Sugerhouse Casino dealer invents new craps game- Props & Hops

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20140430_SugarHouse_dealer_invents_easier_game_of_craps.html

Dealer invents a one roll craps game because players don't have patience. Just put the highest HE bets into a game and watch them flock to the tables.

Interesting to see if this spreads after the initial test phase.

Interesting. But this concept already existed:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/scossa/

Darth

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Interesting. But this concept already existed:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/scossa/

Darth

Hey, I read it in the paper...it MUST be true!

IIRC, "one-roll craps" is how Sic Bo got invented. (Craps evolved from an English game called Hazard; somebody added a third die, turned it into a one-roll game, called it Grand Hazard, and somewhere along the line the name changed to Sic Bo.)

This was exhibited at Raving in November......looks like they got a trial at their employer. Good luck to them, but when I played Scossa at Red Rock I believe, the novelty of one roll outcome dice game wore off pretty quickly.

SugarHouse dealer invents easier game of craps


http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20140430_SugarHouse_dealer_invents_easier_game_of_craps.html

I can easily understand why this dealer invented this game for the casino, all of the dealers there told me when I was playing there that the casino has a 47% table hold, because of their players thinking they are still playing street craps, you will never see so many prop bets made on every roll of the dice. The SugarHouse casino was making a killing on the craps tables, because of there prop bet action!

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From one of the great fiction writers

My Sugarhouse sessions were amongst the most interesting ones that I encountered on this Pennslyvania road trip, and they were definitely the most numerous.  I played there for about a day and a half, and it proved to be the most profitable (cumulatively) of everywhere I played this time out

That had to be one great piece of fiction, the Sugerhouse had to be the worst casino I've ever played in because the table were always packed and there were so many prop bets made on each roll of the dice that It would drive anybody off the deep end, that knew how to play craps. There is no way that the great fiction writer could win at that casino, unless he was betting on the so-call random rollers, he would never get the dice, I tried all different times to play there and was told that the tables stay full all of the time, there are no good time when you could find an empty table to play on.

The dealers there were some of the best that I've seen on any table, they had to be to handle all of the prop bets that were being made there! It will be interesting to see what this dealer came up with to help them with their prop bets!

One dealer at the table.

Saves big bucks for the casino, instead of 4-5 on a regular craps table.

Then, you have all the high HE bets, and you even increase the edge, "any seven" at 4 to 1, usually its 5 to 1.

So the house wins even more....

SFB

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One dealer at the table.

Saves big bucks for the casino, instead of 4-5 on a regular craps table.

Then, you have all the high HE bets, and you even increase the edge, "any seven" at 4 to 1, usually its 5 to 1.

So the house wins even more....

SFB

I thought the any 7 was always 4 to 1 or stated differently 5 for 1? Or a buck on big red pays 5 dollars if it hits but one of them dollars was already yours.

Since the probability of a 7 on any roll is 1/6, paying 5 to 1 would be true odds. As such, they pay only 4 to 1. Worst bet on the table from a HE standpoint.

Darth

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Since the probability of a 7 on any roll is 1/6, paying 5 to 1 would be true odds. As such, they pay only 4 to 1. Worst bet on the table from a HE standpoint.

Actually there are two that are worse depending on how you look at it. A Passline or Come bet made as a Put bet without odds on the points 4,5,9,or 10.

The HE on:
Put 4/10 no odds is 33.3%
Put 5/9 no odds is 20%

Also regarding the OP's question about the possible popularity of a single-roll craps game, I'm reminded of the game Sic Bo (or Chuck-a-luck). This game also consisted of a myriad of high HE one-roll bets but you'd be hard-pressed to find this game anywhere presumably because craps was more focused and interesting. The idea of a shooter with some objective beyond a single roll seems to have more appeal.

Steen

Right you are. And the tragedy is that some actually make this bet.

Darth

A look at the felt and the inventors at SugarHouse. No idea what the odds tables are.


Props and Hops

I think Dice players like to handle the dice.

Do players touch the dice? If so, ouch, 1 dealer no one really watching, soon a BJ dealer will be dealing this and some dice cheat will move in.

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I think Dice players like to handle the dice.

Do players touch the dice? If so, ouch, 1 dealer no one really watching, soon a BJ dealer will be dealing this and some dice cheat will move in.

There seems to be a clear-domed dice cup they shake.

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There seems to be a clear-domed dice cup they shake.

Hmmm, Don't know what to say. What's the HA is most important to me. Sounds like lots of fluctuation.

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you even increase the edge, "any seven" at 4 to 1, usually its 5 to 1.

Any Seven always has hit at 4 to 1.

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IIRC, "one-roll craps" is how Sic Bo got invented. (Craps evolved from an English game called Hazard; somebody added a third die, turned it into a one-roll game, called it Grand Hazard, and somewhere along the line the name changed to Sic Bo.)

Are you serious or is this a joke that i didn't get?
Sic Bo is the Chinese name for the dice game played in china which is probably as old as the chinese history.
But granted there aren't too many ways to bet other than odd or even, big or small, etc, this Sic Bo and Grand Hazard is probably quite similar.

Too bad Casino War already exists, I was brainstorming ideas for new, quicker Blackjack/ Baccarat games.

game is already gone didnt last at all-
managers begged me to give it some action I sat one time- and was absolutely bored stiff
the made constant annoucements about it over the loud speaker, they tried everything to get it to work, but that was def not the right casino for it- demographically speaking

New games with no strategy or "journey" to the hand are rarely going to last on the floor. Casino War is an exception & the difference is it isn't a new game as many played it as kids. I learned this "no strategy = player boredom = no play/pulled off the floor" lesson with my first game.

A new game has to be simple and easy to learn....but it also has to contain at least one player decision.

Paradigm is right. The journey to the point, and the decisions along the way, makes the game of craps. You just cannot take that away.

If you wanted to simplify craps, you could remove various props or the come feature, etc., on a regular table, which won't improve it. About all you can do is hang a Fire bet-type add-on to the game in terms of "improving" it.

File this under better late than never. Just made a page on Props and Hops. I welcome all comments and corrections.