Dice control on bubble craps
May 20th, 2013 at 8:23:00 PM
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Question:
Has anyone had any luck or heard of such praticing dice control on the "mystery of 50" bubble craps machines.
Background:
I am a novice to this world, I go to vegas once or twice a year with my wife and have a good time usually breaking about even. Generally I go to have fun and don't put much thought into advantage playing.
The last couple of times I've noticed and preferred the bubble craps machines to the tables mainly because I can play on the strip with low minimums. I have noticed (and seen others discussed) some abnormalities in the frequencies that come up. Further a few times I've been able to time the dice so that the showing roll will be the result. It is a rare opritu it's but occasionally it does happen.
Anyway your thoughts?
Has anyone had any luck or heard of such praticing dice control on the "mystery of 50" bubble craps machines.
Background:
I am a novice to this world, I go to vegas once or twice a year with my wife and have a good time usually breaking about even. Generally I go to have fun and don't put much thought into advantage playing.
The last couple of times I've noticed and preferred the bubble craps machines to the tables mainly because I can play on the strip with low minimums. I have noticed (and seen others discussed) some abnormalities in the frequencies that come up. Further a few times I've been able to time the dice so that the showing roll will be the result. It is a rare opritu it's but occasionally it does happen.
Anyway your thoughts?
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May 20th, 2013 at 8:37:51 PM
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I've heard theories. I think that the action/response of the roll buttons varies somewhat.
By the way, it's actually "history of 50" -- they flash a couple of sporadic stats about the last 50 rolls.
By the way, it's actually "history of 50" -- they flash a couple of sporadic stats about the last 50 rolls.
May 20th, 2013 at 8:44:52 PM
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Ha yea o generally tune her out :)
Can you point to the theories you've seen my friend?
Can you point to the theories you've seen my friend?
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May 20th, 2013 at 9:20:21 PM
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I would doubt there is an opportunity there, but please identify the machine(s) so that there is less confusion.
The only electronic craps I've played just kept rolling and rolling the dice inside a plastic bubble and there was no "roll" button nor did I see any history display though I would have ignored it if I had.
The only electronic craps I've played just kept rolling and rolling the dice inside a plastic bubble and there was no "roll" button nor did I see any history display though I would have ignored it if I had.
May 20th, 2013 at 9:51:20 PM
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Quote: FleaStiff... please identify the machine(s) so that there is less confusion.
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May 21st, 2013 at 12:57:17 AM
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Such machines might have the potential to "remember" the last position of the dice. This possible pattern production would be something any casino would question, so the manufacturer must have been able to convince doubters.
One thing I am sure of is that players have tried to find a pattern. There are always some dumb-asses doing it, but also some sharp characters. I think by now some of the latter would have cracked it.
Any anecdotal-level observations you may make without tons of data are just going to mess with your head, worthless stuff. I suggest you give up trying to find patterns and just enjoy your play.
One thing I am sure of is that players have tried to find a pattern. There are always some dumb-asses doing it, but also some sharp characters. I think by now some of the latter would have cracked it.
Any anecdotal-level observations you may make without tons of data are just going to mess with your head, worthless stuff. I suggest you give up trying to find patterns and just enjoy your play.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
May 21st, 2013 at 3:55:10 AM
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I'm a believer. We had a thread about this a while ago and I couldn't find it. Basically, my theory is that over time the results are fair, but there might be some correlation from one set of numbers to the next.
I would love to study it and make thousands, but I'm not because an AP play like this is not fair to the casinos that are just trying to provide me with some entertainment.
I would love to study it and make thousands, but I'm not because an AP play like this is not fair to the casinos that are just trying to provide me with some entertainment.
May 21st, 2013 at 6:40:38 AM
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The beauty is that thousands of samples can be made fairly cheaply: on a $1 machine if you play 24 hours straight you'll get 60 to 70 hours of play hours of play on a $50 dollar bankroll.
There is a big button that basically causes the dice to get jostled when you press it.
The game has been compared to no-whammies which is funny because no-whammies was in fact advantage-able.
Not fair? I don't want to cheat, just like an interesting problem. A couple extra bucks with out breaking any rules sounds okay too.
There is a big button that basically causes the dice to get jostled when you press it.
The game has been compared to no-whammies which is funny because no-whammies was in fact advantage-able.
Not fair? I don't want to cheat, just like an interesting problem. A couple extra bucks with out breaking any rules sounds okay too.
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May 21st, 2013 at 6:44:43 AM
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Quote: FinsRule...because an AP play like this is not fair to the casinos that are just trying to provide me with some entertainment.
So is card counting "not fair" either?
Fighting BS one post at a time!
May 21st, 2013 at 6:47:10 AM
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Quote: Hexaplusif you play 24 hours straight you'll get 60 to 70 hours of play hours of play on a $50 dollar bankroll.
You can play 60-70 hours in only 24 hours?? You're good.
Fighting BS one post at a time!
May 21st, 2013 at 7:12:52 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thYou can play 60-70 hours in only 24 hours?? You're good.
Well, if you move fast enough you could take 70 hours of earth-perspective time to complete 24 hours from your perspective. But you'd still only experience 24 hours.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
May 21st, 2013 at 9:35:44 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thYou can play 60-70 hours in only 24 hours?? You're good.
Ha, poor wording on my part my meaning was round the clock. As in 24 hours a day. The implication being an impractical run for sure.
Thanks for the input.
Does any one know of an odds calculator: for instance what is the probabilty I will double my money before loosing my entire bank roll?
I wrote my own but I think it might be a bit pessimistic.
100 bankroll $5 pass, 2 times odds, gives my just below 45% double 55% bust
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May 21st, 2013 at 11:04:09 AM
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Quote: Hexaplus7 11 4 4 11 7 out
Your signature doesn't make any sense. Assuming you're starting at the come-out:
7 - winner
11 - winner
4 - point set to 4
4 - point winner
11 - winner
7 - winner
The last 7 isn't a "7-out."
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May 21st, 2013 at 12:09:02 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsYour signature doesn't make any sense. Assuming you're starting at the come-out:
7 - winner
11 - winner
4 - point set to 4
4 - point winner
11 - winner
7 - winner
The last 7 isn't a "7-out."
Didn't say it was.
Obviously you're not a student of 20th century South Asian number theorist.
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May 21st, 2013 at 12:29:13 PM
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If you watch this machine you will notice that it shakes and vibrates heavily before you press the shooters button and a slight delay happens. The dice are constantly turning, changing positions along with what's on top or bottom before you can shoot. Any patterns you see are in your head, but god loves trier's
Good luck, stranger things have happened.
Good luck, stranger things have happened.
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May 21st, 2013 at 2:28:22 PM
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We finally have a bubble craps dice control thread.
It's official. The forum has hit rock bottom.
It's official. The forum has hit rock bottom.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
May 21st, 2013 at 2:43:26 PM
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Hey, smoke and mirrors work very well together.
"What, me worry?"
May 21st, 2013 at 5:56:25 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf you watch this machine you will notice that it shakes and vibrates heavily before you press the shooters button and a slight delay happens. The dice are constantly turning, changing positions along with what's on top or bottom before you can shoot. Any patterns you see are in your head, but god loves trier's
Good luck, stranger things have happened.
Haha thanks buddy! God loves triers, I'm using that I tell you what.
Quote: MakingBook
We finally have a bubble craps dice control thread.
It's official. The forum has hit rock bottom.
Hahaha, Sorry to degrade the dignity of your gambling forum big guy! Seriously though, could you provide a simile to express the degree of faux pas inherent in such a topic? I'm genuinely interested.
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May 21st, 2013 at 6:35:10 PM
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No. Its quite topical and your contributions will be valued. It is perhaps absurd to consider dice tumbling under a sealed plastic bubble are being "influenced" by the pretty waitress walking by, but you are welcome to make your comments and this is indeed a good forum. Now if you have the same doubts that I have it may be that one quick read of the thread will suffice for you but if you want to stand there clocking the dice for hours upon hours.... go ahead. Just don't ask me to think sealed dice are bouncing differently because of these hard stares from passersby.Quote: MakingBookIt's official. The forum has hit rock bottom.
May 24th, 2013 at 1:38:43 PM
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After some more research and doing a bit of math I do not think there is an advantagable edge here.
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May 24th, 2013 at 1:56:51 PM
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Quote: HexaplusAfter some more research and doing a bit of math I do not think there is an advantagable edge here.
Thankyou for your further contribution and admission, it really was an interesting concept, just a hard one to grok.
May 24th, 2013 at 2:15:17 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffa hard one to grok.
I learned a new word, Fleastiff!
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May 30th, 2013 at 1:25:11 PM
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couple of things.
first i have played on them and actually made money. There are long rolls and short rolls
just like on a real table.
I personally think their rigged because a number of times i have seen the dice almost settle on one number
and then all of a sudden roll over like there is a magnet affect. Could be in my head, but i saw
this. Also my last trip to Laughflin , my feet were sore so i played it awhile
and had a real long roll, much longer than i had at any real table.... but the betting limits were so low
i could only make a little.
IT also provides decent comp play.
Dicesetter
first i have played on them and actually made money. There are long rolls and short rolls
just like on a real table.
I personally think their rigged because a number of times i have seen the dice almost settle on one number
and then all of a sudden roll over like there is a magnet affect. Could be in my head, but i saw
this. Also my last trip to Laughflin , my feet were sore so i played it awhile
and had a real long roll, much longer than i had at any real table.... but the betting limits were so low
i could only make a little.
IT also provides decent comp play.
Dicesetter
May 30th, 2014 at 10:25:04 AM
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I love the bubble machine - it's how I learned the game... I still spend a couple of hours playing each trip, some of the tables can get pretty wild on the good rolls.... put in $100, roll for an hour or two, a few free beers - life is good....
May 30th, 2014 at 10:38:17 AM
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I presume the OP is referring to the machine (casino) manipulating the results (magnets, whatever) to make the game something other than random.
I do not believe that this is the case.
Obviously, the players cannot influence or control the dice in any way.
I have not played bubble craps and don't think I'll start.
I do not believe that this is the case.
Obviously, the players cannot influence or control the dice in any way.
I have not played bubble craps and don't think I'll start.
February 5th, 2018 at 11:45:47 AM
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I Also think there is a magnet, sometimes the dice will just stop suddenly from full motion.
February 6th, 2018 at 6:56:36 PM
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It appears to me that it is possible to reduce the variability by hitting the button when one die is relatively flat and showing a particular number. The table only shoots the dice straight up.
Whether this actually makes a difference, I don’t know, but I did have an exceptional roll, and several rolls of 10+ shots using it.
Whether this actually makes a difference, I don’t know, but I did have an exceptional roll, and several rolls of 10+ shots using it.
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February 7th, 2018 at 2:31:33 AM
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Quote: AyecarumbaIt appears to me that it is possible to reduce the variability by hitting the button when one die is relatively flat and showing a particular number. The table only shoots the dice straight up.
Whether this actually makes a difference, I don’t know, but I did have an exceptional roll, and several rolls of 10+ shots using it.
I would have to guess you raised some eyebrows.
Less variance? Meh. Change the distribution of possible outcomes? Now you're talking!
Edit: rereading that, you say 'variability', not 'variance', so maybe you did mean changing outcomes. I'd be working on that if I were you.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 9th, 2018 at 3:33:05 PM
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Quote: mtw2I Also think there is a magnet, sometimes the dice will just stop suddenly from full motion.
No offense, but for those who genuinely think this, why the hell are you going anywhere near a casino? If you accept that there are magnets in here, how could you trust a regular table doesn’t have loaded dice, that blackjack decks are fair, that slot machine software is fair, etc etc?
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:16:17 PM
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Quote: tuppI've heard theories. I think that the action/response of the roll buttons varies somewhat.
By the way, it's actually "history of 50" -- they flash a couple of sporadic stats about the last 50 rolls.
I hate to bust your "bubble" but there is no such skill to this game. it's dice in a bubble controlled by a machine just like SicBo (3 Dice) game.
There is a history of 50 previous rolls and if you "follow the trend" like roulette you can only get lucky.
They have a very nice bubble style multi player craps machine with minimum bet $1.00.
It's great if you like to try new bets or if you're a newbie and just simply learn this way.
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