Accross betting right after the point is established.
TheWolf713
Quote: TheWolf713Although I don't like to use history as a Gage of future outcomes (about craps), in a case study, about 10-14 percent (i might be off on the math) of all sevens came right after the point. If you cut that 10 percent out, and merely waited to make a bet after that next shot, imagine the amount if cash you would save. Just my humble opinion. TheWolf713
I have to agree w/ that 10% figure. I bet PL & one Come bet w/ odds. When a point established, I don't take odds on the PL right away. I make my Come bet. When that point established, then I take odds. I can't believe how many times that has saved my butt.
I've seen a young guy with his girl walk down the center aisle at Caesars and toss a thousand dollar chip over the heads of other players and yell out "high low" and the stick calls out "that's a bet" and boxcars hits for $13,500.
And I've seen a player bet $25 on midnight on 30 consecutive rolls and not hit it once.
Quote: Sonny44I have to agree w/ that 10% figure. I bet PL & one Come bet w/ odds. When a point established, I don't take odds on the PL right away. I make my Come bet. When that point established, then I take odds. I can't believe how many times that has saved my butt.Quote: TheWolf713Although I don't like to use history as a Gage of future outcomes (about craps), in a case study, about 10-14 percent (i might be off on the math) of all sevens came right after the point. If you cut that 10 percent out, and merely waited to make a bet after that next shot, imagine the amount if cash you would save. Just my humble opinion.
You guys need to read a math book. lol
Quote: Beethoven9thYou guys need to read a math book. lol
Every math book should come with a disclaimer that says: this is a math book, it does not tell you what will happen when two dice are thrown.
Quote: AlanMendelsonEvery math book should come with a disclaimer that says: this is a math book, it does not tell you what will happen when two dice are thrown.
The two guys above believe that 7's are more likely to show up right after a point is established. God forbid if they ever pass under a ladder on the way to the craps table. lol
Quote: Beethoven9thThe two guys above believe that 7's are more likely to show up right after a point is established. God forbid if they ever pass under a ladder on the way to the craps table. lol
I don't know nuttin' 'bout no ladders, but I do know that a Seven is indeed more likely to show up immediately after a point is established than any other number because a Seven is more likely than any other number to show up on each and every single roll of the dice.
Quote: FleaStiffI don't know nuttin' 'bout no ladders, but I do know that a Seven is indeed more likely to show up immediately after a point is established than any other number because a Seven is more likely than any other number to show up on each and every single roll of the dice.
Touché! ;)
Quote: Beethoven9thThe two guys above believe that 7's are more likely to show up right after a point is established. God forbid if they ever pass under a ladder on the way to the craps table. lol
I'm not saying "more likely" to show. All I'm saying is that many times, my butt has been saved by betting as I said. Whether or not a 10% showing means "more likely," I don't know. I'm not a mathematician. Maybe this is a superstition of mine, but one that has worked for me.
Quote: Beethoven9thYou guys need to read a math book. lol
If math was the only thing needed at a craps table.... Oh what a world it would be. Lol
Here is the only math book I use in a casino: 2 dice
my variables: 1)Booze,
2)random tourists holding the table to Ensure they receive their 9 dollars for their 1 dollar hard six While you have a 300 dollar 6 and 8
3)and a dollar for everytime I heard a math guy say "the math says you should....(insert random math fact here)."
I have great respect for the math guys.. But I'm a science guy. And knowing that avagadro's number is a catch all stops me from just accepting any mathematical jargon as fact.
Quote: mds10%? Doesn't that mean 90% of the time the 7 wont come up?
Sorry I forgot to clarify how the percentage was done...
It was done with the rolls of when players seven'd out.
For example over several years this was the percentage of when a player would 7 out on a roll. All rolls were recorded in multiple casinos for serval years. (these are not the actuall numbers, just an example)
After come out
1st roll: 10 percent seven out
2nd roll: 14 percent seven out
3rd roll: 22% " "
4th roll: 41%
5th roll: 45%
6th roll: 51% "7 out"
skip still progressing
12th roll: 90% chance of 7 out
Just stating that by a certain roll you should be considering taking down the money.
This by no means is meant to replace the actual math of the game, it was just something I read and found interesting.
I hope this helped or made some kind of sense lol
Quote: TheWolf713If math was the only thing needed at a craps table.... Oh what a world it would be. Lol
Here is the only math book I use in a casino: 2 dice
my variables: 1)Booze,
2)random tourists holding the table to Ensure they receive their 9 dollars for their 1 dollar hard six While you have a 300 dollar 6 and 8
3)and a dollar for everytime I heard a math guy say "the math says you should....(insert random math fact here)."
I have great respect for the math guys.. But I'm a science guy. And knowing that avagadro's number is a catch all stops me from just accepting any mathematical jargon as fact.
Sorry I missed it, Oct. 23, did you join in celebration of mole day?
Quote: DeMangoAt any point in time the odds of a seven rolling in the next 4 rolls is over 50% So good luck going across, you will need a ton of it!
Craps is truly a tough game for the right way players: you make many bets but can only win one of those many bets at a time; and you can lose all of your many bets with one roll. In summary: you make many, you win one with each roll, and with one roll you can lose them all.
Fortunately the game is played "one roll at a time" which means the chance of a 7 rolling on each and every roll is always the same and the chance of a 7 rolling on the next roll doesn't change no matter how many rolls came before it.
No one said it wasn't tough.
Quote: AlanMendelsonCraps is truly a tough game for the right way players: you make many bets but can only win one of those many bets at a time; and you can lose all of your many bets with one roll. In summary: you make many, you win one with each roll, and with one roll you can lose them all.
It's tough for the Don't guys too, unfortunately. Just the other night, I saw a guy religiously playing $5 DP bets with max odds followed by two $5 DC bets with max odds on each. Whenever a DC got shot down, he would immediately make another $5 DC bet with max odds again.
Anyway, the guy was slowly building up his stack over the course of an hour or so, but then a woman who was playing craps for the very first time got the dice. She had a monster roll and single-handedly destroyed him.
Craps can be such a brutal game.
Yes for sure. I saw the same thing this weekend. The guy was laying the last number that was thrown. The lady rolling hit 4 points but hit a ton of box numbers between points. He was done halfway through her roll but then the table went ICE cold. He would have made a killing. Not that it's anything new, but that's why I won't let any one shooter destroy me. 1 or 2 losses per shooter if I'm on the don't.Quote: Beethoven9thIt's tough for the Don't guys too, unfortunately. Just the other night, I saw a guy religiously playing $5 DP bets with max odds followed by two $5 DC bets with max odds on each. Whenever a DC got shot down, he would immediately make another $5 DC bet with max odds again.
Anyway, the guy was slowly building up his stack over the course of an hour or so, but then a woman who was playing craps for the very first time got the dice. She had a monster roll and single-handedly destroyed him.
Craps can be such a brutal game.
Quote: AlanMendelson
And I've seen a player bet $25 on midnight on 30 consecutive rolls and not hit it once.
That's not terribly unusual.
(1 -1/36)^30 = 0.42950310467642555, or a failure rate of 42.95%
