Betting it all on the field

Quote: bodyforlife

rudeboyoi,

Thank you so much! I visit this forum periodically because of people like you. Helpful and informative as opposed to the animosity that is often present on the internet. Perhaps 2014 will be the year where ridicule will take a back seat to civil, reasoned conversation. But then again, I am the eternal optimist. Thanks again for your help.

You're welcome.

Quote: MidwestAP

Streaks happen all the time but what has happened in the recent past, has no influence on what is about to happen in a game with random outcomes. These streaks/trends don't go against math of the game, to the contrary, they over the long run contribute to the math of the game.

The one thing that you don't get is you are not playing craps in the long run, you are only there for the short run, where anything can and does happen! In the short run they do go against the math, but after 10,000 rolls of the dice, they do even out the math of the game. Do you have the time and the money to be there for the long run?

Quote: MidwestAP

A football outcome isn't made up or random events, the players, coaches, game plan, weather, home field, and many other things contribute to a win or a loss. A more skilled team in more likely to win, not based on a win streak, but based on talent.

Your wrong everything is made up from random events, ten of your best players could randomly come down with the flu before the big game, did I just say randomly, that's right the whole team didn't come down with it and nobody was picking the players that came down with it, now was there? So it was a random event that may have caused them to lose their big game!

Quote: MidwestAP

Fashion trends come and go, what the heck that has to do with dice and random events, I have no idea.

It's a random event, that you can't tell when it's going to end, no one can tell when a trend is ending, but there are plenty of people that use random events everyday to make money! The stores that order that hot new trend, don’t know when it will end, its a gamble for them to place their order!

For you AP card players, there is no doubt that when you are getting those winning hands that a trend is happening, if it wasn't a trend, you would win every hand that you ever played!

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Quote: superrick

The one thing that you don't get is you are not playing craps in the long run, you are only there for the short run, where anything can and does happen! In the short run they do go against the math, but after 10,000 rolls of the dice, they do even out the math of the game. Do you have the time and the money to be there for the long run?

Your wrong everything is made up from random events, ten of your best players could randomly come down with the flu before the big game, did I just say randomly, that's right the whole team didn't come down with it and nobody was picking the players that came down with it, now was there? So it was a random event that may have caused them to lose their big game!

It's a random event, that you can't tell when it's going to end, no one can tell when a trend is ending, but there are plenty of people that use random events everyday to make money! The stores that order that hot new trend, don’t know when it will end, its a gamble for them to place their order!

For you AP card players, there is no doubt that when you are getting those winning hands that a trend is happening, if it wasn't a trend, you would win every hand that you ever played!

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There are so many holes in your analogy's it seems like trending random events.

Quote: superrick

The one thing that you don't get is you are not playing craps in the long run, you are only there for the short run, where anything can and does happen! In the short run they do go against the math, but after 10,000 rolls of the dice, they do even out the math of the game. Do you have the time and the money to be there for the long run?

Not true, I do understand that I'm only at the table to see a short term result. And the long term result approaches the overall expected distribution of numbers. The short term doesn't go 'against the math', it's just a part of many small experiences of short term rolls that make up the long term. I agree that many field roll numbers can and do come in bunches (as do non-field roll numbers). Where I completely disagree, is that a table that has shown a lot of recent field numbers has any predictive power, thus making the field a 'good bet'.

Both a field bet and a pass line bet have a negative expectation. And both bets can win and lose in streaks. But, since the past has no impact on the future and the HE is higher on the field, I'll take the pass line. Why you may ask? Because my money will last longer over many sessions and I that is what I need to focus on as no one can predict the short term results on a fair dice table.

Quote: superrick

Your wrong everything is made up from random events, ten of your best players could randomly come down with the flu before the big game, did I just say randomly, that's right the whole team didn't come down with it and nobody was picking the players that came down with it, now was there? So it was a random event that may have caused them to lose their big game!

Wrong. While random events can impact the outcome, there are so many none random events that have a much greater impact in the end result. The coaches don't call plays randomly, the strength of the players isn't random. You make it sound like the outcome is as simple as flipping a coin, just not true. And by the way, steaks in football are usually, but not always an indication of the skill of the team. But a winning streak alone isn't the reason wager on a team, it comes down to matchups, relative strength, home field and other non-random events.

Quote: superrick

It's a random event, that you can't tell when it's going to end, no one can tell when a trend is ending, but there are plenty of people that use random events everyday to make money! The stores that order that hot new trend, don’t know when it will end, its a gamble for them to place their order!

Shaking my head!

Quote: superrick

For you AP card players, there is no doubt that when you are getting those winning hands that a trend is happening, if it wasn't a trend, you would win every hand that you ever played!

Actually, for an AP card player, what has happened in the past in terms of wins/losses doesn't have any impact on the next hand (except for bankroll management). In blackjack, if the TC is positive enough, I'm betting on the the next hand regardless if I've won 5 in a row or lost 5 in a row. Conversely, if the TC is negative, I'm pulling back or walking away regardless if I've won 5 in a row or lost 5 in a row. BJ isn't like dice in that the deck composition changes as the cards are used up and put in the discard rack, therefore the remainder of the deck may either favor or dis-favor the player. Dice rolls are completely random (short of any discussion on dice influence/control, which I'm quite certain I don't want to open up again), thus the next roll has the same probablity of landing on any given number the exactly the same as the previous roll or any roll. A streak predicts nothing!

Midwestap




If as you have indicated your discounting any dicussion of dice control and the ability of one
person to affect the outcome of the game...... what do you have left..... exactly ..nothing


you have a game with completely random results which inherently means anything can and will happen.

I have been in this dice control advantage play stuff for a long time, and have heard the same
stuff for a long time, bet the pass line and two come bets and you are a tuff player, bet the pass line
and place the 6 & 8 and the casino knows your hard to beat.....sheep dip!!!!!

Everybody and his brother has read the books and you go to any casino and what do they do, pass
line and 6 & 8 and the guys throws 5 9's and a 7 and you make nothing.

Supperick is not saying dont use your head, dont make any good bets, he is saying just use your head.
I have played with him, he uses his.... period

When you play there are dicisions to make if you watch your rolls and with a set you are throwing
more 8 & 9's than 5 & 6, bet the 8 & 9. Me me if i am repeating well and they are the same numbers
i place the 2 numbers i am repeating most. I am not saying well ok the next roll is goling to be a 9
because the last one was, what i am reacting to is the last 2 rolls i have repeated 9's and this is
the best information i have.

This is not trend betting it is just using your head and paying attention.

In my mind trend betting is going to the table and betting a pass line and 6 & 8 and no one
has been hitting one for an hour. You ignor reality .


I am a firm beleiver in knowing the odds on the table, but then you need to take advantage
of what is going on.

The guy that pays attention will beat the 6 & 8 guy almost every time.

dicesetter

Dicesetter - Thanks for the reply.

I'm actually not discounting nor validating dice control/dice influence. I just don't want to open up the discussion again, I think it's been beat to death enough and there is still a wide assortment of opinion what, if any advantage can be gained by a controlled toss. As for me, it makes sense in theory, just don't know if it can really be done by a human in casino conditions.

If we assume the case that Superrick was referencing is that he perceives dice influence as a way to gain a slight edge on field roll numbers, then we don't have randomness (again, if one believes that dice can be influenced) and a case could be argued. But that's not what was stated and I maintain my assertion that the past results have no bearing on future results.

Quote: dicesitter

Supperick is not saying dont use your head, dont make any good bets, he is saying just use your head.

No what he was saying is that a large amount of field number rolls in the recent past make it a good reason to bet them going forward, his words "good bet". That is absolute garbage in a random game.

Quote: dicesitter

When you play there are dicisions to make if you watch your rolls and with a set you are throwing
more 8 & 9's than 5 & 6, bet the 8 & 9. Me me if i am repeating well and they are the same numbers
i place the 2 numbers i am repeating most. I am not saying well ok the next roll is goling to be a 9
because the last one was, what i am reacting to is the last 2 rolls i have repeated 9's and this is
the best information i have.

This is a different situation if you are claiming that a particular set produces a disproportionate number distribution from the expected distribution. I'm skeptical that this can be done, but not entirely dismissive. Again, that's not what was stated.

Midwestap



I agree with the dice controll stuff, i know what i can and cant do, and i dont
care to talk about it.

All i know Superrick is saying is pay attention when you are playing. I am
also a midwest guy and I am hardnosed GTC...

But having said that I am a better player after playing with Superrick. He
pays attention .

Dicesetter

Quote: MidwestAP

No what he was saying is that a large amount of field number rolls in the recent past make it a good reason to bet them going forward, his words "good bet". That is absolute garbage in a random game.

There are no good bets on a craps table when you only look at the odds or the vig you are paying to make a bet.

The best bets that all the books say to make can, and will be the worst bets you can make on a craps table, if no one is rolling them. That is where all your book learning goes flying out the doors of the casino you are playing in. Players will use no common sense when playing, the right players will keep playing the right side of the table until they are broke, when the table is ice cold, and the trend of the table is that everybody is having roll under 4 rolls of the dice. The same thing goes for the dark-side players when the table is hot, they keep betting like the table is going to change on the next roll of the dice, after all what happened in the pass has nothing to do with what is going to happen on the next roll of the dice.

Tell that to the dealer that has been standing at the table for 8 hours, and he tells you that the table you are about to buy-in on has been cold all night long, and when he came on the table to start working the dealers that were leaving told him about how cold the table was. I've been told many times by dealers that I know that nobody could win on a table, not the right-side players or the dark-side players. The dealer was doing me a favor, by telling me not to buy-in on the table. That the trend of the table was that everybody was losing. Now how in the world could that be? You never see both sides of a table losing,..right? Wrong, there are times that nobody can win at craps, the roll just don't allow it to happen the dark-side players are getting killed with the come-out 7's.

The right-side players are getting killed with the short rolls, the table is so choppy that nobody can figure it out. The players are all chasing their money and just pissing it away by doing so!

The guys that don't play craps all the time and are card players, will tell everybody that everything has to happen by the math of the game, there are no trends, what happened on the last roll of the dice has nothing to do with what is going to happen on the next roll of the dice. Everything has to happen randomly, there is no clumping of numbers on a craps table, the field numbers do not roll in clumps. Everything is in perfect order, conforming to the math of the game. The field is the worst bet on the lay-out, you can't win by betting on the field, that only goes to show that the guys that are saying that, don't spend any time on a craps table.

They occasionally walk by a craps table on their way to the BJ tables, stopping for a min. telling everybody that the guy that is betting the field is a damn fool, and he may be, if nobody is rolling field numbers, but it those field numbers are now coming in clumps, or one particular shooter is making field number after field number he could very well be the smartest player on the table.

Again MidwestAP just how many times do you play craps every week or do you even play it at all?
With a Handel like MidwestAP, I would peg you as a card player, that loves to tell everybody all you know about the game of craps! Maybe I'm wrong, damn I know my wife tells me I'm wrong all the time. The only game I play is craps, I live in Vegas I'm on the tables all the time, I've show others players how to make money when things are out of skew on a craps table and everybody is rolling field numbers. Some of the members on this board have played craps with me when I pointed out things that weren’t right, like the field numbers being out of skew.

Am I telling everybody on this board to bet the field,..no! I consider it a bad bet I do know the math of the game, but I'm not going to stand there and tell everybody that they shouldn't be betting the field if everybody is rolling field numbers. I will make money on those field numbers if they are being rolled. The truth of the mater is there are no bad bets on a craps table, if the shooter is rolling them.

But if you are betting prop bets when they are not being rolled, you are throwing your money away. If you don't have commonsense, don't play craps, is all I can tell everybody! We could argue the point about trends for the rest of the year, you saying that there are none, that what happened in the past has no effect on what will happen on the next roll of the dice, that if you vary from the math of the game you are going to lose. When the truth of the matter is very simple if you go by the math of the game and there are no trends happening you are going to lose, because you are playing a negative game, and most player will never get it!


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I always bet "inside". Should I press or "up a unit" tis' the question my sir. If it's hot I charge full speed ahead- press, than 30%, another 20% increase, and when it's cold up $6 on a $12 bet,

Quote: superrick

The one thing that you don't get is you are not playing craps in the long run, you are only there for the short run, where anything can and does happen! In the short run they do go against the math, but after 10,000 rolls of the dice, they do even out the math of the game. Do you have the time and the money to be there for the long run?

The thing that you don't get is that many short runs add up to one long run. 10,000 rolls might be 100 hours of play. So while you won't play 10,000 rolls in a day or a week, you might play them over a year or 2 (5 hrs/month is 60 hrs/year)

The fact that you stop when you are up $500 today is completely irrelevant if you come back tomorrow, or next week, or next month. You are not actually stopping, you're just pausing. If you play even semi-regularly, you will probably play enough that your total losses come close to expectation over your lifetime.

Quote: superrick

There are no good bets on a craps table when you only look at the odds or the vig you are paying to make a bet.

The best bets that all the books say to make can, and will be the worst bets you can make on a craps table, if no one is rolling them. That is where all your book learning goes flying out the doors of the casino you are playing in. Players will use no common sense when playing, the right players will keep playing the right side of the table until they are broke, when the table is ice cold, and the trend of the table is that everybody is having roll under 4 rolls of the dice. The same thing goes for the dark-side players when the table is hot, they keep betting like the table is going to change on the next roll of the dice, after all what happened in the pass has nothing to do with what is going to happen on the next roll of the dice.

This is just silly. And not much diffrent from things that Varmenti and gra8player say.

Craps is no different than bingo: You pick your numbers. If they come up, you win. If they don't, you lose.

Quote: Sonny44

Craps is no different than bingo: You pick your numbers. If they come up, you win. If they don't, you lose.

Better odds in bingo sometimes +ev

Signed in to see this thread and thought i'd share last nights visit to the craps table.

Asian guy buys in $500 and placed $50 on the field and decided to parley the win only to lose it all to a shooter rolling 5's & 8's.

After 7 out, he got the dice and decided to buy in another $500 and low and behold he rolled a $50.00 winner followed by $100, $200, $400, $800 and max'd out with a very nice $1000.00 win from his parley on the field. Too each his own I guess.

I think it would be much better to just play a $25.00 horn and $100 outside ($25.00 4,5,9,10) and hard ways as bonus.

Quote: CrapsGenious

Signed in to see this thread and thought i'd share last nights visit to the craps table.

Asian guy buys in $500 and placed $50 on the field and decided to parley the win only to lose it all to a shooter rolling 5's & 8's.

After 7 out, he got the dice and decided to buy in another $500 and low and behold he rolled a $50.00 winner followed by $100, $200, $400, $800 and max'd out with a very nice $1000.00 win from his parley on the field. Too each his own I guess.

I think it would be much better to just play a $25.00 horn and $100 outside ($25.00 4,5,9,10) and hard ways as bonus.

On my way to work today, I saw a guy running across the freeway. The average speed of the cars was 70mph and all lanes were being used. He ran back and forth ten times and didn't get hit. To each his own I guess.

Although personally, I wouldn't do it.

This didn't really happen, CrapsGenious, but I was just applying the same logic you used in your post. This conversation isn't worth the effort. In the end, it's your money so I don't care. Good luck.

One night at Barona a younger guy that I had talked to a couple of times before was playing and doing well. He had only learned to play craps maybe a month previously and didn't have any kind of system and his results were very volatile - big wins and big losses. He'd regularly throw $100 or $200 in the field along with his numerous other bets. This night the point was 4 and he had $100 on odds along with his $25 pass line bet, $25 on all the hard ways and $100 in the field. A hard 4 was rolled and he got paid 3 ways - pass line with odds, field, and hard way. He pressed his hard way bets to $50 each and both the hard 6 and hard 8 were rolled. That was all in 4 rolls.

He asks if he can color up "because I've never had a yellow chip ($1000)" and they say okay. As he's picking up his two yellow chips I say "Throw them in the field!" (joking of course). The guy next to me looked shocked and I said "The way his luck is going he'll hit a 12.". The younger guy looks and me and puts a yellow chip in the field and hits a 12.

I felt he could have at least tipped the shooter considering how much money he'd won in such few rolls. Later he did lose $1000 in the field but he finished up that night by over $6000.

I think the biggest field bet I've ever placed is $25 but then it's rare that I bet the field at all.

I hope I get to the point in my life where I can make a $1000 field bet on a dare

Quote: PBguy

I felt he could have at least tipped the shooter considering how much money he'd won in such few rolls. Later he did lose $1000 in the field but he finished up that night by over $6000.

I'm not sure what craps etiquette is when it comes to tipping the other shooters. I mean, was the shooter magic or something? Tipping other shooters is just ridiculous IMO. Unless everyone is betting the same amounts and tipping back and forth the same amounts, this is a crappy deal for people makeing larg wagers or risky ones. Maybe this is how some small level DI's/seasoned craps players make money. Bet small, wait for a big bet sucker to come along, get lucky for him, get tipped big amounts.

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not sure what craps etiquette is when it comes to tipping the other shooters. I mean, was the shooter magic or something? Tipping other shooters is just ridiculous IMO. Unless everyone is betting the same amounts and tipping back and forth the same amounts, this is a crappy deal for people makeing larg wagers or risky ones. Maybe this is how some small level DI's/seasoned craps players make money. Bet small, wait for a big bet sucker to come along, get lucky for him, get tipped big amounts.

From my experience if a shooter makes someone a lot of money it's common to tip them particularly if the shooter doesn't have much in his rail to start with. I'm not talking about $500 or something, even just throwing money out on the hardways for the shooter is always appreciated.

Quote: PBguy

From my experience if a shooter makes someone a lot of money it's common to tip them particularly if the shooter doesn't have much in his rail to start with. I'm not talking about $500 or something, even just throwing money out on the hardways for the shooter is always appreciated.

What percentage of craps players do this tipping thing?

Quote: AxelWolf

What percentage of craps players do this tipping thing?

I was playing at a casino in the NW, next to a guy w/ green & black chips in his rack. I was on a good hot roll, making money for him. He turned to me and said, "If you hit a 5, I'll give you $500." The 5 was my number, too, so I wanted it. I rolled 2 more rolls & 7 Out. Thing is, wish I'd have hit the 5 & seen whether he'd have given me a purple.

Craps is a people game. I can understand the focus on the shooter and tipping him, but it's really about how the dice are rolling. I'm a random shooter. I had nothing to do with how the dice were coming up. But, that's how craps players are; they think the person shooting (not a DIer) is responsible for how the dice are rolling. I didn't want a number so much in my life.

But, I'm not that much of a winner to afford dolling out to other shooters. Win or lose, I always toke the crew. It gets down to who you are as to who you want to toke.

Quote: PBguy

One night at Barona a younger guy that I had talked to a couple of times before was playing and doing well. He had only learned to play craps maybe a month previously and didn't have any kind of system and his results were very volatile - big wins and big losses. He'd regularly throw $100 or $200 in the field along with his numerous other bets. This night the point was 4 and he had $100 on odds along with his $25 pass line bet, $25 on all the hard ways and $100 in the field. A hard 4 was rolled and he got paid 3 ways - pass line with odds, field, and hard way. He pressed his hard way bets to $50 each and both the hard 6 and hard 8 were rolled. That was all in 4 rolls.

He asks if he can color up "because I've never had a yellow chip ($1000)" and they say okay. As he's picking up his two yellow chips I say "Throw them in the field!" (joking of course). The guy next to me looked shocked and I said "The way his luck is going he'll hit a 12.". The younger guy looks and me and puts a yellow chip in the field and hits a 12.

I felt he could have at least tipped the shooter considering how much money he'd won in such few rolls. Later he did lose $1000 in the field but he finished up that night by over $6000.

I think the biggest field bet I've ever placed is $25 but then it's rare that I bet the field at all.

Tip the crew not the shooter. Having to tip the shooter is ridiculous.

I gave a tip and made a couple of bets for a young girl on her honeymoon at Atlantis last year - and one other time in New Orleans for some dude who was obviously pretty poor and had just wondered in the casino - but for the most part I'm of the opinion that the shooter on a hot roll can make their own bets.

I know the horn bets are horrible but I still always make a $25 horn high 12 bet on the roll after the point has been established. Usually its money pissed away. This last weekend in Vegas I went 12, 11, 12, 3, 3 2. It was awesome and made up for a otherwise crappy trip in terms of craps play. Too bad the 12's didnt come on the back end........

Quote: AZDuffman

Tip the crew not the shooter. Having to tip the shooter is ridiculous.

No one suggested that you HAVE to tip the shooter. In this case the guy made over $5,000 while the shooter made less than $50. I certainly wouldn't hestitate to throw the shooter a green chip or two!

Quote: Nostron

I gave a tip and made a couple of bets for a young girl on her honeymoon at Atlantis last year - and one other time in New Orleans for some dude who was obviously pretty poor and had just wondered in the casino - but for the most part I'm of the opinion that the shooter on a hot roll can make their own bets.

I know the horn bets are horrible but I still always make a $25 horn high 12 bet on the roll after the point has been established. Usually its money pissed away. This last weekend in Vegas I went 12, 11, 12, 3, 3 2. It was awesome and made up for a otherwise crappy trip in terms of craps play. Too bad the 12's didnt come on the back end........

In the story I posted it really wasn't a hot roll except for the guy that pressed his hard ways and then bet the field. I made a total of about $40 on his roll and the shooter didn't make much at all since he was only playing the pass line.

Quote: AxelWolf

What percentage of craps players do this tipping thing?

I have no idea what percentage do it and no way to know. Not that many players at my local casinos bet big enough to have a huge win on a regular roll so I don't see too many tips for the shooter. A kid I know got about $50 in tips when he kept rolling 4s and 10s and another player had bought them each for $100 then pressed as they kept hitting. I think he hit them 7 or 8 times combined.

I do think it's more common for guys to tip female shooters than another guy.

Quote: PBguy

I have no idea what percentage do it and no way to know. Not that many players at my local casinos bet big enough to have a huge win on a regular roll so I don't see too many tips for the shooter. A kid I know got about $50 in tips when he kept rolling 4s and 10s and another player had bought them each for $100 then pressed as they kept hitting. I think he hit them 7 or 8 times combined.

I do think it's more common for guys to tip female shooters than another guy.

Really? I am astounded by that. What if they are fat and ugly?

Quote: AxelWolf

What percentage of craps players do this tipping thing?

I don't understand the novice player(Shooter) who has an initial bet of $5 or $10 on the pass line rolls 20 numbers and wont put money on any numbers. So one trip I had a 23 year old or so doing just that. By the time he threw about 7 different numbers I progressed slowly and had the 4,5,6,8. 9 and 10. 150-200 ea. I was begging the shooter to bet some numbers. He seemed a little frightened. Not frightened of losing money just intimidated. So by his 11th roll I told him I would put the money up for him. 25.00 each number. He said no but I did anyway. Told him if he makes me money I will make him money. Now he was really intimidated. He proceeded to roll 7 more numbers before he rolled his point! I got my initial bet back from him and he made an extra 200 or so plus his $5 initial bet.

Now a days being a dark side player 90% of the time I was at the table where another 20 something was playing with his friends. He was rude, drunk and just obnoxious. Talking crap to me for no reason except I was on the dark side. (Minding my own business and winning) This kid was now the shooter playing his 25.00 pass line bet ONLY and saying I will take all your money as if im playing against him. I told him throw 20 numbers in a row take your profit and then throw a 7 for me! that way we both make money. That did quiet him a little. I told him I would make him money if he threw a 7.. after 2 rolls the 7 came up. I threw him 50$... (I made 500) I have been known to do that quit often. You would be surprised how the all mighty dollar turns people in to your best friend. It only cost me 5 to 25 bucks depending! (When im winning of course) So, yes I will tip the shooter from time to time. By the way I always tip the dealers after winning. Always! Well unless they are miserable like most craps dealers at the Wynn.

I have been given a black for rolling a hard way when the guy had $500 on it (AND he put me up on the hardway for $100 too).
I have been given a red and a couple of times I got a green.

I have given out a couple of reds, and the shooter who hit my $500 Buy 10 got $25, and after I pressed it to $1000, and he hit it again, he got a black chip.
Too bad he didn't hit it again. :-(
He was loving that.

Quote: AxelWolf

What percentage of craps players do this tipping thing?

I was tipped twice in the form of $5 hard way bets when I was having a long roll. Only hit one hard way. Too bad. And I splt the payoff with the dealers.

Once a newlywed couple was at the table... and I mean NEWLY WED. She was in her gown and he was wearing the tux. They only had $25 on the passline. She shot for about five minutes which in reality can make you a lot of money at a craps table. After her third pass, on the come out she threw a craps, so I threw her $25 for another passline bet.

If I was ever at the table for some monster roll that netted me $10,000 or more I would gladly tip the shooter.

If ever I am at a table and the shooter throws all six for the max fire bet, I will give 10%... at a $10 firebet table that would be $1,000.

Hasn't happened yet. (I was at a six point fire table only once but years ago... before my personal resolution to tip the next shooter who does it.)

Instinctive maximum boldness?

I got a tip at the Quad of all places from a seven star a few months ago. I didn't hit the fire bet but made 6 points (3 of the same on the 8) and he made like $1k or so. Gave me a couple of greens. Then he had to go eat Chinese. I'm assuming he meant back to his room where his Chinese girlfriend was. I was right.

Quote: PBguy

No one suggested that you HAVE to tip the shooter. In this case the guy made over $5,000 while the shooter made less than $50. I certainly wouldn't hestitate to throw the shooter a green chip or two!

For what reason? The crew was doing the work, not the shooter.

Quote: AZDuffman

For what reason? The crew was doing the work, not the shooter.

Actually, it was the butterfly in South Aftrica that stirred the air so that the dice at the table in Vegas rotated enough to avoid the 7 for all those rolls. Next time, if you don't tip the shooter, send a donation to the Buttefly Society.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Actually, it was the butterfly in South Aftrica that stirred the air so that the dice at the table in Vegas rotated enough to avoid the 7 for all those rolls. Next time, if you don't tip the shooter, send a donation to the Buttefly Society.

That makes more sense than blaming it on global warming I guess.

Quote: djatc

Then he had to go eat Chinese. I'm assuming he meant back to his room where his Chinese girlfriend was. I was right.

Now that's funny.

I'm glad to read that others do tip the shooter at times and have been tipped too.

Since I can't tip the dice I'll gladly tip the shooter if he/she makes me a lot of money.

Like many of you, i have been tipped on some of my nice rolls, but to be honest i
feel badly about that, i dont need some one elses money.

I understand thinking that is stupid, they are just being nice, but i have been stubbornly
a i will do it myself guy...i even hate christmas presents, i dont need anything.

The only exception to that was in St Louis couple of years ago. I have a real nice 49 roll
on the crapless table and we all made some decent money, i guy at the end was betting real
high and at the cage he cashed in a very big stack of orange chips. He saw me next to him
at the next window and said to some girl, this is the guy and threw me a red chip. That was funny,
i have no idea how the guy ever got a red chip.

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