Bottom line is...
Quote: mdsJust a thought. I知 reading about hedging, different systems, dice setting and many techniques. Tell me if I知 wrong? All I知 looking for is a roll? A 30-minute roll? I知 also looking for the best bet so the odds aren't stacked against me. True? I play the dark side with full odds! That's it! Although If there is a player on a little roll, I will change my position and start betting with him (depending on other factors like, no other table to move to and so on) on the pass line and taking the numbers across trying to find that 30-minute roll. Usually doesn't happen. I am 98% on the dark side and have won for 2 1/2 years. I don't care about giving high fives. Only low 5s with my friends when a 7 comes up. I just want to win. No emotion. It is about having the HE at a place where I have a fighting chance. I play about 12 hours over 3-day period maybe 8 times a year. Maybe it is luck (doubt it) maybe it is the fact that I don't play 24/7? I don't know. All im saying is if the table is cold it is cold if it is hot it is hot but inevitably the 7 will come up more often than not! Either way you need a long-ish roll. You also need to know when to sit out a few rolls and know when to leave. The tables will always be there. GOT GET UM!
The smartest gambler at the craps table is:
(A) patient
(B) making only one pass or don't pass line bet at a time
(C) maxxing out full odds no matter what
(D) not crying or blaming anyone else if they have bad luck
All the crap that I and other people do, in general, is a complete waste of time if you simply want to play the game in the most intelligent way to have a decent chance to win money without giving too much money to the casino. It's a PIECE OF CAKE!!!
Step 1: line bet (either side)
Step 2: max odds
Step 3: Wait and don't let nobody talk you into ANYTHING
SIMPLE!
I think it's a fun game to try to figure out the advantage play and know more about the game than the next guy. But for anyone just wanting the best chance to win, you're much better off ignoring people who waste their time on that garbage and just use plain old fashioned good luck. No come, no DC, no place, no hardways, no prop bets, NOTHING. Just line or don't on the comeout and as much odds as you can afford THE END.
If you have to pick a side to have the best chance to win, it's the dark side. Anything else is pretty much stupid to worry about if you just want to win without making it complicated.
Take it from someone who wastes more time on this game than anyone: if you don't find it fun looking into the details, be smart and don't start. The Wizard says all you need to know. And if you don't trust the casino, just bet the don't end of story!
Quote: Ibeatyouraces(E) The guy not playing at all.
Add to the top of the list: (F) The guy who owns the casino.
All craps players are sheep, waiting to be sheered.
Hey, nothing wrong with wool.
Quote: AhighAnd if you don't trust the casino, just bet the don't end of story!
That only works if the table has other players betting the do/passline.
Quote: Ibeatyouraces(E) The guy not playing at all.
That doesn't sound like a gambler at the craps table at all. But thanks for your snarky comment.
What is aces slang for anyway? I heard an ace was a snake eye or something in craps. Oh wait, you're a card player, nevermind.
Quote: NokTangThat only works if the table has other players betting the do/passline.
Not sure I follow at all, but here's some funny videos.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104241/down-2600
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104243/10000-31-black
Quote: AhighNot sure I follow at all,
If the casino has more money on the passline than the don't passline, naturally they want the do. Not so complicated.
There are no bad bets on the table if you are rolling them or if the shooter is rolling them!
There is many times when the guy that is making bets that everybody says are bad, is the one that walks away a winner!
The odds on a bet does not mean anything, if the shooter is rolling those points. You can stand there all day long and lose your butt, if the shooters are not rolling what everybody says is a good bet, like the 6's and 8's! The dice don't know that they are not suppose to roll certain numbers, only so many times in 36 rolls of the dice. The math of the game only tells you that over 10,000 rolls of the dice that they will come out somewhere close to what the math of the game says!
If the math held true all the time the only winners you would have on a craps table would be the casino!
Everybody does need to know the math of the game, so the can evaluate what points they want to play, but they also need the brains to know when to bet on points that everybody is throwing, even if the math says it's a bad bet.
There are to many times when you are seeing things that the math says shouldn't be happening. All tables run in cycles sometimes they are what everybody calls hot and then there are the times that the dealers will tell you not to even buy in on the table, because has been ice called for 8 hours.
Everybody has a super computer sitting on top of their shoulders, the problem is most players never develop the skills they need to process what the table and the dice are telling them. There are times when everybody on the table is rolling 4's and 10's, some shooters are making 5 or 6 of the same point before they 7 out, and I see players that will tell you that is the worst box number there is to bet, they would never bet on a 4 or 10. The same thing goes for the 5 and 9, but I have one question for the guys like ahigh, how come you are always writing about you losing if you are so smart about how you bet the game. Did that paper hanging on your wall fail you? Can you only see what the math is telling you?
You better think about why a table is dumping, when its hot, and I would bet you that its not because everybody is throwing those 6's and 8's! Besides that paper hanging on the wall, craps players need good everyday common sense! They have to open their eyes to what is happening. They need to know if its a hot, choppy, or a cold table.
If your the type of player that doesn't mind grinding out wins on a cold table, by all means, stay there and win some money. But if you can't stand to do that, leave as fast as you can, don't stand there thinking that on the very next shooter the table is going to change and all of a sudden become hot, and your going to win back what you have lost!
I never want to be on a table that is full, I only try to play on near empty tables, if I'm going to win its going to be with my shooting. But with that said, I damn sure wouldn't walk up to a table that was full and nobody had chips in their chip racks. It doesn't take to may brains to figure that one out, but I see players all the time that will do exactly that, when one table over,there are 3 guys on the table, and every one of their chip racks are full with chips! Which table would you play on?
Some players are nothing more then self deconstructing players, that never can figure out why they are losing, they don't care where they play, all they want to do is play craps. Every table can tell you something before you place your first bet, if you take the time to watch what is happening!
Read every book you can get your hands on, don't take one authors advice on how to play, learn as much as you can from the books, then make up your own mind as to what makes a good bet and what makes a bad one, but always remember that a bad bet is one that nobody is rolling! If you are throwing out a bet on the aces, because the math of the game says that you should have 1 in 36 rolls of the dice, and you haven't seen one in 34 rolls of the dice, you need to rethink how you are playing the game!
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Quote: superrickThe smartest player at the table is the guy that is betting on what is being rolled.
There are no bad bets on the table if you are rolling them or if the shooter is rolling them!
There is many times when the guy that is making bets that everybody says are bad, is the one that walks away a winner!
The odds on a bet does not mean anything, if the shooter is rolling those points. You can stand there all day long and lose your butt, if the shooters are not rolling what everybody says is a good bet, like the 6's and 8's! The dice don't know that they are not suppose to roll certain numbers, only so many times in 36 rolls of the dice. The math of the game only tells you that over 10,000 rolls of the dice that they will come out somewhere close to what the math of the game says!
If the math held true all the time the only winners you would have on a craps table would be the casino!
Everybody does need to know the math of the game, so the can evaluate what points they want to play, but they also need the brains to know when to bet on points that everybody is throwing, even if the math says it's a bad bet.
There are to many times when you are seeing things that the math says shouldn't be happening. All tables run in cycles sometimes they are what everybody calls hot and then there are the times that the dealers will tell you not to even buy in on the table, because has been ice called for 8 hours.
Everybody has a super computer sitting on top of their shoulders, the problem is most players never develop the skills they need to process what the table and the dice are telling them. There are times when everybody on the table is rolling 4's and 10's, some shooters are making 5 or 6 of the same point before they 7 out, and I see players that will tell you that is the worst box number there is to bet, they would never bet on a 4 or 10. The same thing goes for the 5 and 9, but I have one question for the guys like ahigh, how come you are always writing about you losing if you are so smart about how you bet the game. Did that paper hanging on your wall fail you? Can you only see what the math is telling you?
You better think about why a table is dumping, when its hot, and I would bet you that its not because everybody is throwing those 6's and 8's! Besides that paper hanging on the wall, craps players need good everyday common sense! They have to open their eyes to what is happening. They need to know if its a hot, choppy, or a cold table.
If your the type of player that doesn't mind grinding out wins on a cold table, by all means, stay there and win some money. But if you can't stand to do that, leave as fast as you can, don't stand there thinking that on the very next shooter the table is going to change and all of a sudden become hot, and your going to win back what you have lost!
I never want to be on a table that is full, I only try to play on near empty tables, if I'm going to win its going to be with my shooting. But with that said, I damn sure wouldn't walk up to a table that was full and nobody had chips in their chip racks. It doesn't take to may brains to figure that one out, but I see players all the time that will do exactly that, when one table over,there are 3 guys on the table, and every one of their chip racks are full with chips! Which table would you play on?
Some players are nothing more then self deconstructing players, that never can figure out why they are losing, they don't care where they play, all they want to do is play craps. Every table can tell you something before you place your first bet, if you take the time to watch what is happening!
Read every book you can get your hands on, don't take one authors advice on how to play, learn as much as you can from the books, then make up your own mind as to what makes a good bet and what makes a bad one, but always remember that a bad bet is one that nobody is rolling! If you are throwing out a bet on the aces, because the math of the game says that you should have 1 in 36 rolls of the dice, and you haven't seen one in 34 rolls of the dice, you need to rethink how you are playing the game!
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Wow, thats a great read.
I do play craps, but soleley for entertainment. I am no DC but I have made all 6 points in a single (which lasted for almost 30mins) and I didnt have the fire bet :(
I realise Math plays a huge role in everything at the Casino. But havent we all seen that there are so many peple who do great in a Casino even though they are no where close to a Mathematician.
I personally feel you just have to be at the right place at the right time to win in a casino
