High Roller Radio Interview with me today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bnmxHvXsto



http://highrollerradio.net/Aaron_Hightower.html

"Craps expert"? "Has the edge"? Cool.

Aaron,
you sounded great, a great broadcast. Craps needs a champion for promotion, and a resurgence; it is THE game. Not taking position here on getting an edge, just about being 100% "craps positive."

Good interview

Why did Aaron order a contractor to widen his front door?



OK, couldnt resist my little joke. But how did this guy find you? he readily accepts that you are a Craps Expert.

Quote: Paigowdan

Aaron,
you sounded great, a great broadcast. Craps needs a champion for promotion, and a resurgence; it is THE game. Not taking position here on getting an edge, just about being 100% "craps positive."

Agreed!

PS: Good words for WoO and WoV in there counts for a lot too. I was not quite sure what you thought of the Wizard till now.

I will be sure to listen to this tomorrow, I'm afraid I lack adequate time for much except checking the Forum today.

Congratulations on a fine interview, Aaron!

Good interview Ahigh.

Thanks for all of the comments and encouragement folks. It is very much appreciated!

He sounds like Phil Hendry.

Hi. I heard the first few minutes and I have a question for Aaron:

You said in the interview something like you throw the dice the same way as Dominator does. I have never seen how Dominator throws but I do know that the way you throw the dice, Aaron, is not the method taught by GTC.

Can someone else provide more info here, please? Perhaps Frank?

Thanks.

Quote: AlanMendelson

but I do know that the way you throw the dice....

I'm still waiting for the question. All I see is what you claim you know.

Here's all the info that I have available about the GTC throw. My throw is generally the same as their hardway set and throw.

http://youtu.be/5MrqyVrQWck

What, exactly, is it that you don't understand? Maybe I can help. But it's also possible that I can't.

I want to make this point. Your statement, "I do know that the way you throw the dice, Aaron, is not the method taught by GTC" effectively is questioning the truthfulness of what I said. IE: you're calling me a liar with that statement.

Here's my response: "no you don't know."

Additionally, there are many things that you claim to know that you don't, in fact, know.

You really should be more concerned about your pattern of claiming you know things, when, in fact, you often don't know.

I take offense to many things that you say, and I really wish you that you hadn't made many of the comments that I have taken offense to, Alan.

I'm not sure you really care about that; but I want you to know that it irks me these types of things.

This interview shows you can be anything you want
on the internet. Today I'm a world famous chef.

Quote: EvenBob

This interview shows you can be anything you want
on the internet. Today I'm a world famous chef.

This interview also shows that some people aren't afraid of letting people know what they look like in real life or what they sound like in real life.

You are generally speaking more of yourself than of me. I am the same thing in real life as this interview portrays.

The person doing the interview suggested things that I clarified, including whether or not I play with an edge. It's an ongoing investigation. He interviews top poker players and he wants to sensationalize the ability to win all the time, but that's part of the show and I only have so much influence over what the guy says.

But if you want to say that there is anything in the interview that I misrepresent, it could also include how great this forum is. And the reason I say this is that when you consider comments from people like you and Alan. Some parts of this forum kinda suck. I think saying how great this forum is without taking into consideration you and Alan is probably just as much of a concern as saying that it's possible to play the game with an edge without having a formal proof for that already published.

Why don't you let me publish a photo of you and me at the meet-up later this month and let me interview you for the benefit of all the people who only know you from your posts online?

I think you're maybe projecting a little bit in saying that you can be whatever you want to be online, because if you published who you were with you tube and audio and all that stuff, I think it would help a lot of people temper the responses to the inflammatory and ignorant comments you make on here on a daily basis.

Quote: EvenBob

This interview shows you can be anything you want
on the internet. Today I'm a world famous chef.

Come on now that's unfair certainly I would think He is a very knowledgeable person on the game. I don't know what it would take to be an expert at craps? I do think if there is such a thing he would qualify.
He didn't seem to be over the top in anyway. It was as if he was just trying to explain what he himself was up to with craps. I think its good for craps overall.

Quote: AlanMendelson

Hi. I heard the first few minutes and I have a question for Aaron:

You said in the interview something like you throw the dice the same way as Dominator does. I have never seen how Dominator throws but I do know that the way you throw the dice, Aaron, is not the method taught by GTC.

Can someone else provide more info here, please? Perhaps Frank?

Thanks.

Who cares how anyone throws as long as they have an edge? Heck, If he tosses the dice from his ass yet can prove he can consistently avoid or hit more numbers then normal randomness. that's what is important.

Yeah, EB an AM. What are you gonna do?

Who expected those two to say "great job" like some of the other forum members did?

Anybody?

You have a short fuse Aaron and once again you blew up at me and for no reason. I simply wanted to see some videos of how dominator throws the dice. I have watched your TV show and I have watched your videos so I know what your throw looks like. Here again is what I posted:

Quote: AlanMendelson

Hi. I heard the first few minutes and I have a question for Aaron:

You said in the interview something like you throw the dice the same way as Dominator does. I have never seen how Dominator throws but I do know that the way you throw the dice, Aaron, is not the method taught by GTC.

Can someone else provide more info here, please? Perhaps Frank?

Thanks.

So, what I am looking for are some videos of how Dominator throws -- not sets the dice. I just want to see if you throw the dice the way he throws the dice. Do you throw the dice the same way? I am sure you set them. But setting isn't throwing.

Now, I watched the video on youtube that you put in your response but that video did not show any throws. Since you are the expert at all things craps I am sure you can find a video of Dominator throwing faster than I could. Do you mind helping me out here? I would like to see Dominator throwing the dice like you do... or you throwing the dice the way Dominator does.

Thanks.

PS And after this please block me again. If you stop reading my posts you'll stop your personal attacks and you won't be putting your foot in your mouth anymore.

EDITED TO ADD:

Well, it didn't take me long and I found part 3 of that series of videos, Aaron, and here is part 3 and please see how Dominator throws the dice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCtciQ3my7g

And let's compare Dominator's throws to your throws:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jej4WNRGyR8

So, do you really throw the dice like Domator throws the dice?

Congrats, Aaron, nice interview.

And, no, the haters on this forum will never say anything positive to you...

Let me add:

Attaboy Aaron. Great job.

Well i know something about Dom's throw. and Alan is correct, Ahigh's throw is not similar.

I cant imagine why you would go on a show and indicate your doing something like Dom
when your not , unless you want to be associated with Dom. NOw being able to throw
like Dom is surely a good thing, and i would imagine many students take the class
because of the show Breaking Vegas. we can all imagine ourselves stalking the casino's
late at night, looking for our next victim. Thats lore, actual dice control is hard work.


I know Dom, and i can tell you Dom would never sit there and throw dice hour after hour
with out knowing he was practicing it correctly, and as we all know Dom got some help
right away to get it right. Also Dom would never show anyone else how to do it unless
he was convinced they could get it right.

NO Dom is Dom and we all are some one else..... though if i may relate a personal story,
last year i was at Tribal casino for a poker tournament. After the tourney i went to the
table and first roll was a 41 or so and did very well. The stickman said you must be that
Dominator on Tv, i said "no, he is much older"

Dom heard about that and remined me i am the old one.

Dicesitter

Quote: Ahigh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bnmxHvXsto



http://highrollerradio.net/Aaron_Hightower.html

That was a great interview Ahigh!
You presented yourself well, and were spot on on the nuances of all the topics fired at you in real time, good on ya man.

It takes a lot of moxy to stand up to these detractors, I hate how a person can speak in accurate generalities "live" and then someone can go back
with a microscope and beat you to death with minutia. And use a straw man to do it.

Yep, I'll say Ahigh is a professional craps player. If he is not than who is? No one? Would anyone say Scarne was a professional? He was considered so by the U.S. government. Also casino's around the world. Scarne didn't even play the game. OK, before the retort, he played a tiny, tiny bit.

Some of you guys are hard to stomach, what is your contributuion? The stuff Ahigh is putting out is given free. Is that the problem?

His throw is "Like" gtc. On live radio he didn't say it was forensically identical. His comments were informational and given to an unknown audience, and may get more people interested in craps, which has got to be good for casino's, therefore adhearing to the mission statement of wov.

First of all, it should be known that bringing up Frank's name or Dom's name was not my idea nor was it known to me before the show started that this question would be asked.

This guy has interviewed Frank before, and while I haven't listened to the interview with Frank, when asked what it is that I am doing that is different from these guys I have two choices:

1) Claim that I am doing it differently and created my own new way of throwing the dice that is better than GTC
2) Respect Frank and Dom as the original guys who learned this stuff and that I am merely doing the same things that they have already learned to do indepedently

I chose 2.

Now you guys can say whatever you want about how what I am doing is like GTC or unlike GTC. But here are some facts and details about my throw:

1) I used the 6262 set from Spring 2010 until August 2012 -- this is a boxcar set with 3's on the left and 4's on the right
2) I used the ice-tong grip from Spring 2010 until November 2011
3) The only reason I switched from boxcar set to hardway set was the result of my own software, not GTC advice
4) I switched to the three-finger throw with backspin as a result of watching a video on you tube. This is the singular thing that I took advice from GTC as a result of watching those you tube videos.

There is no way for me to go into these details during a 30 minute show nor does anyone else care about the details in difference between my throw and a GTC throw that is part of the target audience for his show (which is mostly poker players, and not craps players). His show is made for a general audience, not for you guys who claim that my throw is not a GTC throw and that I have to take classes (as dicesitter recommends) in order to have a "correct" shot as he describes it.

All of this level of details and ANY criticism of my shot that it is not a GTC shot is completely outside the domain of the format of that 30 minute interview. Several minutes of the interview was answering questions about how a beginner could play the game by placing odds! This is not a show for discussing how my shot is different from GTC.

I have had a discussion with dicesitter on my forum and I would like to make the point publicly that I am doing things at my own pace and I am not anyone's student. But I do need to be honest about the METHOD that I throw the dice is based on the you tube videos that GTC put on you tube regarding the three finger on front, and a controlled backspin .. that is the only part of my throw that I consider to be like the GTC shot.

I want to further add in my opinion that this level of detail in discussion in comparing and/or contrasting what I am doing as it relates to GTC is exactly why I don't want to take a GTC class. The last thing that I want is for people to say that I am just following someone else's directions and don't really know what I am talking about. I have all the evidence to demonstrate exactly how I arrived at my set and using a GTC throw is generally the only thing that I have taken (three finger backspin throw) advice about how to do.

Or to say it another way, you should respect that I intended to demonstrate that the set didn't matter by using a boxcar set, but my computer basically told me that the hardway set that GTC recommends is the set that does in fact work for playing the game the way that GTC advises. I found this out using my software, not by blindly following the GTC advice. IE: I demonstrated independently that what they claim about using the hardway set to avoid sevens and hi-lo's works.

The way I was setting my dice, I could get hard 6's and hard 8's, but I had to throw the dice a little bit differently to accomplish that (non-orthogonal spin axis).

The other thing that I say on the show is that the GTC guys get into much more detail on how to throw the dice than I do.

The last thing I'm going to say here is that it makes me very VERY unhappy to read these negative comments that, in effect, are splitting hairs and criticizing what I am doing. I really wish that you guys weren't so desperate to focus on these aspects which, in my humble opinion, are tangential to the big picture stuff that I'm doing. My only point on the show about this topic is that I am not the master of knowing all the details of how to throw the dice. I am, however, an expert in craps in Las Vegas specifically far beyond even the Dominator when it comes to all the nitty gritty details about what is going on here in Las Vegas. That's because I play here every single day and I know these details better than a lot of folks about what is going on with each and every table in this city. There is more to the game than the GTC way, but those who only view things at GTC or "wrong" will never understand many of the details that I am an expert on.

In the mean time, I challenge the dicesitter, EvenBob, and Alan Mendelson to show me don't tell me when it comes to how you are SUPPOSED to be an expert on a topic and deal with questions like the one I was asked about Frank and Dom in a way that is correct and professional. I have absolutely no regret nor do I feel I misrepresented myself or my shot in any way shape or form with my answers. You guys who disagree just have your own perspective. That is all.

A High please run us through your betting strategy.

i hope you bet the iron cross, since the only way to beat the game is to avoid 7.

but please run us through a standard 15 roll bet, roll by roll.

thank you.

good interview by the way just got through

the part i dont understand is when you talk about dont bet the pass line after the comeout roll.

to my experience...and this is in washington state, im not sure how they do it in vegas but im sure its the same.

If i want to have the passline after the comeout i just put the bet on the line (half way between the odds and the passline bet -actually on the line itself) then if its a 4 or 10 ill still get paid 9/5 on my wager.

im not sure if your just mistaken or have never actually seen anyone do this, but what your talking about i have never even seen before and if i have the crew normally will move it for you or instruct you to move it.

maybe you have not seen this because you yourself have never made the bet or didnt know about the bet after the point. from someone who plays 3 hours a day...and LOL thats obviously a lie.


edit: forgot to add, when you talk about betting your odds. you gain zero edge vs the house by betting the odds. you essentially just get free odds or even money with the house. this in effect only makes swings bigger. (TRUTH)

Nezbit, the bet with the house edge of 33.3% is the put bet when the point is established on a four or a ten.

The bet you are describing is a place bet. An experienced gambler will always make a place bet instead of a put bet.

It sounds like you're experienced enough where to place the chip so that you get a place bet, just not realizing that it's not a passline bet anymore.

There are three bets around the pass line: the pass line bet, the odds bet, and the self-service place bet. The put bet is a passline bet that is made late.

If you want to understand why you shouldn't do it, try to make a don't pass line bet after the point is established on a four. See if the casino is willing to take that bet with you! Actually don't, because if you admit you knew you had a 33.3% player edge on this (referred to as past-posting a don't) when you took that bet, they could file criminal charges against you for intentionally attempting to defraud the casino.

But if the casino takes such a bet with a player, oh, well, that's alright! No law against that!

As far as my betting strategies these days that are working for me, I'm doing come bet every roll every bet working every roll and delivering an identical shot to deliver a better RSR ratio. In general, these are the strategies that the Wizard advocates and are very well covered in the FAQ's.

The IronCross is a 1.136% edge per roll.

Search for "Iron Cross" in this link to see the Wizard's coverage of this FAQ

https://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/betting-systems/

My edge per roll (with single odds) 0.251% or less depending on how much odds I take. In my book, that means I am jumping over hurdles that are just a little bit higher than 20% the height of the Iron Cross's hurdle.

I will be honest in telling you that if you have a smaller bankroll, and a REALLY good shot, you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps with an Iron Cross.

But just like making a $5 place bet on the four or ten with a 6.66% edge (1.66% edge per roll) it will get ya much quicker than the same bet for $25 with vig on the win at 0.33% per roll.

IE: you need a bankroll to get a lower edge per roll. The Iron Cross is a low-roller's strategy or a strategy for a shooter who thinks his shot is really good, yet doesn't have the money to prove it.

I also bet the hard 8 and parlay parlay parlay parlay. That's probably the most unique aspect to my approach, and the singular aspect that the Wizard does not approve of. Yet many visit I have had to the casino would have been a push if not for a parlay hit on a hard 8.

I may make an analysis of required bankroll depending on the RSR that you have. In general, there is a counter-intuitive aspect to controlled shooting where the less that you bet, the better your shot needs to be in order to prevent from certain failure.

More money makes things easier!

yes i understand that if you bet $5 with no odds your return is less than if you did a $5 wager with 100x odds.



my normal betting strategy is as follows, sounds like yours

pass line
come - no odds on pass yet (covers my ass if i 7 out next roll)
come - no odds on pass or come yet (lose only 1 bet if 7 out 3rd roll)
come - odds on everything i can

then continue to bet come with odds until i bust, then repeat.

The thing that is hard about this strategy is you never really make that much money. craps is a fast game and you should be stacking chips fast and furious, if the roller is hot you press and press and press til you have everythning out there, then the crew just hands you stack of chips.

my strategy seems slow and drawn out. i mean if i want slow and drawn out ill go play poker for 10 hours straight. when i gamble i like to have fun and just go crazy.

when i win big its because i have tons of place bets and press the shit out of them, nothing better than seeing 10x what you bought in for on spread out on numbers.

Sure i have won lots of times from my normally strategy, but i dont play to win money, i play for fun, for the thrill of the chance to win big.

i stick to poker if i want to grind out money.




but let me get this staight you dont do the iron cross because you feel you get better percentage by placing odds?

i can assure you this much, if you can avoid the 7 then the iron cross edge is much better than 1.136% edge per roll, im guessing its flipped in your favor. since you roll 3 hours a day, i want you to try it out. i have posted many times before on how i do it and even broke down the math, im not sure where the post is or what the name of it is, but im sure you can find it.

its the 205 (what i call it)

Quote: Ahigh

Alan is probably just as much of a concern as saying that it's possible to play the game with an edge without having a formal proof for that already published.

Where has the "formal proof" "already published"?

Quote: Ahigh

The last thing I'm going to say here is that it makes me very VERY unhappy to read these negative comments that, in effect, are splitting hairs and criticizing what I am doing. I really wish that you guys weren't so desperate to focus on these aspects which, in my humble opinion, are tangential to the big picture stuff that I'm doing.

You blow hot and cold to such a degree that I sometimes think people post simply trying to troll a response from you, to find amusement in your reaction.

Sure, you live in Las Vegas, you have a craps table in your kitchen, you shoot craps near daily it seems ... and yet, you have not conclusively demonstrated that you have any more skill or ability to control or influence the dice than I do, and I am a random roller and proud of it.

FWIW I've nothing to teach you or anyone else about how to play the game of craps.

It is a negative expectation game, for entertainment purposes only.

Quote: SanchoPanza

Where has the "formal proof" "already published"?

There is none, just like there are trolls on this forum. Both of which were not discussed on the interview and neither was really relevant to the interview IMO.

the best bets if you are a new player ( or any other player) is the pass line bet with what ever odds you can afford. That limits the
money to loss. In addition you can place the 6 & 8 which also has a very low house advantage.

If you have a small bank roll can you place the $5 pass line bet and if the number if a 9 for instance, place the
6 & 8 and dont place any odds on the 9.

It does not make any sense to play the iron cross betting system because we know when you do that the house
has a 1.52 edge of on the 6 & 8, a 4% edge on the 5 and and a 5.56% edge on the field ( 2x12) . Using Smart Craps
and script betting, the Iron Cross betting scheme can be modeled. After 10 millions execution rounds, the empirical edge is -3.831340%,

The pass line and place the 6 & 8 have a range of house edges from 1.41%- $1.52, why expose your funds to the iron
cross which gives you well over twice expected loss.

This is assuming a 100% random game of craps.

bet smart and live to fight another day

Dicesitter

Quote: MrV

and yet, you have not conclusively demonstrated that you have any more skill or ability to control or influence the dice than I do

I would also like to point out that you have not conclusively demonstrated that I do not. I almost forgot about your comments when thinking of the list of critics.

Much of what I talked about on the show was the critics.

And yeah, you're one of them.

Bottom line is (wait for it)

I don't have to!

Carry on!

Quote: Ahigh

Bottom line is (wait for it)...I don't have to!

You do only if you wish to be deemed relevant and a person with something of value to impart to others about craps.

Aaron, if you lack the ability to make those dice dance, to control them, get back in line with the rest of the mere mortals and then STFU already.

So far you have shown you have no more ability to control the dice than I do.

Your apparent claim to fame is dice setting, but lo and behold, you ain't got it!

Which of course comes as no surprise whatsoever.

Aaron think of the criticism and challenges this way: it's people just trying to keep you honest.

Quote: MrV

but lo and behold, you ain't got it!

That's an unsubstantiated claim. If I have it or not, I don't have to prove that I have it; and that's my whole point.

You know nothing relating to asserting what I don't have in terms of a controlled shot, and the best you can do is make unsubstantiated accusations.

Why have the personal profanity laced attacks on this board not gotten someone banned already???? I love coming here and love the info shared on this board I could do without the personal attack and profanity being posted.

Quote: Ahigh

That's an unsubstantiated claim. If I have it or not, I don't have to prove that I have it; and that's my whole point.

You know nothing relating to asserting what I don't have in terms of a controlled shot, and the best you can do is make unsubstantiated accusations.

I have (painfully, alas) watched your vids, at least parts of them, and saw nothing that would indicate you have a controlled shot.

You are implying then that you deliberately hid your "controlled shot" when making the videos, is that it?

Do you IN FACT have the ability to regularly perform a "controlled shot," thus achieving the holy grail, i.e. true AP?

Quote: Mikey75

Why have the personal profanity laced attacks on this board not gotten someone banned already???? I love coming here and love the info shared on this board I could do without the personal attack and profanity being posted.

Let's make a list:

MrV
AlanMendelson
EvenBob
Zcore

How's that for a short answer? At least on the topics I participate in. They claim it's a discussion, but often from my perspective, it's more like an attack. Everyone in that list is, from my view, guilty of making false claims in the process of trying to dilute or discredit what I am sharing. How else could it be perceived when false statements are made to counter what I am offering in terms of information and research related to the game of craps. I'm not selling anything and I have no financial incentive to misrepresent what I am doing, yet these people continue to jump all over me. I'm sure there's a few more I'm leaving out, but that's my short answer for your question, Mikey. It's really just a couple of people...

Quote: MrV

I have (painfully, alas) watched your vids, at least parts of them, and saw nothing that would indicate you have a controlled shot.

You are implying then that you deliberately hid your "controlled shot" when making the videos, is that it?

Either you "got it," or you don't.

Aaron, do you IN FACT have the ability to regularly demonstrate a "controlled shot?"

No, you don't.

Game over.

Entirely your view on things. Your statement "no you don't" is relevant to right now today in a casino of my choosing, I assume. And you just don't know!

If you're just as good with your random shot against my controlled shot, make a bet and try to take my money! All you're talking about is just straight flimsy worthless jibber-jabber.

Go to the casino of my choosing of both place and time and bet the don'ts on my rolls and make your point that way.

My favorite way would be to go and play crapless with me and you could lay the 2 or lay the 12 while I'm shooting. Let me put the 2 or the 12 on top of my set and turn your bet into a donation to the Stratosphere. I'll pay the $1 vig for each $150 bet you take I can't make it as long as you want. That would be a statement worthy of consideration about how confident you are that I can't deliver a controlled shot.

I get 1 in 28.5 instead of 1 in 36 for my 3398 rolls from whatever is on the top of my set.

Let me know when you're ready and I will make those bets free for you so you can make money on my (what you KNOW is a) random shot $25 at a time every time I roll a seven for FREE!!!

OK then Aaron, you can just SHOW ME how great and powerful of a crap shooter you are at the table at CR after lunch at the Sweet Factory.

No BS, just you, the dice, and the craps table.

Show me your controlled shot, repeatedly, and I'll take it all back.

Demonstrate that YOU are indeed the annointed one ...

Oh, I won't bet you: no point.

The question is only whether YOU are in fact a controlled shooter.

I am just a random roller.

Quote: MrV

OK then Aaron, you can just SHOW ME how great and powerful of a crap shooter you are at the table at CR after lunch at the Sweet Factory.

No BS, just you, the dice, and the craps table.

Show me your controlled shot, repeatedly, and I'll take it all back.

Demonstrate that YOU are indeed the annointed one ...

Oh, I won't bet you: no point.

The question is only whether YOU are in fact a controlled shooter.

I am just a random roller.

If you want to meet up and watch me shoot, that's fine. But I would much rather you lay whatever odds I decide to take to make your point.

I'm not going to make a point by winning money for you. Sorry about that, but nope.

Also, I choose the casino, not you. I don't claim to have an advantage shot at every table I go to!!

Aaron you simply have to show us a controlled shot on your TV show or on a video. You have the camera equipment. Just show it to us.

You believe that what you do is "controlled" because it shows a desired outcome. I have criticized you because I believe that a controlled shot is not based only on the outcome because even random shooters get desired outcomes.

If your throw is indeed controlled, show us the slow motion videos of the control. If you have control you should be able to show us the same pattern with your dice throw.

I've suggested to you that a controlled throw has certain elements which were defined by Sharpshooter in his book. And thanks to your "find" on YouTube I saw that Frank Scoblete and Dominator actually do the same thing that Sharpshooter wrote about. In fact, in the commentary in part 3 Frank mentions point by point what Sharpshooter wrote about.

A few minutes ago, Frank and I had a phone conversation. I am not going to go into the details of what we talked about except to say this: to have a controlled shot certain things have to happen with the dice. Unfortunately Aaron, what happens with your dice don't fit those criteria.

But if by some chance you have stumbled upon some sort of new "controlled shot" then please use your valuable equipment to show this control to us.

By the way, your previous videos did not show anything that appears to be "controlled."

This is not a personal attack Aaron. This is just asking you to demonstrate what skill you claim to have.

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

This is turning into anothe DI discussion. I suggest it be stopped!

I'm going to agree, though I hesitate to lock this thread. I'm going to suggest that we take the general dice influence conversation to one of the already established and active threads for that topic, and let's try to use the topic specifically for comments/questions related to AHigh's interview without any of the argumentative stuff.

I'm somewhat tempted to move those dice influence threads to the Religion section of the Forum, I've seen less heated discussions between Atheists and devout Baptists!

Quote: Mission146

I've seen less heated discussions between Atheists and devout Baptists!

That has to be the quote of the day!!!!

Thank you so much moderator.

It would be very unfortunate if the discussion were cut off or restricted, because that would in effect be giving a free pass to a viewpoint that is being challenged as being incorrect.

A better solution might be if the Wizard himself commented on the discussion. Many of us respect him for his knowledge not only about math but also about gaming in general. He has been absent from much of the debate.

Certainly his comments might put to rest some of the lingering debate here.

I also have another suggestion in case the Wizard doesn't want to participate. For more than 40 years my career was that of a journalist and several times I faced the possibility of going to jail to defend the principles of a free press and the right of free speech. I will defend those rights today as well. If this forum doesn't want to allow a free and open discussion about any particular subject then I welcome the discussion at my forum. My only restriction is that libelous comments will not be permitted (which might include allegations that casinos use unfair dice unless there is absolute proof that will stand up in court).

Another suggestion might be that those who are bothered by the discussion should simply refrain from looking at the threads. I am sure there are plenty of other subjects here that they can immerse themselves in.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I also have another suggestion in case the Wizard doesn't want to participate. For more than 40 years my career was that of a journalist and several times I faced the possibility of going to jail to defend the principles of a free press and the right of free speech. I will defend those rights today as well. If this forum doesn't want to allow a free and open discussion about any particular subject then I welcome the discussion at my forum. My only restriction is that libelous comments will not be permitted (which might include allegations that casinos use unfair dice unless there is absolute proof that will stand up in court).

Another suggestion might be that those who are bothered by the discussion should simply refrain from looking at the threads. I am sure there are plenty of other subjects here that they can immerse themselves in.

You can certainly appeal my decision with respect to this thread to The Wizard, but keep in mind that I am not seeking to eliminate threads about dice control or in anyway restrict the discussion on dice control. I'm just trying to prevent WizardofVegas.com from becoming WizardofDiceControl.com by way of having a bunch of threads all flooding the recent posts involving materially the same subject.

The other thing is that this thread is about Aaron's interview with a respected and well-known source of information and interviews. I think that's pretty cool, regardless of whether or not one believes in the validity of dice control, and so this thread is to talk about that. Taking over this thread with the pure Dice Influence argument is akin to having a BJ counting thread with knowledgeable and topical posts by Teliot and KewlJ immediately being followed up with discussion about Ahigh's Craps interview and then the thread turns into that.

In any event, I've never said anything about restricting discussion about the topic, nor has The Wizard, and it is welcome here...we just don't want it to be the purveying topic of every single thread about Craps or the message board as a whole.

Quote: Mission146

The other thing is that this thread is about Aaron's interview with a respected and well-known source of information and interviews. I think that's pretty cool, regardless of whether or not one believes in the validity of dice control

I concur.