dont odds

i have a question to ask, am new to the dc side. some casinos have 2x odds, some 3,4,5, some 5 x etc. say i have a 5 dollar bet on dont, how do i calculate the odds for that bet without having to bother the stickmaen. i like this betting but am sort of confused, every time i read something on it, i get a different feeling for the odds bets.

many players and dealers use a key, like with 345x, max lay odds is 6x the flat bet.

you have to remamber also that the 2x for the pass means the most you can bet
for the don't it is the most you can win (there are exceptions too)

I find remembering all different keys and the exceptions for when you bet say $5 or $15 flat bets too confusing.
I like this one. a few use this and to me seems the easiest way not to get stuck. Then you will know how the keys work

The amount WON on the pass line odds
for the same flat bet
is the amount you can lay on the don't odds

$5 bet and point is 5 or 9
2x odds
$10 pass line odds pays $15
lay $15 on the dont odds to win $10

you lay 3 to win 2 so 3x flat is bet (may not always work with that key)

$5 bet and point is 4 or 10
2x odds
$10 pass line odds pays $20
lay $20 on the dont odds to win $10
so 4x flat is bet

see, it can quickly get crazy remembering is it 3x or 4x?

just think how much the pass line odds can win and that is the max lay odds

here is an exception (there are others)
5x odds - point is 5 or 9
$5 pass with $25 odds
well most casinos would allow the odds to go to $26 or even $30
say $30
$30 pays $45 so max lay odds is $45 to win $30 on a $5 bet
That is 6x winnings, but makes things easier.

maybe they only allow $42 to win $28, still more than 5x winnings.
there will always be some weird amount on the don't side with different odds factors

that would be the time to ask your dealer
Sally

For the don't side, odds are based on how much you win, not the total amount laid out. So for a $5 flat with 2x odds, you can lay enough odds to win $10, regardless of the point.

To figure out how much to lay,

For 4/10, multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then by 2.
For 5/9, multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then by 1.5.
For 6/8, multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then by 1.2.

Point	Flat	Odds	Calc	Amount
4/10	5	2	5 * 2 * 2	20
5/9	5	2	5 * 2 * 1.5	15
6/8	5	2	5 * 2 * 1.2	12
4/10	5	3	5 * 3 * 2	30
5/9	5	4	5 * 4 * 1.5	30
6/8	5	5	5 * 5 * 1.2	30

Its not the stickman you should be bothering but your base dealer and the most important thing to learn is to bother him all you need to. It is his job to help you and his job to do it properly. Sure if its a hectic table he may be time driven, but if you don't understand, ASK even if you Ask the exact same question ALL NIGHT LONG. Its your money and you have a right to bet it wisely no matter what game you choose to play.

Tables usually have table minimums and a usually posted Odds factor. Could be 1x, 2x, 5x, 3x4x5x, 10x, 20x or 100x.

The posted minimum bet is the minimum for a PASS LINE bet or Field Bet. No one EVER has to make an odds bet.

If you are on the Pass line for Ten dollars, and a point gets established, you have the RIGHT to make an odds bet if you wish to.
If its a 5x table... the most you put up as odds is 5 times your 10 dollar bet. ..theoretically. But everyone knows that the payoff on the six or Eight will require that the casino let you stretch it a bit so as to get a proper payoff. After all, you don't want to be cheated of your full pay off and the dealers don't want to suddenly go get some bright shiny quarters to make a proper payoff to you.

So here is the secret for the odds bet on the PASS LINE you are TAKING the odds, for an odds bet on the DontPass or Dont Come you are LAYING the odds. It takes a bigger bankroll to properly play the Dark Side. Since you are betting that the seven will roll before the shooter makes his point and that is what the math says is most likely to happen.

So imagine that you have a pass line bet, from that calculate the maximum that you could WIN on the odds bet.. and that is the amount that you can LAY on the Don't side.

But remember... ask the dealer all night long if you have to.

The difference between Right Side Betting and Wrong Side Betting is minute, but it takes a slightly bigger bankroll to do the Wrong Side. That is why the casino doesn't really care which way you bet and the casino stands ready to back ALL bets, no matter whether they are Right or Wrong side bets. The casino wants ACTION and they don't care which of the two lines its on.

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For 5/9, multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then by 1.5.
For 6/8, multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then by 1.2.

this is a good method too
while this can work easily at home on the couch or the kitchen table or watching a craps table when no pressure exists

do you really think that a new person to the don't side

under pressure to know what to bet right after his point is established
can easily multiply $5 by X and again by X - quickly and confidently?

even how much you win on the pass odds is what you can lay odds takes some time under pressure too.
I say 1 out of 100 on average would

actually it does get easier the more times you do it. So it seems that a don't player needs to practice this so he can use a simple key like 3x the flat for 5,9 and 4x for 4,10 and 2.5x for 6,8 for 2x odds. this is simple??

there must be one method that is so simple and easy to use that a four year old could do it while playing video games at the same time
wouldn't one think so?
it may be up to the player too.
which ever way is easiest for you to start
and when confused, ask your dealer

Sally

For a 5x odds table it helps if 5 times your don't-pass bet is evenly divisible by 6. This makes what you lay and the payout whole dollar amounts. For a 5x table example I wager $6 on the don't-pass line. For 4/10 I lay $60, for 5/9 $45 and for 6/8 $36. In each case a win would pay $30 on the lay, 5 times the bet. Just figure out these values before you take a spot at the tub and you'll do fine. Don't forget some whites when you buy in if needed.

OP asked how to calculate it, so that is an exact answer that takes any odds scenario into account. With 3x4x5 the simple answer is, as you already stated, "multiply your flat by 6."

Something much simpler could be - multiply your flat by the odds allowed, then round it to the nearest number divisible by 6 (regardless of the point.) This wouldn't maximize the odds, but would prevent having to ask the dealer every time if it is an acceptable amount.

For 3, 4, 5 with a $5 flat, this would amount to
4/10: $5 * 3 = $15 - round to either $12 or $18
5/9: $5 * 4 = $20 - round to either $18 or $24
6/8: $5 * 5 = $25 - round to either $24 or $30

For 2x with a $5 flat
(any point): $5 * 2 = $10 - round to either $6 or $12

Something else to consider: if you are experienced with the odds on the pass side, you can always figure out what the payout would be for max odds on the pass side, and lay that amount. As an example, a $5 flat on a point of 4 at a 3x4x5 table would allow $15 odds, and pays $30. On the don't side, you can lay that same $30 to win $15. This strategy will be true regardless of the flat/odds/point (except in some special cases - such as good old Hollywood @ Charlestown, WV that will allow a $40 odds on a $15 flat at a 2x table on a point of 5/9. But they will only allow a max lay of $45 for a payout of $30 with that same $15 flat on the don't.)

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Just figure out these values before you take a spot at the tub and you'll do fine. Don't forget some whites when you buy in if needed.

that probably is the easiest way to go about this

figure your bets out before you get to the table using any of the above methods
put them on the back of a business card and stick it in your pocket or on the small shelf at the table.
you have to look at it, look

the dealers may ask what you got on that card, just tell them it helps out while sometimes under pressure
Sally

If you download any kind of craps program - WinCraps, for example - you can configure the odds however you'd like 3/4/5, 5x, 100x, whatever.

You can also configure it to always bet max odds.

If you play with these two settings for a while, you'll very quickly understand what the appropriate bet(s) are for any given DP wager.

There are also lots of free craps programs out there for iOS or Android, and some of them don't calculate these maximums correctly. I know from personal experience that "Craps Trainer" for Android will allow you to overbet DP odds on 6/4 and 5/9.