Mikey75
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May 17th, 2013 at 9:24:01 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713



@mikey75 its pretty easy to build a good small rig.. (something effective that won't take up space...) I'll pm the specs



Thanks I appreciate it. The only pyramid backwall that I can find comes in 4 ft sections and is going to be close to $60 with shipping. I can't see needing a full four foot to build a practice rig with. Anywhere you can buy a smaller amount any cheaper? With tables on eBay selling for around 100 I can't see how I could pay $60 for the backwall material and come out any better than purchasing a premade one. By the time you purchase the materials and the felt you'll have over 100 in building one. If you know where I can get a smaller section of the backwall cheaper I'd love to know.
sodawater
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May 17th, 2013 at 11:50:41 PM permalink
borgata tables are like supercharged rubber.

not that it has any effect on the game, other than preventing cheating and keeping the pit personnel busy retrieving dice.
DeMango
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May 18th, 2013 at 12:55:06 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

borgata tables are like supercharged rubber.

not that it has any effect on the game, other than preventing cheating and keeping the pit personnel busy retrieving dice.


Actually, on decisions per hour, I would say it probably does make a negative inpact for the casino. Maybe Bill Zender will chime in here!
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superrick
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May 18th, 2013 at 8:06:03 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

borgata tables are like supercharged rubber.
not that it has any effect on the game, other than preventing cheating and keeping the pit personnel busy retrieving dice.



DeMango hit it right on the head in his quote below!


Quote: sodawater

Actually, on decisions per hour, I would say it probably does make a negative inpact for the casino. Maybe Bill Zender will chime in here!



Casino make their money off rolls per hour, they canít make money if the dice are on the floor, itís not your job to pick them up if they are off the table, think about what would happen if your back went out picking the dice up, for the casino.


If you are still working, who is going to pay your bills when youíre out of work, because you pulled your back when you bent down to pick up the dice? There are some players that love these type of tables, so the casinos are just killing themselves.
The schools even teach how to beat these tables!

These tables came about because of all the fiction that is written about being a DIís. Where you have writers,.. writing about there great rolls like 26,..8ís in 28 rolls of the dice. Or this real winner,. an SRR of 28. Or how about this one where the great fiction writer claimed to have rolled these hands, he wrote that there were 18 hands and here is what he said he rolled.
8, 12, 10, 4, 27, 18, 41, 21, 9, 30, 40, 39, 6, 5, 32, 45, 32, and 17. Now for the funny part he also claimed that there were players walking away from the table!

Casinos have the money to buy these books that our great fiction writers are writing, and they read these boards. Most of these casinos are now run by someone that never dealt the game of craps, and now sweat the money so bad that they will do anything to try and stop what they perceive as a threat to craps.

Bill Zender has said in interviews that the casinos didnít have to worry about anyone setting the dice, that in fact it was good for their business. That the DIís made the casinos money thinking they could beat the game of craps!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me5vgKkFUXA

There have been some casinos around Vegas that have taking all the foam off the tables and made their tables like they use to be, because they realized they were losing money when the dice were on the floor!

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Note, all my post start with this is just my opinion...! You do good brada ..! superrick Winning comes from knowledge and skill when your betting and not reading fiction http://procraps4u2.myfanforum.org/index.php ...
kneelb4zod
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May 18th, 2013 at 9:15:55 AM permalink
I can't keep the dice on the table at casino royale. One night, after about three tosses in a row that bounced off the table, I started barely getting them to the wall. Stickman started warning me right away to throw them harder.

Not an influencer, I thought, just trying not to get annoyed by another no decision.

They better be careful or I'll take my low stakes game down the strip to.... nevermind.
Ahigh
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May 18th, 2013 at 9:29:00 PM permalink
I played at Casino Royale today, and I will tell you they are among the bounciest tables in Vegas. You can't blame them having such low edges for a $3 table. Nothing else in Vegas has such a low edge without having big bankroll requirements.

I like to gamble just like anybody else, and I absolutely count this is a lucky session. I won $400 in just three rolls with no more than $30 on any bet. In every case I took everything down before rolling the seven, and my last roll, I passed the dice before finishing the roll without having any come bets left.

But it was absolutely 100% luck with the crazy bounce at this place.
TheWolf713
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May 18th, 2013 at 10:31:54 PM permalink
That's good to hear... Takes discipline to take the money down... If more players would realize that the money they are risking for a few more rips is already sitting on the table, they would do better..

Thanks for sharing..

-TheWolf713
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soulhunt79
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May 18th, 2013 at 11:10:31 PM permalink
I've never had a table that I thought was extremely bouncy. I've been on tables that I thought were extremely hard as if the felt was as thin as possible. I'm not sure how it affected the rolls though. The energy of the roll has to go somewhere. If it is not making the dice fly up, then I assume it is making them travel farther and bounce off a wall harder.

I think it was in Colorado that I had a table where you could press on the felt and it would give a 1/4inch at least. They did bounce higher it seemed, but nothing extreme from my point of view.
petroglyph
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May 18th, 2013 at 11:51:34 PM permalink
If you run into these types of bouncy tables out there. I think the very least we can do as player's is to bounce at least one off the table on purpose.
More if it feels good.
NokTang
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May 19th, 2013 at 4:28:58 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I played at Casino Royale today, and I will tell you they are among the bounciest tables in Vegas. You can't blame them having such low edges for a $3 table. Nothing else in Vegas has such a low edge without having big bankroll requirements.
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I don't understand the relationship between the low/high edge and the big bankroll (and min wager) requirements?

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