Big hands/rolls at Caesars?

"In fact, when there was discussion on the Internet about a shooter winning 3-million dollars on a hand (I think it was back in December) and I asked an exec at Caesars to confirm, his response was "people win that kind of money every day here."

I guess it's a stupid question, but it's a Saturday morning... Do people really win(and lose) that kind of money on one roll(pass line and numbers) every day at Caesars and perhaps other high limit tables around town? I've always thought it was a myth based upon my own experiences and observations. Baccarat another story of course and if talking about one shoe.

But at craps? The largest I've every seen was a guy at Binions about fifteen years ago, private table as in no one else allowed to play but in the casino near the cage, and only betting with $10,000.usd chips. He didn't lose or win a lot of money during the time I watched.

i heard someone once won $270 by betting a $1 yo and hitting it 18 times in a row.

Quote: sodawater

i heard someone once won $270 by betting a $1 yo and hitting it 18 times in a row.

Another recent story I read on here, a guy wagered $25.usd on twelve 30 tosses in a row, then left. Immediately after this shocking loss, the poster threw three twelves in a row! It's a strange world out there. Be careful! I love gambling stories when they are true but when fiction gets mixed in I get sort of depressed or shall we say, disoriented and confused.

So, back to it...what sort of wins/losses in one hand have you actually witnessed?

Quote: NokTang

"In fact, when there was discussion on the Internet about a shooter winning 3-million dollars on a hand (I think it was back in December) and I asked an exec at Caesars to confirm, his response was "people win that kind of money every day here."

I guess it's a stupid question, but it's a Saturday morning... Do people really win(and lose) that kind of money on one roll(pass line and numbers) every day at Caesars and perhaps other high limit tables around town? I've always thought it was a myth based upon my own experiences and observations. Baccarat another story of course and if talking about one shoe.

But at craps? The largest I've every seen was a guy at Binions about fifteen years ago, private table as in no one else allowed to play but in the casino near the cage, and only betting with $10,000.usd chips. He didn't lose or win a lot of money during the time I watched.

The largest buy-in I have seen at Caesars was about $250K maybe a little more. The player was all show though. Had half of a regular table roped off for him all day, even when he wasn't playing. When I saw him he came down with a blonde on each arm and held court at the table for about 15 minutes with his entourage and was only betting blacks and greens.

The largest real action I ever saw at Caesars in the public casino was roulette. The asian player had the table to himself and was putting about $100K a spin out on the numbers. He would often win a million on 1 spin. He was playing for several hours and believe his chips were gone when he left but I didn't watch him most of the time.

I also watched a lady playing a whole carousel of $100 slots more as less a fast as she could. She was playing when I came down in the morning and still playing when I went to bed that night. That was likely a serious loss.

NokTang why don't you hang out at Caesars on a weekend instead of Binions and see for yourself.

Keep an eye out for a cursed craps table that rolls a lot of nines.

Here's a story about a high roller at Caesars with more than two million in markers, playing the don't, who tipped the shooters at the $10 table a thousand dollars each if they sevened out. I posted this online years ago, in this archived thread:

http://igamingforums.com/iGaming/QuestionForCrapPlayers/gzrv/post.htm

Quote: NokTang

"In fact, when there was discussion on the Internet about a shooter winning 3-million dollars on a hand (I think it was back in December) and I asked an exec at Caesars to confirm, his response was "people win that kind of money every day here."

I guess it's a stupid question, but it's a Saturday morning... Do people really win(and lose) that kind of money on one roll(pass line and numbers) every day at Caesars and perhaps other high limit tables around town?

I read your question again, Noktang. A "hand" is not a single roll of the dice, but a shooter's turn with the dice. You might have a "good hand" and make five different passes, or you might have a "bad hand" and do a point-sevenout.

I hope you didn't think a "hand" meant a single throw.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I read your question again, Noktang. A "hand" is not a single roll of the dice, but a shooter's turn with the dice. You might have a "good hand" and make five different passes, or you might have a "bad hand" and do a point-sevenout.

I hope you didn't think a "hand" meant a single throw.

Hi Alan. Yes, I know a "hand" means one shooter who perhaps makes several points and holds the dice for a while. That's why I mentioned placing the points.

Regarding your terse, wicked, and vial and childlike suggestion I hang out at Caesars instead of Binions I can only refer you to the obvious..I live in Bangkok Thailand so not as easy as you "suggest". That said, my Binions' reference was in the late 1990's when it was a large place with a lot of craps tables(including the converted Mint) and 100times odds. If you need a point of reference, I was a guest of the young Binion, he was my host. The nephew. His name if I recall was "Bobby Fexer".

even in the 1990s ... maybe even moreso than today... Caesars had $100 tables operating in the Palace casino.

So why are you questioning whether there are high rollers at Caesars? If any casino in Vegas is known for its high rollers at craps, it's Caesars.

Granted, Caesars isn't what it used to be. You can find plenty of $10 tables there now, even on Saturday nights and holiday weekends. They even let low rollers like me in to play.

OK, it's plainly obvious that people do NOT win or lose $3 million at Caesar's Palace "every day." The floorman was exaggerating.

Quote: sodawater

OK, it's plainly obvious that people do NOT win or lose $3 million at Caesar's Palace "every day." The floorman was exaggerating.

I didnt think you would take the comment that people win three million dollars every day "literally" just as I didn't. But it makes me smile that you might have. :-)

I can totally believe that lots (well, relatively) of people win 3m at Caesar's a day... they also probably lose like, 3.01m that same session.

Now, walking out of there with +/-3m is a totally different story.

The most I ever saw was at Venetian. Some Hollywood producer lost 1.4 million in one night and not a very long night. His average wager was somewhere around 50-60K. He bet on all the numbers; all the crazy crapper bets too. He didn't mind that I was playing at the table with him but his side of the table was reserved. He had certain rules too. The stickman could not be changed while he was shooting, he had to wait until the fellow sevened out; cocktail waitresses had to serve from his right. When these rules were broken, he went ballistic; screaming at the dealers and boxman. Not a pleasant guy. Waitresses got everything right but this guy was a crummy tipper.

How did I shoot? I was awful and helped him lose some money. I took the dice four times, sevened out quickly and then just stood around and watched.

Then there was a Japanese porn star at Bellagio. He made the proper bets; Pass Line / Come bets with full odds but he kept going so he could cover all the numbers. His Pass/Come bet was 5K then he took those odds. He did not lose 1.4 million but he did lose. He also put on a show with two of his ladies of the morning who were dressed in an undressed kind-of way (this was around 10 o'clock). I was there with my "Five Horsemen" team of Dominator, Stickman, Nick@Night and Skinny. How did we shoot? Awful.

Quote: AlanMendelson

even in the 1990s ... maybe even moreso than today... Caesars had $100 tables operating in the Palace casino.

So why are you questioning whether there are high rollers at Caesars? If any casino in Vegas is known for its high rollers at craps, it's Caesars.

Granted, Caesars isn't what it used to be. You can find plenty of $10 tables there now, even on Saturday nights and holiday weekends. They even let low rollers like me in to play.

Hi Alan. Again...to refresh your memory and context....

1. I've played at those $100.usd craps min tables in the Palace casino. Most recently during the fight weekend, Thomas Hernes vs. Sugar Ray Leonard.

2. There is a difference between "high rollers" and losing millions of dollars on one hand(same shooter, several points made etc.).

3. Having been on the "inside" with some of Caesars representatives, suffice to say it's more hype and show than reality. Sure, they get some high rollers but they have a lot of $100,000. credit line players which makes them rich. Binions was know for high rollers at craps, not Caesars back then. Now, I don't know.

4. The floorman was treating you like a pest by refusing to give you a straight answer.

5. Continued personal attacks aren't required. They don't work, this is the internet. Only amuse those in a circle.

I wish you well but your stories are difficult to believe and I don't find them entertaining. That doesn't mean I'm asking you to cease making them up. You've obviously been at it for years. There is an ounce of believability in some of them and new people are gullible enough to think you are being sincere. Keep it up if it turns you on and entertains them of course, which it must. Now about those million dollar plaques was it you who saw two of them at Caesars or another member?

Quote: NokTang

Now about those million dollar plaques was it you who saw two of them at Caesars or another member?

Hi Alan. Here is the story you provided a link to. I think you wrote it and experienced it? Anyhow, it's an example of what I'm talking about i.e. "stories".

Have a nice night.

(posted by Alan I think)
Date: 2003-07-21 19:04:17 PST
Sunday morning at around 3:30am till about 5am I had the session of a lifetime playing craps at Caesars Palace. No, I didnt win any money. In fact, I think I lost thirty or forty dollars. Still, it was the session I will talk about for the rest of my life.
Me and two buddies from work had just finished LOSING in the Palace casino at Caesars when we went for a walk and wandered over to the Forum casino at Caesars. Usually the two craps tables at the Forum side are closed at that time of the morning. But this time one of the tables was open and when we got to the table the young crowd was hooting and hollering and exchanging high-fives.
I walked up to the table with my friends and noticed that there were very few chips on the table. It was a ten dollar min table and most of the players had only two red chips on the pass line, and very few place, come, field or horn bets.
I couldnt understand why all the laughter??
Then my eyes went to the end of the table, next to the Dont Come box and that's when I saw a sight I had never seen before and will never forget:

The player had his rail filled with large purple chips chips about double the size of normal chips at Caesars. I was standing next to the stick and asked him, "what denomination?"
"25-thousand," he told me.
Then my eyes went to the boxman who had marker chips placed in front of him. Sometimes, when they have a big credit player, they just place marker chips down in front of the boxman instead of asking the player to sign a marker each time.
In front of the boxman were some big marker chips. There was one for 25,000 and another for 100,000 and another for 200,000 and some smaller markers for 10,000. But that's not what got my attention.
What got my attention was a white tile, like a bathroom tile. And on the white tile was written 1,000,000.
Yes, this don't player had markers for more than a million dollars, and it looked like more than a million was in his rail.
He wasn't shooting, and as I walked up to the table the dice passed to a young girl to my right. She placed ten dollars on the passline and rolled. She loaded up the table with points. Mr Millionaire loaded up the table with don't come bets on each of the points. And then he said to the shooter, "seven out now for a thousand dollars."
She sevened out. He tossed her a yellow chip ($1,000 at Caesars).

Then the next player. Seven out. $1,000 chip.
Now I understood why this table of ten dollar players was so excited. They were getting a payoff of a grand each time they sevened-out. What a deal.

Then the dice came to me. Well, I didnt want to get involved in a betting game like this, but I do like throwing the dice. So I set my cross-sixes and rolled. And rolled. And rolled. And after I loaded up the table with points, I kept rolling. After I had cost Mr Millionaire about $350,000 he said to me from across the table "$1,000 for a seven out."

I set my dice and sevened out. But NO yellow chip came my way.

"Sir," I said. "You offered me a thousand dollars for a seven?" He ignored me.
The dice passed to the next player, and he was in on the deal from the beginning. He threw a few points and then started chanting, "seven, seven, seven."
But no seven. He kept throwing points. He kept throwing points for ten minutes, and then Mr Millionaire's rail was empty, and he asked for ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS.
They gave it to him. Another million in $25,000 chips and some chocolate chips ($5,000) for good measure. The delivery from the cage came in a matter of minutes.
The players guard (supplied by Caesars) stood behind Mr Millionaire throughout .
Mr Millionaire was back in the game, but now he had markers of more than two million dollars, and a second white tile with 1,000,000 on it on the table.

Now, the lucky player had sevened out and the dice passed to the next player.

This next player was also lucky. In just a few minutes, MrMillionaire was down another half million dollars. He was getting nervous.

Then the table turned, and the dice went around the table rather quickly.

It was my turn to roll again. I set my cross-sixes on the table but before I picked up the dice, I looked at Mr Millionaire and said, "You never gave me the thousand dollar chip before?" He ignored me.
I picked up the dice and rolled. Yo. Seven. Seven. And then the points. A couple of them repeated immediately.
The dealers were urging me to place bets on the numbers. No, I was going to just keep my ten dollars on the passline.
The numbers were loaded once again. And he whispered across the table a theatrical whisper that everyone could hear. "Seven out now." And then he winked. I set my dice and sevened out.
But again, no yellow chip. He intently watched the dealer pay off his dont come bets and ignored my repeated request. "Hey' where's my chip?" No reaction from him. "This is the second time," I protested. No reaction.

Two more players rolled, and then Mr Millionaire colored up. His markers were paid off, and he had a profit of $112,000 on his adventure. Some of the other players at the table had yellow chips. Some only got a white ($500) chip.

I got nothing.
When Mr Millionaire and his guard and his casino host walked away from the table, so did all of the other players leaving just me and my two buddies with the dealers and the three floormen, supervisor and boxman.

What a creep he stiffed me. But what was even worse was how he treated the dealers. Yes, he tipped them, but his tip was only one yellow chip. One thousand dollars.
I said to the dealers they really got it bad. They shook their heads, and commented theyve seen all kinds.
It was the session of a lifetime. cheers, alan

Yes, I wrote it. You don't believe me? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying that I started this lie years ago and continued it to this day? Would you say this was a "big lie" because I started it years ago and continued to tell it on several different discussion forums about craps? Does the lie about the the big player at Caesars also make me a liar about seeing a random shooter throw a yo 18 times in a row? Are you trying to build your case that I am nothing but a liar with big fish stories about craps?

The other guys with me were also reporters and cameramen from KCAL-TV. It was a weekend trip for the "news guys." I'd be happy to put you in touch with the other guys who were with me. Maybe we are all liars. After all... if you weren't there, and if you didn't see it, then I must be lying.

Oh, and when I quote someone from Caesars it isn't a floorman.

And if you want to check me out... check the archives of the Las Vegas Review Journal for its stories about craps at Caesars and most recently about the dice sliding case at Wynn. I don't lie. And I don't have to lie to get attention or anyone's respect.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Yes, I wrote it. You don't believe me? Are you calling me a liar? Are you saying that I started this lie years ago and continued it to this day? Would you say this was a "big lie" because I started it years ago and continued to tell it on several different discussion forums about craps? Does the lie about the the big player at Caesars also make me a liar about seeing a random shooter throw a yo 18 times in a row? Are you trying to build your case that I am nothing but a liar with big fish stories about craps?

Hello. Please don't get so upset. No one is calling you a liar. We simply can tell, those of us who have been around the block, that you are making the stories up aka "fiction". Writing fiction isn't a lie in my book. Keep it up, no worries.

Quote: NokTang

Hello. Please don't get so upset. No one is calling you a liar. We simply can tell, those of us who have been around the block, that you are making the stories up aka "fiction". Writing fiction isn't a lie in my book. Keep it up, no worries.

When someone says he witnessed something and you say he is making it up, that is by all conventions calling him a liar. There are no two ways about that. Especially seeing as how you do not have even a scintilla of evidence to keep broadcasting your claim.

Winning big at Caesar's and actually getting paid form Caesar's are two different things.

Quote: Keyser

Winning big at Caesar's and actually getting paid form Caesar's are two different things.

What does that mean? Do you mean Caesars doesn't pay its gambling debts? And it doesn't pay its winners?

Quote: FrankScoblete

Then there was a Japanese porn star at Bellagio. He made the proper bets; Pass Line / Come bets with full odds but he kept going so he could cover all the numbers. His Pass/Come bet was 5K then he took those odds. He did not lose 1.4 million but he did lose. He also put on a show with two of his ladies of the morning who were dressed in an undressed kind-of way (this was around 10 o'clock). I was there with my "Five Horsemen" team of Dominator, Stickman, Nick@Night and Skinny. How did we shoot? Awful.

This would be a more fun story had it been a "she", but anyway;

There must be a huge monopoly on pornstars in Japan. It's always the same guy in every porno and he controls the market or something. Not that I would know, something "my friend" has observed :|

Quote: SanchoPanza

When someone says he witnessed something and you say he is making it up, that is by all conventions calling him a liar. There are no two ways about that. Especially seeing as how you do not have even a scintilla of evidence to keep broadcasting your claim.

Hi SanchoPanza. I don't call people names. He didn't witness it so it's not a lie as to what he did witness. There isn't a scintill of evidence it(or the other claims) actually happened either. It's good reading if you want your imagination stimulated but as I said before, those who have been down the road and seen many things know a story when we read it as opposed to an actual event that happened. Have a nice morning.

Quote: AlanMendelson

What does that mean? Do you mean Caesars doesn't pay its gambling debts? And it doesn't pay its winners?

Caesar's pays its winners from all accounts. I think he means they as do most casino's expect and want you to lose the money back.

Quote: NokTang

Hi SanchoPanza. I don't call people names. He didn't witness it so it's not a lie as to what he did witness. There isn't a scintill of evidence it(or the other claims) actually happened either. It's good reading if you want your imagination stimulated but as I said before, those who have been down the road and seen many things know a story when we read it as opposed to an actual event that happened. Have a nice morning.

So, you're calling me a liar? Of course you are. If you're going to call me a liar be a man about it and come right out and say "Alan Mendelson is a liar." And then add, "Alan Mendelson who was a reporter at KCAL-TV Channel 9 in Los Angeles and posts under his own name, and is now a TV personality in Los Angeles whose reputation and earnings depend on his good name, is a liar, because what he said happened at Caesars Palace with the high roller and the million dollar markers and the don't player handing out $1,000 chips is all a big lie. And Alan Mendelson was not at that table with another TV reporter and editor and cameraman from KCAL-TV, the CBS-owned and operated TV station in Los Angeles and he lied about the whole thing."

Say it. I want you to say that I am a liar.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Say it. I want you to say that I am a liar.

Not my style or way Alan.

You witnessed 18 Yo's in a row.

You witnessed a guy bet on a 12 being rolled for thirty rolls, then you yourself stepped up and proceeded to toss three twelves in a row after the gambler gave up and left the table.

You yourself have rolled all the hardways including 2 and 12, three times in a row.

You witnessed a high roller take over two million dollars in markers at a craps table, said markers not being signed for but rather plaques with "one million dollars" being placed on the table. Said high roller was tipping other young players $1000.usd for a seven out but didn't tip you when you did it twice.

It's all good folly and fun to read for many. Again, not to continue to repeat, to me it becomes silly but again, to repeat, you go ahead and make up and post these stories. They have an audience who enjoys them, I'm just not in it.

A member who has made some very good posts here in the past is rapidly losing credibility by letting attitude get in the way.

Unusual things do happen. In this post almost three years ago, I told of some things that happened during a trip through Mississippi. The next to last paragraph of that post says:

Quote: Doc

The following day, I was back in Harrah's, but the only standard crap table operating stayed completely full, so I wound up losing far too much playing crapless craps. One time when I was shooting, I was already down enough that I was significantly limiting my wagers. After setting a point, I placed the 8 and put $1 on the hard 8, but I didn't bet the 6 at all. During that roll, I never hit an 8 of any kind. I did, however, hit the hard 6 on three consecutive rolls. I was so shocked that I had to ask the player next to me whether I had really done that, and he gave confirmation. The following roll was an easy 6, but the one after that was another hard 6. If I had bet the 6s instead of the 8s and had pressed just a little bit, I might have had a winning session. Coulda, woulda, shoulda....

And that's exactly the way it happened.

Thanks Doc. For a minute I thought you were gonna recall the time you threw 18 yo's in a row.

Must have been a different trip. I don't even remember that one. ;-)

Quote: NokTang

Not my style or way Alan.

You witnessed 18 Yo's in a row.

You witnessed a guy bet on a 12 being rolled for thirty rolls, then you yourself stepped up and proceeded to toss three twelves in a row after the gambler gave up and left the table.

You yourself have rolled all the hardways including 2 and 12, three times in a row.

You witnessed a high roller take over two million dollars in markers at a craps table, said markers not being signed for but rather plaques with "one million dollars" being placed on the table. Said high roller was tipping other young players $1000.usd for a seven out but didn't tip you when you did it twice.

It's all good folly and fun to read for many. Again, not to continue to repeat, to me it becomes silly but again, to repeat, you go ahead and make up and post these stories. They have an audience who enjoys them, I'm just not in it.

The 18 yo in a row is impossible for me to believe. The other stories are not though. Im only 29 and haven't played a lot of craps in my life but I have seen people hit hit hard ways or snake eyes 3 times in a row. I've seen people tip other shooters. I have evn been tipped. I have witnessed people making hop bets or horn bets many times in a row. I tend to believe most of what Alan says.

Quote: Beardgoat

The 18 yo in a row is impossible for me to believe. The other stories are not though. Im only 29 and haven't played a lot of craps in my life but I have seen people hit hit hard ways or snake eyes 3 times in a row. I've seen people tip other shooters. I have evn been tipped. I have witnessed people making hop bets or horn bets many times in a row. I tend to believe most of what Alan says.

Completely agree. Though I have no reason to doubt Alan and I actually believe he is one of the most honest members here. I also know human nature, and 6 yo's in a row seems like 10 when it happens and over time as we repeat the story it becomes 18...... This is not to question Mr. Mendelson's honesty but rather to point out that craps roll data are not collected or stored scientifically.

It's weird to me. I don't even think Alan is lying about 18. I know it's totally possible he saw it, but I just would never believe it. Even if I saw a recording I wouldn't believe it. If the wiz himself verified it I wouldn't believe. I'd literally have to see it to believe it

Quote: sodawater

i heard someone once won $270 by betting a $1 yo and hitting it 18 times in a row.

if only the dipshit had a clue about pressing...