True odds question
May 31st, 2013 at 1:59:17 PM
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At Gold Strike in Tunica if you do not place a pass line bet but place at least ten dollars in odds you get paid true odds on the bet. So if the point was 4 and was made and I had $5 on the pass line and $5 in odds I would get paid $15. If I didn't make a pass line bet and the point of 4 was established then I could lay $10 in odds and get paid $20 when the point hit. The best play would be to not play the pass line and take at least $10 odds right? Is there something that I'm missing here? I can't believe that the casino would allow a single bet that they have no edge on but that is the way I'm seeing this. Am I right or am I flawed in my thinking?
May 31st, 2013 at 2:04:22 PM
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Sounds right to me. Free odds are good. Maybe they're trying to lure in larger bets to try and make it on variance?
On second thought-- see if they'll let you buy for free too!
On second thought-- see if they'll let you buy for free too!
May 31st, 2013 at 2:07:00 PM
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They would let you place odds bets behind the line without making a passline bet first? Yeah, ideally you would want to do that as many times as possible, preferably every time you didn't shoot (shooters are forced to make a pass line bet, iirc). You're basically gambling for "free" if you bet on nothing else. If they do comps right though, don't expect to comp you anything for doing that. But who knows how they actually would comp you in that spot. :)
May 31st, 2013 at 2:12:39 PM
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Quote: tringlomane(shooters are forced to make a pass line bet, iirc).
Usually, yeah. Is there an advantage to playing Don't while taking Pass Odds in such a situation though? I'm inclined to say no, but I can't quite seem to wrap my head around the math right now.
May 31st, 2013 at 2:14:54 PM
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I don't even understand this. Are you sure you have the rules right?
If the rules are as you say they are, you should never make a line bet.
If the rules are as you say they are, you should never make a line bet.
May 31st, 2013 at 2:15:28 PM
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Its not an Odds bet if there is no Flat bet.
Its simply a LAY bet or the reverse of a BUY Bet.
Any commission free or commission on win only is simply the price of their letting you make the LAY bet.
If you use the term "odds" its not a felony. If they use the term "odds" its not a felony. It is "wrong" but its not a big deal.
Its simply a LAY bet or the reverse of a BUY Bet.
Any commission free or commission on win only is simply the price of their letting you make the LAY bet.
If you use the term "odds" its not a felony. If they use the term "odds" its not a felony. It is "wrong" but its not a big deal.
May 31st, 2013 at 2:15:46 PM
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Quote: VenthusUsually, yeah. Is there an advantage to playing Don't while taking Pass Odds in such a situation though? I'm inclined to say no, but I can't quite seem to wrap my head around the math right now.
No. The don't bet would still be -1.4% while the "free" free odds bet would be 0%. There would be no way to get an advantage on the game but you could gamble for free.
May 31st, 2013 at 2:42:29 PM
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I thought this almost sounded to good to be true. It may ruin my comps but I'm going to try just placing the point and see what happens. I'll let you know how it turns out.
I'm sure I am not using proper termanoligy for what's happening but it was the only way I knew how to say it. This is not advertised at all but the dealer assured me that this was the house rules. You do have to have at least $10 to get the actual odds. If the point is four and you only place 5 you get paid $9 instead of $10. I don't know what the rules are concerning buying a number. I need to ask and see.
I'm sure I am not using proper termanoligy for what's happening but it was the only way I knew how to say it. This is not advertised at all but the dealer assured me that this was the house rules. You do have to have at least $10 to get the actual odds. If the point is four and you only place 5 you get paid $9 instead of $10. I don't know what the rules are concerning buying a number. I need to ask and see.
May 31st, 2013 at 2:53:14 PM
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They probably decided to do this since most players would find it "boring" if their only action is placing the point every time. These players would more than likely start placing other numbers as well, which is exactly what the house wants. Whatever their reason, it's great for the player. I assume business must be really slow for them to be offering a deal like this.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
May 31st, 2013 at 3:01:56 PM
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Actually the tables are pretty full. Sometimes you have to wait for a spot to open. I've never seen anyone just place the point though. Someone's one all the high house bets every roll. I seen one guy hit $1600 on a all, small, tall bet. The table racked in a lot of money on that bet before it ever hit though. When it finally did hit there was only one player on it. Everyone else had given up on it. When it hit they all started betting on it again.
May 31st, 2013 at 3:01:58 PM
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Is it possible the dealers are just convincing you to buy the number -- and maybe the house only charges commission on winning bets?
May 31st, 2013 at 3:02:58 PM
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Quote: Mikey75I thought this almost sounded to good to be true. It may ruin my comps but I'm going to try just placing the point and see what happens. I'll let you know how it turns out.
I'm sure I am not using proper termanoligy for what's happening but it was the only way I knew how to say it. This is not advertised at all but the dealer assured me that this was the house rules. You do have to have at least $10 to get the actual odds. If the point is four and you only place 5 you get paid $9 instead of $10. I don't know what the rules are concerning buying a number. I need to ask and see.
also, when you do this, is your bet just sitting behind the pass line? or do they move it to the center of the number box?
May 31st, 2013 at 3:08:13 PM
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What I was told was that after the point is made if you place your bet on the pass line and it was at least a ten dollar bet that it would pay full odds. The dealer explained it to me exactly like I have explained it here. She used the ten as a example and said if a point of ten was made and I didn't have a pass line bet I could place five one the line and it would be pay 9. If you take it to ten it would pay $20 just like the odd on the pass line would. She said that was true for every point as long as I bet at least $10.
May 31st, 2013 at 3:12:47 PM
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Quote: sodawateralso, when you do this, is your bet just sitting behind the pass line? or do they move it to the center of the number box?
The bet is placed on the white line that marks the pass line.
May 31st, 2013 at 3:21:55 PM
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nice don't have to bet the line to get free odds on the point. I'm in.
I CD-ROM.
May 31st, 2013 at 3:57:37 PM
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Quote: Mikey75The bet is placed on the white line that marks the pass line.
Usually that denotes a place bet on the point. But congrats on getting a free free odds bet! Obviously you should devote 100% of your craps bet to this promotion
May 31st, 2013 at 3:58:46 PM
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Quote: sodawaterUsually that denotes a place bet on the point. But congrats on getting a free free odds bet! Obviously you should devote 100% of your craps bet to this promotion
And when I tell myself that is usually within half an hour of when it's time to pack it up and go home... =P
May 31st, 2013 at 4:56:04 PM
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I really wished I would have known this sooner. I had to discover this information after most of my bankroll was lost lol. Oh well there is always next time!!
May 31st, 2013 at 5:32:33 PM
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At $5 you are placing the point. At $10 it becomes a buy. They should pay you $19. (Pre Harrah's next door it would have been $19.50!) If they are paying you $20, somebody needs to be fired.
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May 31st, 2013 at 7:19:31 PM
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Quote: DeMangoAt $5 you are placing the point. At $10 it becomes a buy. They should pay you $19. (Pre Harrah's next door it would have been $19.50!) If they are paying you $20, somebody needs to be fired.
Obviously the dealer talking to the member is wrong. It explains everything. Difficult as it is to believe, some dealers are this confused by the game. Do it once and I assume the boxman or floor person paying attention(an assumption of course) would not permit it and explain the game to the dealer and customer.
May 31st, 2013 at 7:27:22 PM
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Quote: Mikey75I seen one guy hit $1600 on a all, small, tall bet. .
Sorry for my nativity, but what is this wager? Thanks in advance.
May 31st, 2013 at 7:46:18 PM
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Quote: NokTangSorry for my nativity, but what is this wager? Thanks in advance.
It's a craps side bet not unlike the Fire Bet: Link to Galaxy Gaming website.
The short of it is that you have to roll all 10 non-7 numbers before rolling a 7 (regardless of point cycle) to win the "All or nothing" bet, which pays 175-to-1. No foolin', I saw this bet hit at the Bellagio while a quiet Asian gentleman was betting it for a quarter. Nice little 4 grand hit there. I don't recall what he had on the smaller all-tall and all-small bets, but add that to the winnings too.
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May 31st, 2013 at 7:52:08 PM
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Quote: NokTangSorry for my nativity, but what is this wager? Thanks in advance.
All Small bet is a bet that the "small numbers" (2,3,4,5,6) will be rolled before a 7. (pays 35 for 1)
All Tall is the same, for 8,9,10,11,12.
The All or Nothing is every number will be rolled before a 7. I believe that pays 170 for 1.
Can anybody confirm?
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May 31st, 2013 at 7:57:46 PM
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Quote: Mikey75The bet is placed on the white line that marks the pass line.
Oh okay. Now I understand what you are talking about. That is a universally allowed bet that will often be orally confirmed by the crew the first time you make it so they are certain that you understand what it is you are actually doing.
Anytime a chip is placed directly ON that white line, it is known as "Placing the Point" and will usually be orally confirmed when you first do it. It is physically and mathematically no different than if you were to put the money in the Come Area and tell the dealer "Place the X" and he positions your chips appropriately for your rail position on X which is also displaying the Puck with "ON' turned up.
Its not a Buy Bet. Its a Place bet. Just like any other place bet. It is a way of making a bet on a number that you rather than the dice have selected.
May 31st, 2013 at 8:00:13 PM
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Quote: Yo11All Small bet is a bet that the "small numbers" (2,3,4,5,6) will be rolled before a 7. (pays 35 for 1)
All Tall is the same, for 8,9,10,11,12.
The All or Nothing is every number will be rolled before a 7. I believe that pays 170 for 1.
Can anybody confirm?
Thanks for both explanations. This bet is only available on the come out roll according to the link kindly provided. To me, a person who doesn't matter, it turns craps into a carnival game and would be less attractive to a gambler who's been down many paths of self destruction. I prefer the standard layout with the best odds I can get.
May 31st, 2013 at 8:00:18 PM
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if it's not a buy bet, why is he being paid $20 on a $10 4?
May 31st, 2013 at 8:03:17 PM
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Quote: sodawaterif it's not a buy bet, why is he being paid $20 on a $10 4?
He didn't say he was paid said amount, only that it was explained as such to him. I remain convinced the member understood the dealer but said dealer was simply wrong and confused.
June 1st, 2013 at 2:32:37 AM
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What's the difference between what the OP said and a "put bet"??
June 1st, 2013 at 4:00:43 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat's the difference between what the OP said and a "put bet"??
I think, but am not positive, "put bet"s are only available in private games and are often booked by another player at the table/desk/on the floor/ near the wall etc., not in a legal casino.
June 1st, 2013 at 5:06:59 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat's the difference between what the OP said and a "put bet"??
You don't know the difference between a put bet and placing the point?
You have been playing craps how long?
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June 1st, 2013 at 5:42:57 AM
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DeMango
Just like he has only saw two DI's since he has been playing craps, this now explains why that was. Where is Ahigh when you need him, maybe he could explain it to Alan!
Quote: Alan mYou don't know the difference between a put bet and placing the point?
You have been playing craps how long?
Just like he has only saw two DI's since he has been playing craps, this now explains why that was. Where is Ahigh when you need him, maybe he could explain it to Alan!
Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...!
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June 1st, 2013 at 7:27:41 AM
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Rick; I'm truly amazed no one has called him out on 18 yo's in a row. Not even a math geek giving us a figure on that, too small for my pocket calculator!
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
June 1st, 2013 at 7:46:10 AM
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Okay folks here it is straight from the drunkard's mouth:
Everything starts with the Pass Line Bet its a Win on any Natural (7 or 11) a Loss on any Craps (2,3, 12) but if you neither win nor lose (4,5, 6,8,9,10), you go into the "Bonus Round" hoping for whatever point was just rolled to be rolled again prior to that dreaded, unspeakable number being rolled (7).
If there is already a point number, you don't have to wait around for the next Come Out Roll, you can position your chips where it says "Come" and you are thereby declaring the next roll to be your own private ComeOutRoll between you and the House. So instead of marking the point number with the Hockey Puck, he picks up your stack of chips and marks it with that instead.
Either way, you bet now rides on a number the Dice have chosen.
If you want to choose your own number, its called a PLACE Bet... the house lets you choose but nicks you a bit when it pays off.
If you want to choose your own number but also choose not to be nicked at payoff, that is known as a Buy Bet: Its a PlaceBet wherein for a little bit more of your money they have agreed not to nick you at payoff. So they position it as a Place Bet and position a little lammer on it that reads "BUY" to remind them to payoff that particular PlaceBet at True Odds because the Bettor has paid extra to Buy the true odds from the casino.
Now this PUT BET stuff.... you've got to have an experienced crew and a Box Man who is wide awake. These are two rare events in Vegas. Rare in other towns too, I hear. A PUT BET is a Phantom COMEbet that BYPASSES the come box in a ghostly manner and goes directly onto the player designated number as a minimum Come Bet with an offset Odds Bet already stacked atop it.
Obviously any time the house lets you do anything the least bit fancy, they are going to "wet their beak" a little. Its up to you to know how much more you gain from Lady Variance and how much less you lose to that darned wet beak.
Everything starts with the Pass Line Bet its a Win on any Natural (7 or 11) a Loss on any Craps (2,3, 12) but if you neither win nor lose (4,5, 6,8,9,10), you go into the "Bonus Round" hoping for whatever point was just rolled to be rolled again prior to that dreaded, unspeakable number being rolled (7).
If there is already a point number, you don't have to wait around for the next Come Out Roll, you can position your chips where it says "Come" and you are thereby declaring the next roll to be your own private ComeOutRoll between you and the House. So instead of marking the point number with the Hockey Puck, he picks up your stack of chips and marks it with that instead.
Either way, you bet now rides on a number the Dice have chosen.
If you want to choose your own number, its called a PLACE Bet... the house lets you choose but nicks you a bit when it pays off.
If you want to choose your own number but also choose not to be nicked at payoff, that is known as a Buy Bet: Its a PlaceBet wherein for a little bit more of your money they have agreed not to nick you at payoff. So they position it as a Place Bet and position a little lammer on it that reads "BUY" to remind them to payoff that particular PlaceBet at True Odds because the Bettor has paid extra to Buy the true odds from the casino.
Now this PUT BET stuff.... you've got to have an experienced crew and a Box Man who is wide awake. These are two rare events in Vegas. Rare in other towns too, I hear. A PUT BET is a Phantom COMEbet that BYPASSES the come box in a ghostly manner and goes directly onto the player designated number as a minimum Come Bet with an offset Odds Bet already stacked atop it.
Obviously any time the house lets you do anything the least bit fancy, they are going to "wet their beak" a little. Its up to you to know how much more you gain from Lady Variance and how much less you lose to that darned wet beak.
June 1st, 2013 at 12:21:21 PM
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Put bets are when you put money on a number as if it had gotten there via the come box. It allows you to take free odds on the bet. At a certain multiple of free odds allowed, put bets become better than placing or buying the same number -- e.g. at 100x odds, a put bet is always better than placing or buying.
Put bets are legal in Vegas but are illegal in NJ.
Put bets are legal in Vegas but are illegal in NJ.
June 1st, 2013 at 1:09:37 PM
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As has been stated, placing a bet on the white line edge of the Pass Line AFTER a point has been established, is PLACING the point. It is the same as throwing the money on that table and asking the dealer to place that number.
However, when you are playing at a casino where the vig is on the win on a Buy bet, it can get interesting. Say the point is 4. If you put $5 on the edge of the Pass Line, it will pay like a place bet, 9:5. Many casinos will only do a Buy bet at $20 or greater, but some will do a buy bet at $10. Let's say you are playing at a casino that allows a $10 Buy Bet. A $10 Place bet will pay $18. A $10 Buy bet will pay $20, minus a $1 vig = $19. So you get an extra $1 for making it a Buy bet.
Once again, it now depends on the casino. I have played at casinos where I could PLACE the point of 4 on the PASS LINE edge, and any bet greater than $20 is paid as if it was a Buy bet. I ALWAYS confirm with the dealer that I will be paid as a BUY bet though the first time I do it that session. But some places I have played will not let you make a Buy bet that way. IF I say I want that to be a Buy 4 bet, they move it onto the layout and put it on the 4 box. These places usually also always use the BUY lammers as well.
Time for my Beau Rivage, in Biloxi plug. As I have said often, they do vig on the win, for the BUY 4,5,9,10. Any bet over $20 is automatically treated as a Buy bet. You do not have to ask, and even if you say place the 5 for $25, they will pay you as a Buy bet (instead of the Place pay of $35, you get the Buy payout of $36, $30 bet gets you $44). And because they are always Buy bets, they never screw around with the lammers. The only lammer activity is when you turn on place/buy/Come bet odds on a come out roll, or turn off place/buy bets during a roll.
This really makes for a cleaner game, as it cuts out a lot of extra activity and lets the dealers concentrate on helping the players make their bets. Sure they are giving away some money, because many of the players have no idea why they are getting paid 'extra' money, especially on those 5 and 9 bets. But instead of trying to maximize their fleecing of the unwary gambler, Beau chooses to just automatically pay everyone, whether they understand the difference or not.
It is also possible that perhaps Mississippi has that in their gambling laws, since I think I recall Tunica casinos behaving the same way.
However, when you are playing at a casino where the vig is on the win on a Buy bet, it can get interesting. Say the point is 4. If you put $5 on the edge of the Pass Line, it will pay like a place bet, 9:5. Many casinos will only do a Buy bet at $20 or greater, but some will do a buy bet at $10. Let's say you are playing at a casino that allows a $10 Buy Bet. A $10 Place bet will pay $18. A $10 Buy bet will pay $20, minus a $1 vig = $19. So you get an extra $1 for making it a Buy bet.
Once again, it now depends on the casino. I have played at casinos where I could PLACE the point of 4 on the PASS LINE edge, and any bet greater than $20 is paid as if it was a Buy bet. I ALWAYS confirm with the dealer that I will be paid as a BUY bet though the first time I do it that session. But some places I have played will not let you make a Buy bet that way. IF I say I want that to be a Buy 4 bet, they move it onto the layout and put it on the 4 box. These places usually also always use the BUY lammers as well.
Time for my Beau Rivage, in Biloxi plug. As I have said often, they do vig on the win, for the BUY 4,5,9,10. Any bet over $20 is automatically treated as a Buy bet. You do not have to ask, and even if you say place the 5 for $25, they will pay you as a Buy bet (instead of the Place pay of $35, you get the Buy payout of $36, $30 bet gets you $44). And because they are always Buy bets, they never screw around with the lammers. The only lammer activity is when you turn on place/buy/Come bet odds on a come out roll, or turn off place/buy bets during a roll.
This really makes for a cleaner game, as it cuts out a lot of extra activity and lets the dealers concentrate on helping the players make their bets. Sure they are giving away some money, because many of the players have no idea why they are getting paid 'extra' money, especially on those 5 and 9 bets. But instead of trying to maximize their fleecing of the unwary gambler, Beau chooses to just automatically pay everyone, whether they understand the difference or not.
It is also possible that perhaps Mississippi has that in their gambling laws, since I think I recall Tunica casinos behaving the same way.
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June 1st, 2013 at 1:59:22 PM
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Quote: DeMango
Rick; I'm truly amazed no one has called him out on 18 yo's in a row. Not even a math geek giving us a figure on that, too small for my pocket calculator!
Well this is after all the internet, where fiction runs wild, players would rather read fiction then to know the truth! Now here is my disclaimer, When I ask a dealer that had just retired the day that I asked him how many yo's in a row did he ever see, when he was playing on the table with me, and he asked why. When I told him about the 18 yo's for some odd reason he started laughing, damn I couldn't figure out why he would do that, DeMango do you know why he would laugh at me just for asking that question?
Now I'm not a math guy but and wouldn't waste my time trying to figure the math out on doing something like that, only because I wouldn't want to type out all those zeros!
Now this should be pretty easy for a math guy that likes typing out zeros, it may even look pretty neat, seeing all those zeros! Any of you math guys up to telling all us dummies what the answer would be?
While someone is at it, they may want to see what the odds would be in throwing 23,..6's in a 26 roll, that one has got to be one of the funniest ones I heard in a long time.
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June 1st, 2013 at 5:59:58 PM
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Quote: superrickWell this is after all the internet, where fiction runs wild, players would rather read fiction then to know the truth! Now here is my disclaimer, When I ask a dealer that had just retired the day that I asked him how many yo's in a row did he ever see, when he was playing on the table with me, and he asked why. When I told him about the 18 yo's for some odd reason he started laughing, damn I couldn't figure out why he would do that, DeMango do you know why he would laugh at me just for asking that question?
Now I'm not a math guy but and wouldn't waste my time trying to figure the math out on doing something like that, only because I wouldn't want to type out all those zeros!
Now this should be pretty easy for a math guy that likes typing out zeros, it may even look pretty neat, seeing all those zeros! Any of you math guys up to telling all us dummies what the answer would be?
While someone is at it, they may want to see what the odds would be in throwing 23,..6's in a 26 roll, that one has got to be one of the funniest ones I heard in a long time.
18 Yo's in a row: 1 in 39,346,408,075,296,537,575,424 (sorry just 2 zeros).
23 6's in a 26 roll: 1 in about 2,440,927,724,540,810,226,200,469 (5 zeroes)
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June 1st, 2013 at 6:45:35 PM
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Quote: miplet18 Yo's in a row: 1 in 39,346,408,075,296,537,575,424 (sorry just 2 zeros).
23 6's in a 26 roll: 1 in about 2,440,927,724,540,810,226,200,469 (5 zeroes)
Last night I read a promotion for a dice seminar, priced at a mere $795.usd, which I assume teaches you how to do this including hard ways which would increase the above numbers, and at the end takes you to a real live open USD casino in Las Vegas to prove it. No mention of money back but who would need/want any of the $795.usd back with such skills taught in one day!?
June 1st, 2013 at 6:54:53 PM
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Quote: RaleighCraps
This really makes for a cleaner game, as it cuts out a lot of extra activity and lets the dealers concentrate on helping the players make their bets.
Good information. In regards to "cleaner game", this was my point earlier as to the Small, Tall, etc. which only as I said and IMHO would make the game more like a carnival than a serious hard driving money making craps table with real men and women knowing when and how to play and dealers involved and no arsehole sticking his/her hand out hitting the dice as they fly down the table resulting in a seven out and you, the shooter, wanting to slice said hand off the idiot.
June 1st, 2013 at 7:59:45 PM
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Quote: NokTangGood information. In regards to "cleaner game", this was my point earlier as to the Small, Tall, etc. which only as I said and IMHO would make the game more like a carnival than a serious hard driving money making craps table with real men and women knowing when and how to play and dealers involved and no arsehole sticking his/her hand out hitting the dice as they fly down the table resulting in a seven out and you, the shooter, wanting to slice said hand off the idiot.
Beau has added the Small/Tall/All bet in the past year. I have been down there twice with this bet active, and I have made good money on this bet.
$15 gets you $5 Small, $5 Tall, and $5 All, and I have been paid on each a few times. 34:1 on the Small and Tall, 175:1 on the All. Of course, when you get the all, you already got paid on the Small and Tall. It makes for a very nice payday.
On my last session at Beau, I was just getting on a $25 table when the dice passed to the other end of the table, and I forgot to make the Small/Tall/All. I realize dit as the dice were being picked up by the shooter. If I had been at the table I would have made a call bet, but as a new player to this table I did not want to start off with that. Of course, she shoots the All bet. That is a $170+ $170 + $875 payout missed. Difference between a winning session and a loser. :-(
It is a nasty bet though, when you have a shooter throwing a few 7 winners on a Come out roll. Really adds up in a hurry, since you need to make a new $15 bet after each 7 'winner'.
I really like the bet, and I do not play any center table bets, other than an occasional hardway. It pays out quite often (way more often than the fire bet) and it gives you a chance at a 175:1 payout,
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June 1st, 2013 at 9:07:07 PM
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In the past, I have just added to my pass line bet to hedge the inevitable 7 on the come out roll cycle.
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June 1st, 2013 at 9:49:02 PM
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I've never really played any of the "side bets" in craps. The house edge is just so high. I rarely ever play a hard way, mostly sticking to pass line, come, and place bets. There was a shooter hiting a good number of twelves. After he hit it a few times I tossed a 1 on the 12 and it hit. 30 to 1 payout. That was the first time I've ever made that bet. I also placed a field bet which I rarely do and it hit twice so I bumped it to a two unit bet and he rolled the 12 again. 3 to one payout. I was down to my last $6 for my session bank roll and this shooter took me up to $130. I wish I would have pressed harder and it would have been a even bigger win.
Concerning my original post the ten and four where paying $20 with a $10 bet without a pass line bet. Every other point number was paying the same as if you placed it. I have no idea why this was. I'm anxious to see how it pays the next time I make it back.
Concerning my original post the ten and four where paying $20 with a $10 bet without a pass line bet. Every other point number was paying the same as if you placed it. I have no idea why this was. I'm anxious to see how it pays the next time I make it back.
June 2nd, 2013 at 2:17:28 AM
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didnt read whole thread but i think you are thinking of coming into a roll late where the point has already been established. At this time you can place a bet on the backline between the passline and the odds (on the back line of the actual passline) this is actually just placing the number. so if a 4 is rolled and you put money down on the odds you are actually just placing the number and will be paid 9/5 on your money.
June 2nd, 2013 at 2:23:18 AM
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I think what is happening is that when the point is 4 or 10, the dealers know that buy bets are better than place bets, and are telling the OP about the payoff at true odds without mentioning the commission due.
June 2nd, 2013 at 2:35:59 AM
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Quote: sodawaterI think what is happening is that when the point is 4 or 10, the dealers know that buy bets are better than place bets, and are telling the OP about the payoff at true odds without mentioning the commission due.
I agree with sodawater. The dealer may have said a $10 bet will pay $20, but then at the payout would have said, "Drop me a dollar".
I can't imagine any dealer being so green on the game that they would forget to collect a vig on this bet, and a boxman and other dealers who also don't see this mistake being made. It sure would be sweet to find this though. $54 across, and $300 on the PASS LINE EDGE, getting paid true odds. ka-ching
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June 2nd, 2013 at 3:02:37 AM
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Quote: miplet18 Yo's in a row: 1 in 39,346,408,075,296,537,575,424 (sorry just 2 zeros).
23 6's in a 26 roll: 1 in about 2,440,927,724,540,810,226,200,469 (5 zeroes)
So that, for the 18 yo's in a row, is one in 39 and 1/3 Septillion? I'm thinking there may not have been that many total rolls in the history of bank craps! Alan probably miscounted and there were only 17 yo's in a row.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
June 2nd, 2013 at 4:36:52 AM
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Quote: RaleighCraps$54 across, and $300 on the PASS LINE EDGE, getting paid true odds. ka-ching
Not so fast. It never seems to work out that way! But it should, I agree.
June 2nd, 2013 at 4:39:30 AM
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Quote: DeMangoYou don't know the difference between a put bet and placing the point?
You have been playing craps how long?
Im afraid that in my haste I misstated my question about whether the OP perhaps misunderstood what was being presented to him.
I see that you are still questioning the unbelieveable turn at Caesars where a random roller threw 18 yos in a row. Yes, it was unbelievable. And all three of us players couldnt believe it as each of the 18 were thrown and none of us bet the yo even once.
It might have been a trillion to one occurrance... but none of us made a nickel from it. So yeah... say it didn't happen. Because since no one made a nickel from it it might as well not have happened. I have nothing to show for it, nor does anyone else.
June 2nd, 2013 at 4:43:19 AM
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Quote: NokTangI think, but am not positive, "put bet"s are only available in private games and are often booked by another player at the table/desk/on the floor/ near the wall etc., not in a legal casino.
Caesars allows put bets. It's a flat bet with odds after the point is established.
June 2nd, 2013 at 4:51:21 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonCaesars allows put bets. It's a flat bet with odds after the point is established.
Hi Alan. Yes, I think I was wrong above. Put bets are indeed more common in private games without a layout but I doubt popular unless the odds exceed five times in casino's. Again, I could be wrong and am no expert. Caesars has always been a favorite casino of mine because the dealers are experienced and the pit crew usually well dressed. I feel like I'm rich despite only playing green and black chips.
