play? What did you play?

You can get free rooms from CET casinos as a red-chipper, just at their cheaper properties. Your rewards credits (i.e. MONEY you can spend at the resort) will be pretty slim, but they clearly have tons of room inventory to unload.