86'd from crap table
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:07:37 AM
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I just got 86'd from all Station Casino's! I'm not allowed to play any craps at any of there properties. I can play any other game or machine just not craps. I do play high between min and table max. I never shoot the dice except once in awhile less than 1% of my playing time. I mostly a darkside better-mostly dc and will place bet after a 2-3 count. Will usually do 2-3 dc bets with 1/2 or single lay. The Director of casino operation at Santa Fe Station said that I was not allowed to play craps at any Station Casino; but could still play the other games/machine. Would not give a reason other than management will not allow me to place a bet on any craps table. Just blacklisted from craps! Been playing at least 5-7 days a week at the Santa Fe for the past year and recently on a win streak for the past 4 months.
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:14:06 AM
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sounds like they killed your ahigh
that's weird they would not take your action seeing as you "bank" the right side betters.
that's weird they would not take your action seeing as you "bank" the right side betters.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 12:24:25 AM
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A curious tale.
"What, me worry?"
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:37:59 AM
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Yes.Quote: MrVA curious tale.
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:46:24 AM
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But were you complaining about a flickering light?
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August 23rd, 2013 at 12:51:16 AM
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Interesting he chooses to come here with this sad story,
a non craps site. Very interesting.
a non craps site. Very interesting.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:26:19 AM
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Quote: EvenBobInteresting he chooses to come here with this sad story, a non craps site.
Exactly when and where was WOV declared a "non-craps" site?
Was it at the recent WoVCon, in which the attendees played craps together in two separate sessions?
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:44:37 AM
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Looks like Wizard of Vegas, not craps. Its just interesting,
very interesting.
very interesting.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:53:43 AM
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Quote: EvenBobLooks like Wizard of Vegas, not craps. Its just interesting,
very interesting.
Does that mean its also not a blackjack site, or a chip of the day site, or a video poker site?
A guy came on a message board in which 80% of the posts are about gambling...and he posted about craps.
Not interesting at all.
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:56:51 AM
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But posting about motor oil ::yawn:: makes total sense
August 23rd, 2013 at 3:52:10 AM
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Quote: michael99000But posting about motor oil ::yawn:: makes total sense
Actually folks, it all sounds a bit suspicious to me. I think this is his first post and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt but I expect his next post will tout his booklet about craps for 8.95.
August 23rd, 2013 at 4:30:53 AM
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Banning dark side players would support the conspiracy theorists who claim the casinos are using unbalanced dice, wouldn't it?
August 23rd, 2013 at 4:45:39 AM
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What is the table max there?Quote: nats1956I just got 86'd from all Station Casino's! I'm not allowed to play any craps at any of there properties. I can play any other game or machine just not craps. I do play high between min and table max. I never shoot the dice except once in awhile less than 1% of my playing time. I mostly a darkside better-mostly dc and will place bet after a 2-3 count. Will usually do 2-3 dc bets with 1/2 or single lay. The Director of casino operation at Santa Fe Station said that I was not allowed to play craps at any Station Casino; but could still play the other games/machine. Would not give a reason other than management will not allow me to place a bet on any craps table. Just blacklisted from craps! Been playing at least 5-7 days a week at the Santa Fe for the past year and recently on a win streak for the past 4 months.
Unless you are willing to Divulge personal information such as your real name, the name of the person who told you not to play anymore. No one will believe you. because a few obsessed craps players make up multiple new screen names in order to keep craps talk alive and well. Some go as far as to ask questions under one name just to answer it under their real screen name. They will use the fake names to help back up their arguments.
Your story is strange, yet I cant think why anyone would make up something like this, it's not as if your claiming to be a DI with a great shot . You said you don't even shoot the dice often. If I was 86'd for just for winning at craps you bet I would have explained way more details. The time and date, how it all went down. How much was your winning streak?
This would be very interesting if is true.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2013 at 4:47:46 AM
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LOL.... good pointQuote: michael99000But posting about motor oil ::yawn:: makes total sense
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2013 at 4:55:58 AM
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Sounds as if there is more to this.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
August 23rd, 2013 at 5:37:35 AM
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I smell fish.
. . . and it's NOT because I had a bagel with lox this morning.
It smells fishy not just for lack of details, but for the lack of credibility. If I'm winning, and doing it primarily without touching the dice, they're gonna have a fight before they eject me!
. . . and it's NOT because I had a bagel with lox this morning.
It smells fishy not just for lack of details, but for the lack of credibility. If I'm winning, and doing it primarily without touching the dice, they're gonna have a fight before they eject me!
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August 23rd, 2013 at 5:57:47 AM
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That's the reason i posted on this site! Everything I stated is true. I never touched the dice and only placed don't come/pass bets. And would also place bet for 2-4 rolls and take my money down. I'm not using any type of system to manage my bets. My bets varied from $5 to $1000. I would sometimes hedge my don't bets.
August 23rd, 2013 at 5:59:39 AM
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"Lucy, you have some 'splainin to doooo."
Please provide more details as to what led up to the 86.
Were you warned for anything before they took that action?
You said you play almost every day, and you are on a 4 month win streak. Does that mean you have been winning EVERY day?
Please share your betting scheme with us.
You said you are betting dark side, up to table max, so the only way I think you could do that is to have some sort of martingale with just base DP bets. Laying odds brings in too much volatility, so it would be unlikely you could win consistently with that increased variance.
If you were disciplined and stopped in every day, won $50 and left, how long would a casino let you do that?
Of course, since the casino has the edge on the game, a smart casino would never make you stop playing.
Please provide more details as to what led up to the 86.
Were you warned for anything before they took that action?
You said you play almost every day, and you are on a 4 month win streak. Does that mean you have been winning EVERY day?
Please share your betting scheme with us.
You said you are betting dark side, up to table max, so the only way I think you could do that is to have some sort of martingale with just base DP bets. Laying odds brings in too much volatility, so it would be unlikely you could win consistently with that increased variance.
If you were disciplined and stopped in every day, won $50 and left, how long would a casino let you do that?
Of course, since the casino has the edge on the game, a smart casino would never make you stop playing.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 6:35:28 AM
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I was just standing at the crap table watching my friend play when the director of casino operation told me that they would not take my action at any crap table at all station casino. yes been winning every day that I played. My bets were between $5-$1000. Would only lay 1/2 - single odds. I'm a pretty aggressive don't bettor(2-3 bets). My goal was to win $1k a day. Sometimes I would only play for a half hour or 10 hours to reach my goal. Just the day before I was banned I was in $20k and down $12k. Played for 5 hours before i got even and $12 winner(which i gave to the dealers). I do not use any system to make my bets. Just using what I learned over the last 20 years playing. Will not place a bet the I can't control. Will generally only let my place bet run for only 2-5 rolls of the dice. Will only place a DC bet after the 2nd or 3rd roll. I rarely place a DP.
August 23rd, 2013 at 6:37:41 AM
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A couple of months ago I played at Red Rock for the first time, all DP, full 10x odds, $10 table, betting the table min. I didnt play any DC bets. I played for a few hours ended up about $500 as the table went hot and cold and I was up more at some points and down almost $1500 of the 2K I bought in for at one point.
Now I get free room offers, a hosts name, free Toto and Darius Rucker ticket offers and more. So it isnt like they were afraid of my Darkside play by any means.
So while I have no reason to doubt you, I have to believe there is more to the story.
Now I get free room offers, a hosts name, free Toto and Darius Rucker ticket offers and more. So it isnt like they were afraid of my Darkside play by any means.
So while I have no reason to doubt you, I have to believe there is more to the story.
August 23rd, 2013 at 6:39:10 AM
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So while I have no reason to doubt you, I have to believe there is more to the story.
I believe him for no other reason than my belief in the stupidity of some casino management ! ! !
I believe him for no other reason than my belief in the stupidity of some casino management ! ! !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
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August 23rd, 2013 at 6:54:29 AM
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Certainly with that kind of action you must have a host I would slip him or her some cash and ask them to get to the bottom of this.
If you can substantiate all of this people are very interested. Are you and your Friend usually playing at the same time? Did they tell him he can't play as well?
If you can substantiate all of this people are very interested. Are you and your Friend usually playing at the same time? Did they tell him he can't play as well?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2013 at 6:58:49 AM
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yes we usually play at the same time. But he bets small-one pass bet with 4 place bets. always leaves his money until it 7's out. will collect 3 bets before pressing one unit. No he can still play.
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:03:09 AM
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Maybe you're being targeted as being 1/2 of a team since you play at the same time. Maybe you're being targeted for comps. Maybe the other shooter has a controlled shoot trying to seven-out in order to make you money. Maybe Stations is very paranoid about someone taking $1K a session from them.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 7:04:47 AM
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Nat this is no criticism in any way I would be the last one to talk. I'm not sure how to even put this, but where are you from? From your writing here and via the pm you sent me I get the feeling your not originally from the US.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:20:46 AM
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Quote: nats1956Would only lay 1/2 - single odds.
wow.
Everybody here knows that instead of banning you that they should be really trying to make sure you come back. I suppose you know that too?
What is your theory?
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August 23rd, 2013 at 7:25:32 AM
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Nope born and raised in the good old USA!
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:34:01 AM
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Quote: nats1956My bets varied from $5 to $1000.
Ah, that could be the Smoking Gun.
The pit probably thought you were counting.
"What, me worry?"
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:48:41 AM
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He bet the don't and harassed other players at the table, many of which refused to ever play with him again, thus costing the casino money.
The casino made the right decision here.
If he wishes to play craps, he can take his act downtown.
The casino made the right decision here.
If he wishes to play craps, he can take his act downtown.
August 23rd, 2013 at 7:50:13 AM
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There is a video of this betting system on UTUBE
Let down the curtain; The farce is over.
August 23rd, 2013 at 8:00:51 AM
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If you've been winning every day for four months, of
course they kicked you out. If you were down 20k and
won it back, this is a red flag on top of winning for four
months. If you can win back 20k, next time you could
win 20k and walk out the door. If I was Stations, I would
err on the side of caution and get rid of you to. Casinos
hate consistent winners.
I still think there's more to this story. Which Station casinos
did you frequent. Did you use a players card. Was the guy
who banned you named Ira.
course they kicked you out. If you were down 20k and
won it back, this is a red flag on top of winning for four
months. If you can win back 20k, next time you could
win 20k and walk out the door. If I was Stations, I would
err on the side of caution and get rid of you to. Casinos
hate consistent winners.
I still think there's more to this story. Which Station casinos
did you frequent. Did you use a players card. Was the guy
who banned you named Ira.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 23rd, 2013 at 8:54:09 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what position did you usually play at when you were at the table? Right next to the dealer near the DC area?
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August 23rd, 2013 at 8:58:31 AM
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What, making an ass of one's self at the craps table?Quote: robbiehoodThere is a video of this betting system on UTUBE
The OP loudmouth should have been kicked out months ago, the writing was on the wall with this fool, anyone that visited the Sante Fe regularly knew this chump, good riddance.
August 23rd, 2013 at 9:01:25 AM
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I’ve seen don’t players banned for playing craps before here in Vegas at a few different casinos. South Point comes to mind the most often. When you live here you see all kinds of stupid things the casinos do.
We had a local player that would hit 5 to 7 casinos a day playing the dark side of the tables everyday, he used to have a following that would follow him around, doing that same thing he was doing, but playing at a lower level of play. By the way he did the same type of betting, doing a spread, when he was down!That all changed a few years ago, I don’t know what happened with his followers. He was only looking to make $200 from each casino he hit. Most of the time he was in the casinos only for a very short time, he made his money and moved on, I've seen him walk in and turn around and walk out after only a few rolls of the dice!
The casinos never said a thing to him, because I’ve seen him drop $10,000 when he went on tilt a few times. He did get banned from a few of the casinos that weren’t to smart. So the casinos he could play at changed over time!
I’ve also seen a slot player get banned just because she was just too damn lucky of a player, for the casino. It had to be the stupidest thing I ever saw in a casino!
So it does happen, you could have a player that never picked up the dice and still get banned from a casino. Then like everybody else, you could get banned for bad behavior and not your winning ways. Contrary to popular belief, casinos do not like winners, if you make the mistake of playing at the same casinos all the time and you are winning, you may get that tap on your shoulder, telling you that they don’t want your play!
Not to long ago one of the local casinos banned a couple don’t players, the one guy had been playing there for years there was nothing wrong with his play or his personality. I never did get the full story from him. What I got was just hearsay; he was on a winning streak when that happened,..that is the kind of thing that can happen to you, if you hit the same casino every day!
There are around 300 tables in Vegas, but you have the same guys going back to the same casino everyday, damn foolish if you ask me!
There is always the one pit manager that is sweating the money, that doesn't have brain one, they run off good players that they could be winning money from, what happened to the good old days when casinos know that if you won today you would lose the next day, and welcomed you back? Most of the time those type of pit managers don't last to long at a casino. They come in trying to prove that their pit will make money at the cost of losing players. When the casino action goes down their tables show a loss and out the door they go to screw up a different casino!
There are a few local casinos that their play is way down, because of the way they treat their local players, we don't have to play craps!
We want to be treated the same way all the time, if we are winning we shouldn't be getting hassled by the caisnos. That is what a lot of these casinos are now doing to their local players!
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We had a local player that would hit 5 to 7 casinos a day playing the dark side of the tables everyday, he used to have a following that would follow him around, doing that same thing he was doing, but playing at a lower level of play. By the way he did the same type of betting, doing a spread, when he was down!That all changed a few years ago, I don’t know what happened with his followers. He was only looking to make $200 from each casino he hit. Most of the time he was in the casinos only for a very short time, he made his money and moved on, I've seen him walk in and turn around and walk out after only a few rolls of the dice!
The casinos never said a thing to him, because I’ve seen him drop $10,000 when he went on tilt a few times. He did get banned from a few of the casinos that weren’t to smart. So the casinos he could play at changed over time!
I’ve also seen a slot player get banned just because she was just too damn lucky of a player, for the casino. It had to be the stupidest thing I ever saw in a casino!
So it does happen, you could have a player that never picked up the dice and still get banned from a casino. Then like everybody else, you could get banned for bad behavior and not your winning ways. Contrary to popular belief, casinos do not like winners, if you make the mistake of playing at the same casinos all the time and you are winning, you may get that tap on your shoulder, telling you that they don’t want your play!
Not to long ago one of the local casinos banned a couple don’t players, the one guy had been playing there for years there was nothing wrong with his play or his personality. I never did get the full story from him. What I got was just hearsay; he was on a winning streak when that happened,..that is the kind of thing that can happen to you, if you hit the same casino every day!
There are around 300 tables in Vegas, but you have the same guys going back to the same casino everyday, damn foolish if you ask me!
There is always the one pit manager that is sweating the money, that doesn't have brain one, they run off good players that they could be winning money from, what happened to the good old days when casinos know that if you won today you would lose the next day, and welcomed you back? Most of the time those type of pit managers don't last to long at a casino. They come in trying to prove that their pit will make money at the cost of losing players. When the casino action goes down their tables show a loss and out the door they go to screw up a different casino!
There are a few local casinos that their play is way down, because of the way they treat their local players, we don't have to play craps!
We want to be treated the same way all the time, if we are winning we shouldn't be getting hassled by the caisnos. That is what a lot of these casinos are now doing to their local players!
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August 23rd, 2013 at 9:28:36 AM
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Quote: robbiehoodThere is a video of this betting system on UTUBE
he says he has no betting system
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 23rd, 2013 at 9:52:57 AM
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First and last rule of betting the Darkside. Keep your f'n head down. You winning while others are losing.
August 23rd, 2013 at 9:57:48 AM
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Quote: JIMMYFOCKERWhat, making an ass of one's self at the craps table?
The OP loudmouth should have been kicked out months ago, the writing was on the wall with this fool, anyone that visited the Sante Fe regularly knew this chump, good riddance.
Are you being serious on this? You know who he is?
If that's the case, that explains everything. Exactly why Ahigh has been banned from playing at multiple places. They don't care if you win money, but if you cause problems with the Staff or other players, you're out.
All the explaining about betting methods and discipline are unneeded if JIMMYFOCKER is telling the truth.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 10:04:09 AM
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I don't know if JIMMYFOCKER is telling the truth, but his explanation would certainly make sense.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 12:13:32 PM
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There is some guy who plays at Caesars Windsor who puts out a $5 Pass, and a $5 Don't Pass simultaneously and never any odds on either. This of course only results in a net loss when a 12 is rolled on the comeout, and the net result of a push in every single other scenario that I know of.
I have to ask.. WHY?!?! Is this guy just really bored or something? Obviously if he's not fooling me, he's also not fooling the Box or the Floor Sup. Maybe his play gets rated decently because it's guaranteed not to win?
He's there for literally hours though almost every night. He steels a chair from the Black Jack tables near by so that he can sit.
I have to ask.. WHY?!?! Is this guy just really bored or something? Obviously if he's not fooling me, he's also not fooling the Box or the Floor Sup. Maybe his play gets rated decently because it's guaranteed not to win?
He's there for literally hours though almost every night. He steels a chair from the Black Jack tables near by so that he can sit.
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:25:49 PM
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you are a idiot JIMMYFOCKER! I never made an ass of myself at the table. And never caused any problems at the table.
August 23rd, 2013 at 12:50:23 PM
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Quote: nats1956you are a idiot JIMMYFOCKER! I never made an ass of myself at the table. And never caused any problems at the table.
When did you usually go to Santa Fe, and what position at the table did you usually play?
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August 23rd, 2013 at 1:02:27 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thWhen did you usually go to Santa Fe, and what position at the table did you usually play?
To the OP: I thought I knew who you might be, but I'm not so sure now. I'd probably recognize you if I saw you though, but oh well. Thank you for the PM, and take care, man.
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August 23rd, 2013 at 1:36:13 PM
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Quote: nats1956I never made an ass of myself at the table. And never caused any problems at the table.
So if we eliminate that your manners were insufferable as a possible explanation, we seem to be left with these plausibilities
*Your winnings are way outside the realm of 3 standard deviations and they figure you are cheating even though they don't know how
*Your winnings are way outside the realm of 3 standard deviations and they believe that a lucky person stays lucky
*Your winnings are within 3 standard deviations but they simply just hate you for winning
*You have just bet so big that they are literally running out of money
*You have simply humiliated some Suit who can't stand it anymore
or what is YOUR theory?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
August 23rd, 2013 at 1:41:21 PM
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Quote: nats1956you are a idiot JIMMYFOCKER! I never made an ass of myself at the table. And never caused any problems at the table.
Speaking of being 86'd.....
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August 23rd, 2013 at 2:02:54 PM
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I have no theory other than the casinos do not like to lose! I do not use any type of system. I really play with my hunches when I decided to go with or against the shooter. I never place a Pass Line bet and almost never place a bet I can not control. My usually buy in for $2500 and place 2 $300 DC bets w/a small lay or single odds(I use a 2-3 count before betting DC). My place bets or usually on the table for about 2-4 rolls and will take them down and place a smaller bet on the same #. I'm not afraid of getting stuck and having to grind my way to even. My last three plays at the Santa Fe I was in $15-20K and manage to escape and book my win.
August 23rd, 2013 at 2:16:16 PM
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Quote: nats1956My last three plays at the Santa Fe I was in $15-20K and manage to escape and book my win.
If true, that might be it. I know a guy that's been
playing for 25 years and he swears casinos hate
this kind of consistent action from a player. If
you get way down and make it back time after time,
like nat just described, they 86 you just to play it safe.
Its dangerous behavior as far as they're concerned,
you're not supposed to be able to do that.
He's been barred for similar things a few times and now
only plays hit and run. Grinding got him so much heat,
especially in the last 5 years, he gave it up.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 23rd, 2013 at 2:20:07 PM
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Tell the world how one grinds a profit at a craps table.Quote: EvenBobIf true, that might be it. I know a guy that's been
playing for 25 years and he swears casinos hate
this kind of consistent action from a player. If
you get way down and make it back time after time,
like nat just described, they 86 you just to play it safe.
Its dangerous behavior as far as they're concerned,
you're not supposed to be able to do that.
He's been barred for similar things a few times and now
only plays hit and run. Grinding got him so much heat,
especially in the last 5 years, he gave it up.
August 23rd, 2013 at 2:51:26 PM
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Quote: JIMMYFOCKERTell the world how one grinds a profit at a craps table.
http://www.boxingscene.com/casino-gambling/7505.php
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
August 23rd, 2013 at 3:49:06 PM
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My new goal...to get 86'ed from a keno lounge
August 23rd, 2013 at 3:54:52 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
