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Welcome all purveyors of darkness at the craps table. Please share your favorite success or entertaining voyage on the darkside.

7-out, line away, pay the don't.

Last year, I am playing at Main Street Station in my favorite position, directly next to the dealer. I am quietly playing the DC and making very good money on a frozen cold table. Most rightside players had dug into their wallets for additional buy-in several times. A lady directly opposite me (across the table) asks the dealer, "What is he doing to win all this money?" The dealer replies "Oh, he is betting against the table. It's a bad way to play. It's no fun, and most don't do it."

I said nothing in response, but did wonder who was having more fun: me filling my rail or the others continuously pulling $100 out of their wallets.

And an example of how NOT to play the darkside.

I am a very quiet player, feeling that it is bad etiquette to cheer upon a win in which most others lost. But not others feel that way.

One particular night, this "gentleman" approaches the table. He was a young kid and had obviously been drinking heavily. He throws his $3 down on the DP and starts chanting that he is "darth vader" and cheering for a 7-out. Upon a win, he yells to the other players that "I won. You lost."

After a few minutes of this, the pit boss comes over and says, "Sir, I'm happy that you won. But if you make my other players uncomfortable, you'll have to leave." To which he mumbles under his breath, "Who is he to tell me what to do. I can bet how I want."

I left under that, feeling that things could get ugly.

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Last year, I am playing at Main Street Station in my favorite position, directly next to the dealer. I am quietly playing the DC and making very good money on a frozen cold table. Most rightside players had dug into their wallets for additional buy-in several times. A lady directly opposite me (across the table) asks the dealer, "What is he doing to win all this money?" The dealer replies "Oh, he is betting against the table. It's a bad way to play. It's no fun, and most don't do it."

I said nothing in response, but did wonder who was having more fun: me filling my rail or the others continuously pulling $100 out of their wallets.

First a disclaimer - I don't always play the darkside, but when I do ....

I've never heard a dealer say this is a bad way to play. I've heard other people explain to their friends that I'm betting with the house - I wish! I correct them if there's an opportunity. I've had people switch from rightside to darkside because I'm winning that way. They lose and walk away in disgust.

But I have two favorite stories.

One is similar to your tale of the loud young kid. My guy was an older gentleman who didn't taunt the other players, but he did keep yelling for the seven and made a ton of prop bets - "Come on big red!!" I didn't mind him drawing attention to himself, but then he started drawing me into it when we won, pointing at me and yelling, "There ya go, we like that seven!" And we were at opposite ends of the table, so everyone knew, and some probably thought we were together. I just wanted to crawl under a rock.

The Black Hat

I stayed at the Silver Legacy and started my gambling there with some craps, playing the don't pass. I walked up to the table and stood at an open spot on the other side of the stick from a fellow wearing a black had. I bought in for $300 and made my $5 DP bet and then noticed Black Hat was also betting the DP, but his bet was more like $300. We both laid full odds, at least I'm pretty sure he was, but my brain stopped being able to multiply by 6 with numbers larger than 200. The table was choppy and after a few points were made he got another $5000 marker. Sometimes he would bet $500 (and maybe more) always with a big stack of odds. I used to feel uncomfortable when playing at a table with a high roller, especially when I'm betting on the opposite side - winning $30 when he's losing hundreds, so I was at least glad we were both on the don't. Unlike some big bettors I've seen, this guy acted like an average person at the table - he could have been me except his bets were about 100 times bigger. (There's one guy who plays at one of the Indian casinos here, not quite as much, who just makes an ass of himself - not at all friendly and bitching about short rolls even when it's clear there is no attempt at dice control.) Black Hat would get frustrated when he lost, but not overly loud and angry. He was friendly with the dealers and tipped well.

I left that table after getting up about $50 - it's always nice to start a trip with a win - and went to play some video poker. A little while later I walked to Circus Circus and somebody eating a meal at the electronic craps game asked me how I did. I didn't recognize him and must have looked puzzled, and he said, "At craps." He told me that after I left he had "taken Black Hat for about 7K." I didn't know what to say, probably grunted out something like, "uh-huh," and walked away wondering why anyone feels that way about people playing the don't. Unless he's a casino employee, he didn't "take" anything. He won whatever he won and the Casino was happy to take the 7K. I know there's a lot of "me vs. you" thinking between light side and dark side players, but really, why can't we all get along? It's all of us against the house!

Darkside nonsense




Well i dont play it, but i can tell you how stupid some dark siders can be.


Two years ago before they raised Oshea's, my wife was in the pool at Harrah's and
i decided to go play some.

I went over to Oshea's to play they had three tables, i liked the middle 12 footer.
When i got there it was half full and on right end was a guy about 30 with maybe
$4500 in chips playing the dark side and hollering like , well you have seen it.

I got the dice and 54 rolls later he was diggin in his pocket for a crumpled up
$5 bill to STILL " bet the dark side.

Well he won that $5

DICESETTER

Congratulations on the nice roll. The doom of many a darksider is to keep taking a beating on a hot shooter. Myself, I will stop the dark on a given shooter upon the loss of the first bet that has odds with it. And if the shooter makes two points in a row, I will even transition to the light side. No sense throwing good money after bad.

I've played a ton of dark side, but I don't have any great stories...I already shared my most notable story in this thread over here. Had some good clean fun with right-side bettors over the years talking smack back and forth. I think I've only seriously pissed off one guy; a story which I've also already told over here.

Here is one for you.. I wont play at the venetian anymore due to terrible customer service and bad comping. My friend was on his way there to see a show. He had about 45 minutes and said why don't you roll. We were the only ones at the table. We were just playing around and I said ok. He bet 300 don't. I took the dice and first roil was a 6. He put 300 behind and next roll was a 7. Winner! Roll #2 was the same bet. I rolled and a 10 came up then the 7! Winner. 3rd roll he bet 500 on the don't and I rolled a 2. Another winner. 4th bet 500 and I rolled a 6. This time he put out 1500 min odds again the next roll was a 7.. Long story short By the 19th roll in a roll and pressing he had accumulated 21,000!!!! A record! All in less then 35 minutes! Left after two loses in a row.

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Here is one for you.. I wont play at the venetian anymore due to terrible customer service and bad comping. My friend was on his way there to see a show. He had about 45 minutes and said why don't you roll. We were the only ones at the table. We were just playing around and I said ok. He bet 300 don't. I took the dice and first roil was a 6. He put 300 behind and next roll was a 7. Winner! Roll #2 was the same bet. I rolled and a 10 came up then the 7! Winner. 3rd roll he bet 500 on the don't and I rolled a 2. Another winner. 4th bet 500 and I rolled a 6. This time he put out 1500 min odds again the next roll was a 7.. Long story short By the 19th roll in a roll and pressing he had accumulated 21,000!!!! A record! All in less then 35 minutes! Left after two loses in a row.

What does that have to do with "terrible customer service"?

It's odd, but understandable that I don't have many stories about playing the darkside. I suppose its not a side that you go out of your way jumping up and down on a win and high fiving other players. With that said...

One of my best dark side moments was probably playing at the Flamingo. Here I am betting the darkside against everyone who is shooting on the table. I'm betting against Mr. Moneybags, the Seven Eleven owner, and a bunch of pubescent college kids with grandpa. Mr. Moneybags has about 2-3 grand in chips in greens across the table. I'm betting $10 DP against him, and everyone else for that matter. When I start to roll, I switch my DP to a PL. He switches his PL to a DP. Well well well, "It's on like donkey kong!" First roll, 7 winner! Moneybags doubles his DP against me. Next roll, point of 6. I hit my 6. Moneybags now puts everything he got on the DP. My palms are a little sweaty. "Don't hate the player, just hate the game." I seven out on the next point. His wife takes all his winnings and cashes out.

Any time I played only the Don't, in Atlantic City, over a one or two night junket, I won. Biggest win was at the Showboat of all places, I won $13,600.usd and was rated as winning over $15,000. On the return flight the junket rep asked how I did, I told him I won a little. He said they showed the $15K winnings and "your should give me some". Needless to say it was my first hard lesson about junket reps. He was serious, not joking. Not rude or anything just asking for a cut.

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I know there's a lot of "me vs. you" thinking between light side and dark side players, but really, why can't we all get along? It's all of us against the house!

The only guy I've been annoyed by (not seriously agitated or anything, I just thought it was a dick move) was a few weeks ago at Caesar's AC. I stepped up to the table and saw one guy betting don't on every shooter. I generally play the don't as well, even on myself. Dice come to me, he sees I'm betting the don't as well, and switches to the pass line. I can understand preferring the don't over the pass, but it was like he was intentionally rooting for me to lose my money.

Of course my first roll was a yo, he smiled and picked up his chips. 3 rolls later I sevened out and he lost his pass line / max odds. I shook my head and said "should've kept with your strategy." I put my chips down to color up and as I was walking away he called me an asshole. LOL!

This happened about 25 years ago at Harrahs AC.

They had a table that was roped off. At one of the tables there were three old timers playing the pass line. They must have been playing before they roped off the table and were allowed to play. At the other end of the table was a high roller with $5K gray chips. He was playing the DP.

When we walked up to the table to watch, he had a bank roll in front of him of a row and a half of $5K chips. (A million dollars?) He was playing DP with full odds. The crowd around the table was growing and you had to look into the mirrored ceiling to see what was going on at the table.

A woman next to me asked what was going on, I explained the action to her. I said he just bet $10K on the DP and the point was 4. He backed it up with and additional $40K in odds. He had $50K bet on the DP4. You can guess what happened. The 4 came in. He just lost $50K, the cost of a nice house those days. Think about that. He was betting houses, not chips.

He continued to lose. After a while he could hold his entire bank roll in one hand. I was with a friend who stayed to watch and I decided to seek my fortune at another craps table. My friend came over later while I was still playing and I asked him what happened. He said "He lost it all."

I don't know what he started with but I saw a row and a 1/2 of gray chips in front of him.

Oh yeah, those old timers in their plaid shirts and polyester pants were winners playing the pass line. I also came out a winner. I won some money and got comped two dinners for myself and my friend.

When we were eating dinner, I commented to my friend. If I was that guy with a million dollars, I would have had a blonde on one arm and a red head on the other arm. LOL!!!

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This happened about 25 years ago at Harrahs AC.

They had a table that was roped off. At one of the tables there were three old timers playing the pass line. They must have been playing before they roped off the table and were allowed to play. At the other end of the table was a high roller with $5K gray chips. He was playing the DP.

When we walked up to the table to watch, he had a bank roll in front of him of a row and a half of $5K chips. (A million dollars?) He was playing DP with full odds. The crowd around the table was growing and you had to look into the mirrored ceiling to see what was going on at the table.

A woman next to me asked what was going on, I explained the action to her. I said he just bet $10K on the DP and the point was 4. He backed it up with and additional $40K in odds. He had $50K bet on the DP4. You can guess what happened. The 4 came in. He just lost $50K, the cost of a nice house those days. Think about that. He was betting houses, not chips.

He continued to lose. After a while he could hold his entire bank roll in one hand. I was with a friend who stayed to watch and I decided to seek my fortune at another craps table. My friend came over later while I was still playing and I asked him what happened. He said "He lost it all."

I don't know what he started with but I saw a row and a 1/2 of gray chips in front of him.

Oh yeah, those old timers in their plaid shirts and polyester pants were winners playing the pass line. I also came out a winner. I won some money and got comped two dinners for myself and my friend.

When we were eating dinner, I commented to my friend. If I was that guy with a million dollars, I would have had a blonde on one arm and a red head on the other arm. LOL!!!

Aside from tonights darkside shooter who was the only guy who lost his shirt chasing a hot shooter who took him for over 2000 there was a new shooter that came up to the table and started to Lay the 4 for 50 and 25DP line and played this way for more than 2 hrs and left with just under 600.00 profits. I can totally see a more productive way to bet like that but it worked for him tonight.

I can only remember one guy who gave somebody else grief for playing the dark side. But this is on the East Coast and I think outside of AC anyway, players are just more laid back about it.

Looks like near future my focus will not be on the darkside, but when I have played it's been OK and nobody ever hassled me to speak of. But just OK. The perversity of one experience I still ponder: I had set myself up with all six numbers traveling off the Don't line and the DC, feeling pretty good even though the session started with a 7-winner against me. Now the odds were on my side! I replaced a few numbers after seeing them get picked off, but the "picking off" continued and I quit replacing. Finally all were gone and no 7-out had been rolled, and to add insult to injury even the Don't Pass line at that juncture went down the tubes!

I never quite get over the idea that the game is player advantage excepting that the 12 is a push. Playing, you get no concept that this makes the difference.

It sure sucks to have a lot of numbers covered on the dark side just to have them picked off one by one. And just as you quit replacing bets and you have nothing left on the table, the 7 comes.

followed by the Yo

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I can only remember one guy who gave somebody else grief for playing the dark side. But this is on the East Coast and I think outside of AC anyway, players are just more laid back about it.

Looks like near future my focus will not be on the darkside, but when I have played it's been OK and nobody ever hassled me to speak of. But just OK. The perversity of one experience I still ponder: I had set myself up with all six numbers traveling off the Don't line and the DC, feeling pretty good even though the session started with a 7-winner against me. Now the odds were on my side! I replaced a few numbers after seeing them get picked off, but the "picking off" continued and I quit replacing. Finally all were gone and no 7-out had been rolled, and to add insult to injury even the Don't Pass line at that juncture went down the tubes!

I never quite get over the idea that the game is player advantage excepting that the 12 is a push. Playing, you get no concept that this makes the difference.

Almost all of my darkside play is one number. I'll take it through the DP or the DC...depending on where I'm standing at the table. Very rarely if the table is ice, I will get a second number and if the first gets picked off I will bump the odds on the remaining bet to cover some or all of my first loss. I don't play max odds because both places I normally play at have 20x and 100x odds. I have never understood taking multiple numbers on the don't. At best, if you have the 4 and 10, the odds of either the 4 or 10 showing are the same as the 7. So even best case with multiple numbers you have a 50/50 shot that one will get picked off.

Okay:

This would be Wheeling Island Hotel, Casino, Racetrack at some time late last year long after I had switched to playing the Right Way. I believe this is one of the only times in my life I bet more than table minimum on a Line Bet.

The story pretty much goes that there were four of us at the table, and I was pretty much sticking to Pass Line + Odds (only betting when I was shooting) and otherwise minding my own business. I'd been playing for about an hour, doing rather well, and I was a bit over $50 ahead. I believe that the plan was to play up to $100+, winning in multiples of $100 or down to even. I had bought in for $100.

In any event, there was a smart@$$ looking older guy there who was betting pretty big on the Don't Pass, except he'd throw out a Pass Line bet, with Odds, when he was shooting. I have no idea why he cared so much, but he was over there shooting off his mouth about me only betting when I was shooting and asking whether or not the dice should come to me unless I started betting on others. My proclivity for being a decent tipper is well-known, and this guy hadn't tipped anyone, so the guy got an answer from the dealers that was a polite, but direct, equivalent of, "Leave him the Hell alone, he can do what he wants!"

Anyhow, I noticed that he didn't make a bet the next time the dice came to me. Instead, he waited until I established a point and then he LAID AGAINST MY POINT. I was unnecessarily annoyed by him doing this, I really shouldn't have cared as it had no effect on me and was a bad bet on his part, but this kept going on for a few times around the table. He would ramp up his bets in such a way, after I made a point, that he'd make up for his losses and come (I assume) out a little ahead when I finally sevened-out.

Later on, the dice came back around to me again and I went on an absolute tear establishing/making five consecutive (some repeaters) points. I established and made three of these points within the first ten rolls of the hand, including back-to-back fours and sixes at one point. He was betting pretty heavily, at this point, so by the time I had made the fifth point, he could no longer bet enough to make everything back and then some with the low Table Maximum.

He flipped me off and left the table, lit a cigarette, and started pacing angrily back and forth. What a D!(**^$#^!!!

That's right the Dark Side part of the story:

I established another point and Sevened-Out. The next guy up did whatever he was doing, and then our friend came back and assumed the spot at the table he had before and demanded the dice. He probably had $300-$400 in chips left at this point, and by this time, I was exactly $150 ahead.

He took everything he had left and put it on the Pass Line, it was over $300 but less than $400, I don't remember exactly how much. I counted and determined that I was exactly $150 ahead, I made it a point to look at him and say, "I guess we're both leaving after this." I stacked up ten Red chips and made sure he saw my stack of Red chips, and then I put them on the Don't Pass!!!

Two Crap Two, Pay the Don't, Take the Line.

Snake Eyes, Baby, because, screw that guy...

He flipped me off again, so I gave him the old wrist on top of the inner opposite elbow gesture. He (presumably) went to the door and I went to the cage!!!

My darkside story....I was done playing craps and waiting for a buddy who was playing roulette. I got bored and bought back in. It was a $5 table and I was next to the dealer just quietly making $5 DC bets. I passed the dice the first time and the second time they came to me I decided to shoot, with a $5 pass line bet. One lady had a pretty nice roll and the guy at stick right made out pretty good on her roll. This guy was drunk loud and obnoxious anyway and when I decided to shoot he immediately puts out a big don't bet. I drilled him right away with a come out 7. I set the point and he lays big odds and in addition he starts chucking money at the stick on every roll for reds hopping (loudly). I hit the point, set another one and hit it again. I mostly decimated his chip rail in just a few minutes, all because he was apparently upset that I was playing the don't on his table. He quit betting on me after I hit point #2. I set another point and sevened out right away. I don't normally enjoy other peoples misery, but this guy was such a jerk that I still laugh when I think about it.

Totally agree. If you play the don't, you are fundamentally looking for a relatively quick 7-out. Covering more numbers results from that NOT happening. As such, why would you put more money at risk when things are not going your way? I used to cover as many as 3 numbers through the DC, but then was left with what to do once one got picked off. So now I stick to just one.

7-out, line away, pay the don't

I am a strictly darkside player now. Why is it that people cheer darksiders losing on a number that has no bearing to them, such as a 4 when I'm laying it? Good manners should go both ways. I never cheer a seven out, I collect my money and shut up. Nobody should be mad at another player for betting against them.

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I noticed that he didn't make a bet the next time the dice came to me. Instead, he waited until I established a point and then he LAID AGAINST MY POINT. I was unnecessarily annoyed by him doing this, I really shouldn't have cared as it had no effect on me and was a bad bet on his part.

It was "a bad bet" only in the sense that he lost it, right?

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It was "a bad bet" only in the sense that he lost it, right?

Different houses do it differently, but the house edge on lay bets is often atrocious, charging you commission up front (or worse, on both ends!), charging it on the bet amount (not the smaller win amount), etc.

Some places give a reasonable deal on the no 4 / no 10 bet (charging commission on wins only, on the win amount), and some don't.

Paying a 5% commission up front on the bet amount (on or against any number) is a 5% house edge. 5% is a terrible house edge, particularly at craps, which has much better bets on the table. It is exceedingly terrible if you consider the low variance (with -EV bets, I am generally willing to pay more for more variance -- I equate the variance with the entertainment, which is what I'm paying for. Consider that with a -EV bet and 0 variance you lose some fractional amount every single time -- you need variance or you can't ever win!)

Compare to something like placing (not buying) the 6 or 8, which is a 1.51% house edge. Or buying the 4 / 10 with commissions on wins only, which has a house edge of 1.67% or 1.33% depending on your bet amount and the commission structure (many places will only charge $1 commission on a $25 bet, and $2 commission on a $50 bet -- presumably to encourage you to bet green instead of red). Or, of course, a line bet, with its house edge of 1.41% With these bets available, I'd agree that it's "terrible" to choose a -5% EV bet.

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It sure sucks to have a lot of numbers covered on the dark side just to have them picked off one by one. And just as you quit replacing bets and you have nothing left on the table, the 7 comes.

Rarely do I play dark side but when I do nothing pisses me off more than having my numbers picked off.......I'll take a PSO any day, I expect them.

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It was "a bad bet" only in the sense that he lost it, right?

No, what AxiomofChoice said, verbatim.

If he wanted to play against me, he should just have bet the Don't Pass.

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I am a strictly darkside player now. Why is it that people cheer darksiders losing on a number that has no bearing to them, such as a 4 when I'm laying it? Good manners should go both ways. I never cheer a seven out, I collect my money and shut up. Nobody should be mad at another player for betting against them.

Because they don't like us. They unfairly believe that we are betting against them. If anybody gives me s**t, I just look down at my rail and smile.

7-out, line away, pay the don't

I don't understand the bad blood. I like to play the Pass line because I like people rooting for the same thing. But if I'm losing I want someone to be winning, taking money from the house. :)

Anyways. Best darkside story? I deal craps for a private company, most of the players come to the table not knowing how to play. So we teach them as best as we can in 5-10 minutes and hope they take the best information with them. Mostly we teach them the pass line because that is what most people play. Well, one guy came up with a group and he didn't know how to play but he said his father told him to 'bet the don't' and so he was going to do that. Well, as a dealer I got to watch him make more and more money -- while converting people to the dark side -- as the dice played out as expected. When I'm in that position what usually kills me to see is some new person playing with fake money making hundreds if not thousands betting something like the field and having an unusually high amount of 2s and 12s. Instead, this time, I got to see plenty of PSO, or just 7-outs as he laid full odds on the DP and played 1-3 DC bets. With other new players asking him how he was making his money! Very nice to see new players get good knowledge about the game and have conservative bets paying off.

I have no problem with Don't Players, since I am almost always playing the minimum, you must be betting at least as much as I am and are getting paid less than even money on winning Odds, so I'd save time and pass my chips from the PL+ODDS directly to you on a Seven-Out, if they'd let me.

"Well, as a dealer I got to watch him make more and more money"

Which is exactly why I play the dark side. Yes, it has less hooping and yelling for joy, but I have found it to be systematically more profitable than the light side. But to each his own.

I was at the Main Street Station trying to play $5 pass and $100 odds. The table was choppy, so I was at $25 odds. Two darksiders come by and each plays $5 don't pass. The point is an 8. They dutifully put $120 out there. Next roll, hard 8. They are peeved, but talk about how great the 20x table is.

The next point is a 9. They love the nine, and put out $150 each. Bam! Another 9. They moan a bit about losing, but say it is a great table what with the 20x odds. Next point is a four, my favorite number and apparently theirs to as they put out $200 each. I put out $50. Two rolls later, yep, they are out $400, they wonder why their luck is so bad and start complaining rather loudly.

Then another point of nine, they bet, they lose. They really start bitching, loudly.

Another nine as the point. They can't possibly lose now. :)

Whatever I won, I don't recall, but t was golden to watch them walk away wondering what the chances are that they shooter would hit three nines and a four. (Perhaps they forgot the first eight.) I wouldn't have remembered them if they weren't so loud about their confidence in winning with 20x odds on the don't.

The Darkside is a fickle mistress. If you bet it you will often come out ahead, but every now and then you will lose your shirt. So maybe that's a reason to be a quite darksider, so passliners don't revel in your eventual defeat.

The best table would be one in which every shooter consistently made three points and missed the fourth with no 2/3/7/11/12 on the CO, ever, with all PL players flat-betting and the Don't Player doing a four-step Martingale. There, everyone is happy!

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I was at the Main Street Station trying to play $5 pass and $100 odds. The table was choppy, so I was at $25 odds. Two darksiders come by and each plays $5 don't pass. The point is an 8. They dutifully put $120 out there. Next roll, hard 8. They are peeved, but talk about how great the 20x table is.

The next point is a 9. They love the nine, and put out $150 each. Bam! Another 9. They moan a bit about losing, but say it is a great table what with the 20x odds. Next point is a four, my favorite number and apparently theirs to as they put out $200 each. I put out $50. Two rolls later, yep, they are out $400, they wonder why their luck is so bad and start complaining rather loudly.

Then another point of nine, they bet, they lose. They really start bitching, loudly.

Another nine as the point. They can't possibly lose now. :)

Whatever I won, I don't recall, but t was golden to watch them walk away wondering what the chances are that they shooter would hit three nines and a four. (Perhaps they forgot the first eight.) I wouldn't have remembered them if they weren't so loud about their confidence in winning with 20x odds on the don't.

The Darkside is a fickle mistress. If you bet it you will often come out ahead, but every now and then you will lose your shirt. So maybe that's a reason to be a quite darksider, so passliners don't revel in your eventual defeat.

This story is exactly why a careful darksider will stop on a given shooter after the initial loss.

7-out, line away, pay the don't

Quote: darthvader

This story is exactly why a careful darksider will stop on a given shooter after the initial loss.

7-out, line away, pay the don't

I agree.... why chase one shooter??.. There are more than enough people that are "qualified" to throw a quick 7!!!

I myself love playing the darkside. I can play (roll) both sides. I am sure we all can. :)
There was one particular time last year that I was at the craps table in Reno (sparks) @ my home casino Ii was rolling as there was not many at the table with me. One of my friends was betting fairly heavy on the dp I rolled out on a 6 next roll 7, rolled out on a 9 next roll 7 rolled out on 8 next a 7 this went on about 16 times in a row to the tune of 16 grand for my friend. At one point for no apparent reason my friend decided he was going to cease betting & pocket his winnings. I continued the roll I was having one after another about the 3rd 7 out at that point friend decided he would bet more & ride the win further. As soon as he pulled the chips out & begun betting dealers begun calling the point. I continued to try to make it back for him, the more he & I continued the more points the dealers called until friends chips were all gone. Friend turned an array of many colrs in the face & walked off. I worried about him.

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Welcome all purveyors of darkness at the craps table. Please share your favorite success or entertaining voyage on the darkside.

7-out, line away, pay the don't.

My best darkside story:

Over New Year's Weekend at Caesars I made four points on the fire bet and cost the dark side player at the table $3,000.

I seem to shoot better when donts are betting. I love to send them off the table cursing.

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I love to send them off the table cursing.

I'll never understand why some people get such a thrill watching others lose money.

Quote: Beethoven9th

I'll never understand why some people get such a thrill watching others lose money.

Share the wealth. I love when everyone wins! Lets say, 13 numbers rolled then a 7! If you were on the pass you should have made money. If on the don't, you did make money. It isn't a contest against pass players at all. Everyone wins! what a concept.

Quote: Beethoven9th

I'll never understand why some people get such a thrill watching others lose money.

I'd pay money to see some guys lose. Not bragging, just being honest !

I don't think I could play because to me it would feel like betting against the person personally. That's probably where the bad feelings come from. And since the pass is not the best play math wise, that would be the reason not to play. A VP machine doesn't care if it wins or loses.

Quote: mds

Share the wealth. I love when everyone wins! Lets say, 13 numbers rolled then a 7! If you were on the pass you should have made money. If on the don't, you did make money. It isn't a contest against pass players at all. Everyone wins! what a concept.

Most darksiders play the Don't Come as well. It gets pretty boring just watching the DP, just like most right-siders like to place, or play the Come, or sucker bets in the middle, etc. Strange that there aren't many sucker bets for a dark sider...other than Big Red I guess.

If I were on that table playing dark side I would have been murdered as my DC bets got picked off.

Quote: Beethoven9th

I'll never understand why some people get such a thrill watching others lose money.

Comes with the territory. Rightsiders love to see darksiders lose, and they whoop and holler, but darksiders aren't allowed to cheer on a seven out because it's "bad manners"? Sorry but you can't have it one way and not the other. I tried to be a good sport and not make any noise when a seven comes but when the other side is rolling numbers and making points, while cheering I feel I'll do whatever I want.

Quote: Beethoven9th

I'll never understand why some people get such a thrill watching others lose money.

As a don't player, I do not revel in anyone's loss but the casino's. I love hot shooters and will switch to the lightside when appropriate. However, I use the darkside to extend my bankroll while I wait for such a shooter to emerge.

Looks like WovCon East [or whatever we are calling it] will have at least 5 Craps players.

I think it'd really be cool to have a Darkside dominated table, with everybody passing the dice to the guy who seems to be able to roll the PSO's

There's a young kid that always bets the darkside at my local casino. He'll load up on odds particularly on the 4 and 10. One day he brought another kid with him that he was teaching to play craps. I overheard him say "You always win when you bet like this." I told the kid "If you always won they wouldn't let you bet it. Believe me you can lose betting this way." The got wiped out in about 10 minutes when a couple of 4 and 10's were thrown along with some 7s or 11s on the coming out rolls. The kid that was just learning looked like he was in shock that he had lost $100 so fast.

I play both sides....

On any given session I'll be about 20% dark, 80% pass. My friends are strongly opposed to Don'ts and as a result 20% of the time we are betting opposite. Leads to some extra table banter. Anyway, my best darkside story was at the Excalibur last summer. Playing mostly Passline, we got killed one evening around 10pm. We take a late supper break and end up back there around 2am. I want to play again, but my friend stayed out. Walk up to a table with two players at the opposite end. They were both playing passline and I saw a few seven outs. I figured darkside for me. Started winning pretty consisently. It didn't take long, and the other two guys started playing dark as well! Then we all started making money. We also agreed to pass the dice a little differently. See a seven out is a winner for us, but you lose the dice. Instead we all just passed around to that same shooter! Just three of us and a lot of fun!

A table of only darksiders is a blast.