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May 15th, 2014 at 5:09:11 PM permalink
If they actually understood what makes craps so fascinating, they would have made the edge lower, not higher.

A minimum bet of $25 and an edge per roll of 0.25% would have been cool.

Having the edge as high as even single zero roulette just makes it a carnival game.

They could have left all the hop bets in there but this just won't be exciting as long as the biggest bets are going to be $10 from people who don't play craps.
AxelWolf
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May 15th, 2014 at 5:09:28 PM permalink
So this takes place out side?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
YouCanBetOnThat
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May 15th, 2014 at 5:20:58 PM permalink
Did some math.

Quote: YouCanBetOnThat

Do you make the Brick Bet before the "come out", or after a point has been established?


If you can wait until a point is established before making the Brick Bet, clear out your bank account and head to the Downtown Grand.

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If you do have to make the Brick Bet before the come out, does it lose if the come out is 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, or 12?


If you have to make the Brick Bet before the come out and it loses on any of those numbers, the house edge is around 28.5%. (If it's a push on a 7, the edge goes down to 11.8%.)
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May 16th, 2014 at 2:04:03 PM permalink
Another article on the game: A First Look at the Long-Awaited Street Dice at Downtown Grand Las Vegas .
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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May 16th, 2014 at 6:35:32 PM permalink
https://twitter.com/Pitboss59/status/467477573812105216

Wizard threw out the first pitch at the game. I have yet to make it down there. Long day of work.
Ahigh
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May 16th, 2014 at 6:37:20 PM permalink
Well, that makes it pretty cool.
DJTeddyBear
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May 16th, 2014 at 9:00:29 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

https://twitter.com/Pitboss59/status/467477573812105216

Wizard threw out the first pitch at the game.


Wow. That IS cool.

Did they recognize you of did you introduce yourself?
What was thier reaction to you telling them about the interest shown here?

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AcesAndEights
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May 17th, 2014 at 2:14:58 AM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

https://twitter.com/Pitboss59/status/467477573812105216

Wizard threw out the first pitch at the game. I have yet to make it down there. Long day of work.


Wow, that is great! Now he just has to say, "I played this game once and now I'll never play it again, due to the horrendous house edge."
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May 17th, 2014 at 2:36:25 AM permalink
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Wow, that is great! Now he just has to say, "I played this game once and now I'll never play it again, due to the horrendous house edge."


Very true. This is aside from the fact that this game is more of a 'flash gimmick' than a "deep humdinger winner.' In my opinion.

Quote: Vital Vegas

The much-talked-about game will finally debut to the public on Friday, May 16 at 6:00 p.m., and we致e got a first look at the game Downtown Grand touted as 砥nprecedented, 田razy fun and 砥nlike anything Vegas has ever seen, which is technically the same thing as 砥nprecedented, but let痴 not get bogged down in details. Behold, Street Dice! - See more at: http://vitalvegas.com/first-look-long-awaited-street-dice-downtown-grand-las-vegas/#sthash.zDkG2PZD.dpuf



Behold, Street Dice! Unpredecented! Crazy Fun! Unlike anything Vegas has EVER seen before since Frank F--cking Sinatra! Really?
It's like super totally awesome, DUDE!!! But wait - there's more! This just in! See more at such-and-such hashtag xyz to blow this Bullcrap even more.....Hot off the presses!!!

The simple fact of the matter is that a new game either succeeds or fails on its own terms, and with the real gambling population.

In working in this industry, there is NOTHING more "spin resistant" than a new game trial, no matter how hard and desperate the press hyperbole tries, because you've got real schmucks losing their real cash yelling and at pit bosses and gaming executives about it. Nothing can help it or hurt it more than the players' opinion playing it and pit personnel with cell phones. In fact, nothing accelerates a new game's real verdict - the genuine verdict - than an overblown press release praising gambling garbage. It's like pumping Penny stocks. A flash upwards that'll just kill it downwards that much harder. A louder crash. Nothing bursts a Bogus Balloon harder than overblowing it, and the Las Vegas Press is criminal in this regard.

If the game is good, it'll help. If the game is bad and a just flash in the pan, then the excess hyperbole will kill it off all that much sooner.

No press hawking - or whoring or damning or praising - can sway it any which way, especially the LV press, which no one in this town takes seriously. As in....We Read The Los Angeles Times for Real News, not that that is saying much. Gaming Salesmen can push it out big time if it is good, and on a wide scale, but this is all quiet cell phone and email behind the scenes.


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May 17th, 2014 at 7:36:07 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Story! We want a story!



It isn't a very interesting story. I read in that article I quoted before that they were going to open at 6:00 PM yesterday. So I went down, arrived early, and waited for them to open. At about 6:15 they were comfortable they understood the rules and let me play. Although there were a lot of suits standing around, I was the only player, so I had the honor of making the first bet. In fact, about the first dozen bets.

There seemed to be a lot of confusion about the rules as the felt rules were confusing. The rack card did a better job of explaining the game, but that left out some situations too.

I was betting the minimum $5 on the main wager, which I'll call the Street bet, and $1 on the brick. When I was there I asked what the title of this bet was and nobody seemed to know. I was hot with the dice, I must say. Hit lots of point and my brick bet won on about my 7th try. Once that hit, I felt I understood the game well enough and ended on a high note, $80 up.

I would encourage dice influence believers to get out there immediately. The surface where you throw the dice is like wet clay. Sometimes the dice just stick in without rolling at all. One suit said I was supposed to hit the back wall, but the dealers were not enforcing that rule. I'd suggest Ahigh get right down there before they do start enforcing it. As skeptical as I am that craps can be beaten with dice influence, I definitely think it would be possible in this game, especially if hitting the back wall isn't required.

Regarding the Street bet, I agree with previously posted math on that by other members.

Here is my return table on the Brick bet.

Event Pays Probability Return
Point roll 7 or 11 0 0.222222 0.000000
Point roll 2, 3, 5, 9, 12 -1 0.333333 -0.333333
Hard way win 25 0.027502 0.687538
Point made easy way -1 0.088594 -0.088594
Seven out -1 0.165009 -0.165009
Three strikes -1 0.163340 -0.163340
Total 1.000000 -0.062738


My personal opinion of the game is the rules are too complicated. I like the "street dice" idea, but I would have either done a simplified version of craps, like they have at the Stratosphere, or C-Lo.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.

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