How does the Wizard play craps?
Then again, the last time I played was after the last GGE meet. As I recall, we were all betting the pass/come, except teddys. It was an icy cold table so we all got killed, except Teddy. After that, it is to heck with being a team effort and I'm sticking to my don't strategy.
Quote: WizardI usually bet the don't, lay odds, and do the same with don't come bets. Sometimes I make a don't bet on every roll, and other times I limit to covering three numbers. However, in the past, when playing with friends, who tend to bet the pass/come, I'll do the same, just for the sake of fun.
Then again, the last time I played was after the last GGE meet. As I recall, we were all betting the pass/come, except teddys. It was an icy cold table so we all got killed, except Teddy. After that, it is to heck with being a team effort and I'm sticking to my don't strategy.
Thanks for that. I kind of expected that type of bet. What I am looking for, though, is if you progress after winning "X" bets, or just flat bet all the time. Appreciate your answering the question.
Edit: Never mind. You really don't need to answer it. Being a Don't bettor would mean you probably just flat bet throughout the shooters at the table. Again, thanks for responding.
Quote: bushmanEdit: Never mind. You really don't need to answer it. Being a Don't bettor would mean you probably just flat bet throughout the shooters at the table. Again, thanks for responding.
Yep. Unless I'm up to something, like card counting, I'm a flat bettor in every game.
Quote: bushmanI know what the Wizard will say, regarding betting: PL/DP and odds; probably followed by C/DC and odds. However, would he increase the line/come bets as a shooter becomes "hot" (I know, we don't know he's hot until after the roll.) My case: I start with a $5 line bet and increase appx. 50% after the second pass (i.e. 5-5-7-10-15-20-25, etc.) backing with odds. After a 7-out, back to a $5 line bet. Should I just "flat bet" at a higher level throughout a shooter's hand? I think we're all looking for that elusive "monster hand" making oodles of cash, and the way I know is to progress after wins. Sorry if it has been answered before. I have searched but failed to find. I will expand in another thread, at another time, a follow-up question. Thanks.
In my (limited) experience I haven't made greater profit by pressing each second Place bet win or by increasing my line bet when a shooter does well.
My biggest scores have been with come bets and single odds ('cuz I'm chicken) and a hot shooter. Last trip at NYNY a shooter had a long roll and I was probably on 5 numbers with single odds when he 7'd-out. It was a $15 table and so I probably had over $180 on the table but when I look at coloring out $700 versus a $200 buy-in, I consider the $180 on the 7-out to be the Casino's money that was lost - not mine.
Quote: WizardYep. Unless I'm up to something, like card counting, I'm a flat bettor in every game.
why flat bet instead of pressing when you play Pass/continuous come?
Quote: WizardYep. Unless I'm up to something, like card counting, I'm a flat bettor in every game.
Even at PG tiles? Jumping your bet around is part of the game there!
Quote: FleaStiffI think most "Don't Bettors" are grinders. They take a viewpoint of The Dreaded Seven is most likely for each and every roll and they are not going to suddenly say to themselves: Well, this particular shooter is a Hot Blonde with great perfume who is facing south and wearing red. Nor will they go through any other thought processes that are more "flights of fancy" than emphasis on the reality of the Dreaded Seven. Don't Bettors tend to not press their bets; they grind out the side of the "best" bet even though its "best" by only the slightest smidgen that one tip to a cocktail waitress will erase.
I will "press" the odds on my DP/DC bets, riding the trend of a cold table.
Seven Out, Line Away, Pay the Don't.
Quote: WizardAfter that, it is to heck with being a team effort and I'm sticking to my don't strategy.
I knew you used a strategy. Everyone does...despite the mean "looks" many give to the strategy users here on this board.
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The brilliant, gifted, smart, and those that truly understand the game use the word "strategy" to manage their money.
The dumb, retarded, misguided, who don't understand the odds of the game tend to use the word "system" to manage their money.
It's all so very clear to me now and makes so much sense.
Quote: slackyhackyI know...you all have taught me this very well.
You've got a point, but you have to admit using the term 'betting system' anyway, generally, is all about thinking you can beat the House, even in the long run.
Have you thanked the Wizard of Odds lately?
Quote: bushmanSo, I use a betting system, I would guess, as well as a strategy. I bet PL and take odds, then place 6 and 8 (5 and 8 if PL of 6; 6 and 9 if PL is 8.) Yes, I know of the house advantage on the two. That, I take it, would be my strategy. My system would be where I increase my bets as they win. Continuing to progress my bets hoping for the long hand.
And therein lies the difference between the two.
Quote: cowboyAnd therein lies the difference between the two.
Yup! Agreed. Never should have ever dropped a bet on the DP, way back when I first played craps. That is how I started. DP and lay odds, followed by DC and laying odds. Never progressed my bets. Should probably take a lesson from the Wizard, as that is how he answered the original question.
