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Ayecarumba
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April 2nd, 2013 at 12:14:24 PM permalink
A question for Frank... Is it worthwhile to seek out "Biased Dice" (die that, for a variety of reasons, are not true balanced cubes), to increase the player's chance for success at the Craps table? If so, how does one identify them, and take advantage?
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April 2nd, 2013 at 12:50:04 PM permalink
Really?
FrankScoblete
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April 2nd, 2013 at 1:39:26 PM permalink
Biased dice? I really don't think those exist in the Vegas casinos or AC or any major casino. It is possible that dice wear out somewhat differently but these would be miniscule changes and probably not affect the game. Casinos do change their dice every so-many hours. I just don't see purposely putting in biased dice. Also, if I were a shady kind of employee I'd tell my relatives how those dice behaved and cost the casino a load of money.

In craps, the casino has a rather large edge over most of the players. Just look at the bets people make. You don't need biased dice when you have biased payouts.
Ayecarumba
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April 2nd, 2013 at 3:02:23 PM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

Biased dice? I really don't think those exist in the Vegas casinos or AC or any major casino. It is possible that dice wear out somewhat differently but these would be miniscule changes and probably not affect the game. Casinos do change their dice every so-many hours. I just don't see purposely putting in biased dice. Also, if I were a shady kind of employee I'd tell my relatives how those dice behaved and cost the casino a load of money.

In craps, the casino has a rather large edge over most of the players. Just look at the bets people make. You don't need biased dice when you have biased payouts.


Thank you for the response Frank. I appreciate your participation.
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AlanMendelson
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April 2nd, 2013 at 4:05:59 PM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

Biased dice? I really don't think those exist in the Vegas casinos or AC or any major casino. It is possible that dice wear out somewhat differently but these would be miniscule changes and probably not affect the game. Casinos do change their dice every so-many hours. I just don't see purposely putting in biased dice. Also, if I were a shady kind of employee I'd tell my relatives how those dice behaved and cost the casino a load of money.

In craps, the casino has a rather large edge over most of the players. Just look at the bets people make. You don't need biased dice when you have biased payouts.



I also want to thank you for the response Frank. It's good to see some rational thought for a change.
EvenBob
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April 2nd, 2013 at 4:14:10 PM permalink
Quote: FrankScoblete

Biased dice? I really don't think those exist in the Vegas casinos or AC or any major casino.



Thank god, the voice of reason and experience. We've
had a raging battle here over biased dice lately. Harley
the Masked Man was a huge proponent of it and he got
himself banned. Where were you a couple weeks ago
when we needed you, Frank..
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treetopbuddy
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April 2nd, 2013 at 4:20:43 PM permalink
all dice are biased....the frickin' 7 always shows at the exact wrong time, all the time, and on time.
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April 2nd, 2013 at 5:22:27 PM permalink
So we're approved to refer to circle jerking in the forum are we?

Let me remind everyone that I was saying the same thing about biased dice before that you guys are saying now.

I love you answer, but at the same time rational and convenient are totally opposing views. I think you guys are siding with convenient.

0.00% on the math means there is an edge, it's just defined by the long term characteristics of how the dice are manufactured.

They are not symmetrical.

Therefore there is bias.

It's a very simple straightforward point that you simply cannot ignore.

You can marginalize it and say it's not important.

But you can't wish it away as a matter of convenience.

But absolutely, let's not talk about it; just realize that hoping the bias doesn't exist isn't enough.

It's there. You just don't want to think about it because of the cognitive dissonance.

Fine. Just don't pretend you know more about it or Frank is an authority so his answer is more correct.

Sorry to inform you, Harley is the king of knowledge here; mask or not; banned or not; he owns all of you when it comes to knowing the dice.

The end.
EvenBob
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April 2nd, 2013 at 5:36:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh


Fine. Just don't pretend you know more about it or Frank is an authority so his answer is more correct...Harley is the king of knowledge here; mask or not; banned or not; he owns all of you when it comes to knowing the dice.
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Frank is certainly more of an expert than you. And Harley
is a legend in his own mind, mask and all. For the King
of Knowledge he sure didn't last long here. Not very
smart for the King..
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:36:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Frank is certainly more of an expert than you. And Harley
is a legend in his own mind, mask and all. For the King
of Knowledge he sure didn't last long here. Not very
smart for the King..



Not on balanced or percentage dice. Look I don't care to talk about it either, but Frank can speak for himself if he is more knowledgeable on the subject. He gave an opinion with no data at all to back it up. He doesn't know more about it. Puhlease...

Why you guys are still bringing the subject up is the real question.

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