The Bill Belichick Spygate of Craps
March 17th, 2013 at 7:36:58 PM
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Super Rick posted a YouTube video of Casino execs listening to a short (very short) segment on Dice influence.... I have seen so many DIs use this same throw and tactics that he spoke on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me5vgKkFUXA
So my question is how do you walk into a casino, and believe you are going to beat them with a strategy and dogma they they have pretty much written the book on???
I believe the phrase he used to sum up his thoughts on DI were "Don't worry abou it"
What do you think???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me5vgKkFUXA
So my question is how do you walk into a casino, and believe you are going to beat them with a strategy and dogma they they have pretty much written the book on???
I believe the phrase he used to sum up his thoughts on DI were "Don't worry abou it"
What do you think???
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
pain and Gain
March 17th, 2013 at 8:26:49 PM
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this about says it all:
March 18th, 2013 at 1:37:26 AM
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I'm so glad this video was posted up because this guy has done way more research than I have done on this subject!
You're right. He has it all figured out. I was using sets on the comeout thinking it made sense, but he explained that it doesn't make sense.
Also, the word "glance" off the back wall. All this time I've been "bouncing."
It seems so obvious once he says it, but now I understand!
When he explains it though, it's really obvious how there are maybe three guys who can do it and nothing to worry about.
And since I'm not one of those three guys, I can quit trying.
Yay!
I wish I had listened earlier that this is impossible because I have been trying and trying when this smart guy already figured it all out!
You're right. He has it all figured out. I was using sets on the comeout thinking it made sense, but he explained that it doesn't make sense.
Also, the word "glance" off the back wall. All this time I've been "bouncing."
It seems so obvious once he says it, but now I understand!
When he explains it though, it's really obvious how there are maybe three guys who can do it and nothing to worry about.
And since I'm not one of those three guys, I can quit trying.
Yay!
I wish I had listened earlier that this is impossible because I have been trying and trying when this smart guy already figured it all out!
aahigh.com
March 18th, 2013 at 2:13:07 AM
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The presenter is right... there are maybe three or four players in the world who can do it. I don't know of any who can do it consistently, though I have played with two people who have exhibited more control than anyone else -- the surgeon from Washington State and the mysterious player at Caesars who was there one time and I never saw him again.
So the casinos have nothing to fear... until dice control/influencing becomes a wide spread problem.
No surprise here. And since dice influencing and attempts at control according to the NGC are "an expected part of the game" go ahead and continue to try.
So the casinos have nothing to fear... until dice control/influencing becomes a wide spread problem.
No surprise here. And since dice influencing and attempts at control according to the NGC are "an expected part of the game" go ahead and continue to try.
March 18th, 2013 at 6:16:39 AM
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I agree with that. I think there are most people who read about dice control in a book or online who think they can do it far outnumber those who actually can. What it ultimately comes down to is that the hours you must put in to get that 1.6% edge could probably be better spent at a $50,000 an year job.
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
March 18th, 2013 at 6:17:34 AM
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Oh man, I want a $50,000 an hour job so bad.
March 18th, 2013 at 6:28:45 AM
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Fixed
A flute with no holes is not a flute, a donut with no holes is a danish
March 18th, 2013 at 7:30:57 AM
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In the video he says maybe there are 3, and he says maybe
more than once. Implying there moybe none. I'm going with
none.
more than once. Implying there moybe none. I'm going with
none.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 18th, 2013 at 11:19:51 AM
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No I'm 100% sure there are none.
Case closed.
Case closed.
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March 18th, 2013 at 12:55:28 PM
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Quote: AhighNo I'm 100% sure there are none.
Case closed.
He said sarcastically, hoping against hope there are
really more than 3..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 18th, 2013 at 1:10:15 PM
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Quote: AhighNo I'm 100% sure there are none.
Case closed.
I'm not, but it sounds like you're 100% sure you're not one of them, however many there are. The question for you is whether you want to spend the time to try to become one, especially given that the ROI of your time is much, much higher at the sort of job for which you're qualified.
Moreover, suppose you could achieve a consistent 1% edge over the house when you shoot. What kind of time commitment would it require to replace your current job (and benefits) with playing craps for a living? If you could, would you?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
March 18th, 2013 at 1:13:44 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistWhat kind of time commitment would it require to replace your current job (and benefits) with playing craps for a living? If you could, would you?
Even if he could do it (he can't) he couldn't make any
money in Vegas. He's too well known and by the time
he got good enough, he would have explained what
he was doing to every pit crew in the city and that as
they say, would be that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 18th, 2013 at 1:19:31 PM
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No, I'm 100% sure now that it's not possible.
aahigh.com
March 18th, 2013 at 1:43:18 PM
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Quote: MathExtremistMoreover, suppose you could achieve a consistent 1% edge over the house when you shoot. What kind of time commitment would it require to replace your current job (and benefits) with playing craps for a living? If you could, would you?
I have stated multiple times that even if I proved it were possible and I could do it, it's boring and uninteresting to me.
I prefer just to gamble for entertainment purposes only.
I do enjoy making large bets, and I enjoy doing that on other players as much as on myself, and always have.
I am 100% sure that nobody can do it, though. Not just me. It's all just a fantasy. I've learned enough at this point to reach that conclusion, and if it were possible to do, I would know by now. But it's not.
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March 18th, 2013 at 1:55:50 PM
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Quote: Ahigh
I am 100% sure that nobody can do it, though. Not just me. It's all just a fantasy. I've learned enough at this point to reach that conclusion, and if it were possible to do, I would know by now. But it's not.
And just 24 hours ago you said:
"More than HALF of my rolls are more than likely 100% random in what I expect from them. When I fail to accomplish my goals in my shot, that is what I consider a random roll. I fail a lot. *I* would be happy to have a two digit percentage of my rolls not be 100% random."
And today you're 100% sure its a fantasy. Why oh why
do I doubt what you're saying today is the way you
really feel..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 18th, 2013 at 2:02:49 PM
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He thinks he's Thorping up the whole thing.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
March 18th, 2013 at 2:13:05 PM
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Yeah. That's just how it is.
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March 18th, 2013 at 3:05:56 PM
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Quote: thecesspitHe thinks he's Thorping up the whole thing.
He says he's been playing craps for hours almost
every day for 3 years and he decides overnight
its all been just a fantasy, he can't beat it?
Whatever. My dog just decided today he doesn't
like raw steak anymore. I can't figure it out..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
March 18th, 2013 at 3:49:09 PM
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Glad to see the replies.....
This just another perspective...
I just feel everyone should look behind the curtain every now and then... They walk the floors of their casinos, and they've seen guys have rolls that dump their tables.... So they want to know if it's true too...
He didn't say it doesn't exist....
But he's not worried either...
Everyone who practices the DI phenomenon has adopted a throw or roll that is consistent with about 3-4 of the "best shooters" in the country... They see your "grip" while your shooting from your "strategic" position... And they see your betting scheme..... And they are ready to kick you out... And once you are truly on the radar, there's no coming off..
Does anyone know the real reason why most experts want people to practice from the postions next to the stickman????
This just another perspective...
I just feel everyone should look behind the curtain every now and then... They walk the floors of their casinos, and they've seen guys have rolls that dump their tables.... So they want to know if it's true too...
He didn't say it doesn't exist....
But he's not worried either...
Everyone who practices the DI phenomenon has adopted a throw or roll that is consistent with about 3-4 of the "best shooters" in the country... They see your "grip" while your shooting from your "strategic" position... And they see your betting scheme..... And they are ready to kick you out... And once you are truly on the radar, there's no coming off..
Does anyone know the real reason why most experts want people to practice from the postions next to the stickman????
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
pain and Gain
March 18th, 2013 at 7:11:15 PM
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Quote: TheWolf713
Does anyone know the real reason why most experts want people to practice from the postions next to the stickman????
If this is a serious question the serious answer is the shortest distance affords the shooter the smallest window for error. the longer the distance you must cover the more the errors of your throw will be magnified.
Drop a pair of dice from half an inch and see if the "set" holds?
Drop a pair from six inches and what happens?
Drop from six feet up and see what happens?
Whenever I see a self-proclaimed DI shooting from the far end of a table I immediately accept that he is not serious following the DI strategy. That of course doen't mean he isn't going to have the roll of a lifetime, but it does mean he is just not a true student of DI.
March 18th, 2013 at 7:38:23 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIf this is a serious question the serious answer is the shortest distance affords the shooter the smallest window for error. the longer the distance you must cover the more the errors of your throw will be magnified.
Drop a pair of dice from half an inch and see if the "set" holds?
Drop a pair from six inches and what happens?
Drop from six feet up and see what happens?
Whenever I see a self-proclaimed DI shooting from the far end of a table I immediately accept that he is not serious following the DI strategy. That of course doen't mean he isn't going to have the roll of a lifetime, but it does mean he is just not a true student of DI.
So someone who believes in DI, does not believe another DI about his shooting ability from a certain spot on the table... You have to admit it sounds funny..
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
pain and Gain
March 18th, 2013 at 7:40:13 PM
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Im not saying it isn't possible from a spot further out on the table, but the "principles" of DI say to have a controlled throw from the shortest possible distance. Of course you can make up your own rules as you go along. LOL
March 18th, 2013 at 7:48:33 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonIm not saying it isn't possible from a spot further out on the table, but the "principles" of DI say to have a controlled throw from the shortest possible distance. Of course you can make up your own rules as you go along. LOL
Lol I understand...
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
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