Books on Craps
i wont get into betting strategy's or patterns or anything on that matter here was it will always be a negative EV game and makes no difference how u bet. Over the long run you will lose.
Quote: nezbitiron cross is made specifically for Dice Controllers Ahigh...well done again making yourself look like a tard. But we can start another thread on it if you would like, i can show u mathematically, since u are not that good at math on whats what about craps and craps odds. also show u if an extreme example if you could avoid the seven 1 in 7 instead of the normal 1 in 6, i will show u the iron cross will own your passline come bet wager. especially if your you value your time, which i know most of us do.
i wont get into betting strategy's or patterns or anything on that matter here was it will always be a negative EV game and makes no difference how u bet. Over the long run you will lose.
Somebody, please help me here. It's like a gnat that I don't have time to swat at. I love being called a "tard" and all, but seriously.
If you like the Iron Cross, you'll love the MP204!!!! Have fun with that, by the way!!!
Quote: AhighSomebody, please help me here. It's like a gnat that I don't have time to swat at. I love being called a "tard" and all, but seriously.
If you like the Iron Cross, you'll love the MP204!!!! Have fun with that, by the way!!!
again Ahigh brings nothing that matters to the thread...thanks man. keep up the good work
It will be interesting if others have comments--pro or con--about your suggestions.
Thanks again.
Is the "you" here in reference to me? It sounds like a negative comment. Why do you say this?Quote: AhighYou also seem to be an expert on myths as well.
Is it because I called you out for your previous (and somewhat dismissive) comment in referring to me as "woman?"--which you did apologize for.
he is correct about one thing. for beginners just stick to passline and come bets. if you dont have the money to make odds then dont do so as they have no plus or negative expected value and will just make your winning and losing swings that much bigger.
I read and re-read Ahigh's post and I know he was responding to you, but I thought this one remark was directed to me. Just asking for clarification.Quote: nezbithe [Ahigh] is talking to me. he is all bent out of shape, for me calling him out on a few things in this thread and a few others.
I also got a little off subject previously when I commented about my curiosity that Ahigh is considered an expert--and then I realized that is not directly related to the subject of "books on craps."
A discussion of Ahigh can be a subject for a thread all of its own.
I hope you and Ahigh do not hijack this thread with your own back-and-forth comments.
Thanks again for the advice for beginners, but as others have recognized, I don't consider myself a beginner. I am looking for sources related to more advanced subjects regarding craps.Quote: nezbitfor beginners just stick to passline and come bets. if you dont have the money to make odds then dont do so as they have no plus or negative expected value and will just make your winning and losing swings that much bigger.
It's my opinion that Nezbit doesn't know as much as I know about the Iron Cross, and it's my opinion that Nezbit is not an expert.
That is as far as it goes as it relates to this thread. There are many people who think themselves to be experts who are not. Maybe I am one of those people; I don't know that. But I do believe, at least, that Nezbit is one of those people.
My comment was not directed at you, woman. ;-) And I say woman in an endearing way, not a demeaning one. Just like I do to "my woman," and my wife, Kelly.
I know that many men refer to their wives as "their woman" or sometimes "the woman" and they think this is endearing. And I know that many wives do not take offense. So I cannot say this is necessarily demeaning.Quote: AhighAnd I say woman in an endearing way, not a demeaning one. Just like I do to "my woman," and my wife, Kelly.
My husband uses much more charming and engaging terms to refer to me.
Because I've devoted years of training him. :-)
Why don't the two of you start a new thread entitled, simply, "Iron Cross" or "Anything but Seven" and others can join in without the risk of hijacking other unrelated threads (such as your winning thread, Ahigh)?Quote: AhighHe is someone who thinks he knows more than I do about the Iron Cross and how effective it is for the purpose of advantage playing the game with a controlled toss.
You can re-paste there (and hopefully not be in violation of the rules of the forum for doing so) Nezbit's several posts on his math analysis and we can all join in to discuss this from a mathematical perspective and possibly from a controlled toss perspective.
Frankly, I think the Iron Cross is just another form of hedge that exposes the player to a greater house edge than betting only on the passline or, alternatively, only placing the 6 and 8. But if you believe in a controlled toss (which I don't), then that conclusion may be challenged. But let's agree to discuss that subject elsewhere.
I spent a lot of time on these subjects analyzing in detail what the detrimental effects are of the 5 and 9 bets on MP204, and the Iron Cross is even more detrimental due to the high edge per roll on the field.
But no, I don't want to talk about that stuff. It's sort of basic stuff to me. He can start a thread, and I advised him to do that when he hijacked my "Big Wins" thread saying I should learn the Iron Cross.
Quote: crapswoman
Because I've devoted years of training. :-)
Ah, yes, basic training... :-)
http://www.amazon.com/Dice-Doctor-Sam-Grafstein/dp/158042273X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369063327&sr=1-1&keywords=the+dice+doctor
Posters on other & this forum have cited this book as a good one. It's not for beginners & I understand it gets into info that you might profit by. Money management & strategies are cited in the reviews as top notch.
Quote: Jimbo
2. Again, with due respect to others who have praised John Patrick's "Advanced Craps" I do not recommend Patrick's books as an instructive and good guide to the game. Nor do I recommend his videos. Simply go to youtube and check out some of his videos that are available there and his ridiculous remarks (such as "come bets are garbage"). Granted, Patrick is a published author of a number of gambling books. His books are some that may offer that one small nugget of helpful information--which may be hard to find with how he jumps around in his thinking--but for the most part, I am not impressed with what he writes and how he writes.
Fair comment, but let me explain the basis for my recommendation.
Patrick talks about many different approaches to the game in his book, many from the dark side, and quite a few employing hedges.
Neither of those are of value to me.
The thing I like about the book is that Patrick, alone among several authors I have read, spends a lot of time and detail exploring place betting, primarily placing the 6 and 8.
Based on that book, I switched from line betting to placing the 6 and 8 as my primary play.
Don't they say "Go home with the one that brung ya?"
Sure, Patrick is an innumerate, a walking lampoon, but he got this one right.
LOL. A very apt description, in my opinion.Quote: MrVSure, Patrick is an innumerate, a walking lampoon
I did concede that even with some of the more reprehensible craps books, it is still possible (even likely) to find some information that may be helpful. And the more you read books on craps, the more knowledgeable you become as you acquaint yourself with differing views and attitudes about how to approach the game.Quote: MrVbut he got this one [about placing the 6 and 8] right.
Quote: AhighI don't think it's worth it and there are already topics on that subject. He's just a new guy and full of vim and vigor. I don't dislike him, just wish he didn't call me stupid, really. If he truly seeks help, he may do this, or he may just read some of the existing threads on the topics.
I spent a lot of time on these subjects analyzing in detail what the detrimental effects are of the 5 and 9 bets on MP204, and the Iron Cross is even more detrimental due to the high edge per roll on the field.
But no, I don't want to talk about that stuff. It's sort of basic stuff to me. He can start a thread, and I advised him to do that when he hijacked my "Big Wins" thread saying I should learn the Iron Cross.
didnt we go over this already Ahigh? the edge is just over 1%, for any game in the house thats pretty damn good. The single time place bets lower the field bet, i have posted this several times before sooo please do everyone a favor and stop saying the same stupid ass shit over and over.
did you ever figure out those bets resolved yet? or you still barking up the wrong tree of math?...noob
Quote: nezbitQuote: AhighI don't think it's worth it and there are already topics on that subject. He's just a new guy and full of vim and vigor. I don't dislike him, just wish he didn't call me stupid, really. If he truly seeks help, he may do this, or he may just read some of the existing threads on the topics.
I spent a lot of time on these subjects analyzing in detail what the detrimental effects are of the 5 and 9 bets on MP204, and the Iron Cross is even more detrimental due to the high edge per roll on the field.
But no, I don't want to talk about that stuff. It's sort of basic stuff to me. He can start a thread, and I advised him to do that when he hijacked my "Big Wins" thread saying I should learn the Iron Cross.
didnt we go over this already Ahigh? the edge is just over 1%, for any game in the house thats pretty damn good. The single time place bets lower the field bet, i have posted this several times before sooo please do everyone a favor and stop saying the same stupid ass shit over and over.
did you ever figure out those bets resolved yet? or you still barking up the wrong tree of math?...noob
Uhm, wow. Alright, now I guess I'll change my mind. I don't like this guy. I don't expect he will change, and I even sort of doubt he's long for the forum if he keeps up this behavior.
Quote: nezbit
didnt we go over this already Ahigh? the edge is just over 1%, for any game in the house thats pretty damn good. The single time place bets lower the field bet, i have posted this several times before sooo please do everyone a favor and stop saying the same stupid ass shit over and over.
did you ever figure out those bets resolved yet? or you still barking up the wrong tree of math?...noob
You do know the Wizard has addressed all this, right? Pass line .42 per roll. Iron Cross over 1%. Aaron says he doesn't make bets over 1%. Case closed.
Quote: crapswoman
Is there a really good book on craps? What do you think is the best book on craps? What are the worse books on craps? Why?
Crapswoman, I too love books. Jimbo's post above has some great recommendations, and I also second strongly the other poster's recommendation of "Scarne on Dice", the book is just plain fascinating. I also enjoyed "No-Nonsense Craps" by Richard Orlyn, and you might find that a good "modern" primer on having fun playing craps. Beyond that, the game is actually quite simple, and the more general books on casino gambling that Jimbo recommended might be interesting to you given your expressed interests. I own most of them and find them quite fascinating.
Quote: Ahighcheaply. It's cheaply TIMSPEED. Gawd!!!! LOL.
If you told me I had to get rid of all my craps books but one, the Scarne on Dice is the one that I would keep. But not as a reference for how to play the game. This book is rich with history about the game and gives you more information than the others.
Many craps books are trying to sell you on a way of thinking when you play the game.
The best way to think when you play the game is "YAY I WON."
Don't make any stupid bets (consult the edge per roll reference of the Wizard in order to navigate this pitfall).
Make random bets and have fun. Even if you eventually want to get more serious about increasing the possibility of winning, your time would be more wisely spent thinking about your 401k/ira/etc investment allocation and/or balance.
Just have fun when you play craps is my advice. Be patient, and bet max odds and work max odds more often before making any other bets. Whether on the do side or the don't side, just take all your free bets before you bet anything else and make sure you don't bet more than you can lose at any moment.
(Even if you eventually want to get more serious about increasing the possibility of winning, your time would be more wisely spent thinking about your 401k/ira/etc investment allocation and/or balance.) AMEN !!!! Someone finally gave some sound advice. Most people do not understand that is gambling as well. Working The stock market daily is as well a form of gambling. Someone finally gave good sound intelligent advice. !!
