NEED Craps Stick Calls - - - - New Dealer

Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: Sabretom2

Anying [sic: "anyone"] finding a stick call offensive has no business at a craps table.

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Clean work at a table, - especially at a busy crap table with money on the line - means a lot...No reason to be called out-of-bounds on a money game should happen because of shit-talking by the stickman.

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Quote: FleaStiff

Its a politically correct world for the casino execs and for the craps crew.

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Totally agree with you guys. And even if a player is in fact overly sensitive, what are dealers supposed to do? Turn the person (and their potential tips) away and say, "Excuse me, sir/ma'am, but anyone finding a stick call offensive has no business at a craps table?!?" That would be insane, and the suits wouldn't like it either.

Quote: jkluv7

And call them loud so both sides of the table can hear the call.

Right on! Many times I have to ask another player or my dealer when I'm at the far end what the number was. My casino has a lot of background noise & talk between players/dealers, etc., makes it difficult to hear a number.

I understand the stick has to keep the game moving, but sometimes it moves too fast. I bet PL & Come w/ odds & after a Come-Out, I take odds: give the dealer the $ for Come odds, put down another Come bet, & put odds on my PL. Sometimes, I barely get my arm back & the dice shoot by. One time, the dice did hit my hand. Sometimes the stick has no problem before putting out the dice conversing with a player he/she knows while the rest of us wait. I'm going to speak up next time.

This is yet another reason why anything new and fancy (and provocative) should be avoided in the stick calls.

The stick is controlling the game and that means exerting an effect on the speed and also the attitude of the entire crew. If a player is drunk he can get mad over a five dollar error and its best to just have a nice clean game. If the table gets jammed up the stick has to keep the pace as fast as his base dealers can handle but not much faster. There may always be mistakes and misunderstandings and minorities and misheard or misinterpreted comments...keep them from turning into memos and meetings by staying professional.

Players should focus on the stick calls too, not just the base dealers. Whats happening and in what order it is happening can become very important as player's alcohol levels increase and patience might otherwise wane. Turning the night into a walk on the bawdy side of the street is all fine and dandy when there are no misunderstandings about it, but there are always troubles lurking... so just stay alert to the call and keep the calls straight, simple and clean.

Quote: Sonny44

I understand the stick has to keep the game moving, but sometimes it moves too fast.

When I find the stick man is getting pressure from the box to speed the game up, and I got bets to make, I put my whole body in the layout and clearly tell the stick I'm not done with my bets. Also, the shooter sees me in the table and will hold up his throw until I have cleared the area. I'm not slowing the game up, but if I got a few bets to make and can't get them down in time, I will make sure I can get them down in a timely fashion to keep the flow going.
Jeffrey

It's ironic that the OP of this thread hasn't even bothered to check back in. LOL

I think it's safe to say that " by the book" stick calls are the safest... not always the most unique and fun, but the safest. Just recently a friend of mine on Graveyard almost got fired for saying "coming out, just like Jason Collins." This dealer is the craps comedian and everyone knows this... Graves is way more relaxed than Days or Swing. However, the two ladies on a nearby blackjack table didn't think it was funny and filled out a complaint. Like I said, he is a friend of mine and has nothing against gays personally... just trying to incorporate current events into the stick calls as he often does. I usually let a lot of borderline stick calls go if I’m sitting on the "can" on Graves as long as no one seems offended and everyone seems to be having a good time. But if anyone seems offended then I'll make my crew stick to the basic calls. I personally see nothing wrong with adding fun to the game as long as everyone at the table is having fun and no one seems offended.

tuesday somebody farted right near stick and it really was bad.....the next toss was a seven out and i called six and one, clean your bum. We are a no sweat, weak box kind of place so we get away with a lot.

Quote: Bond007

two ladies on a nearby blackjack table didn't think it was funny and filled out a complaint

one of the most regrettable things about the nature of women is this tendency of *some* to flex their muscles in this particular "power trip". I don't deem it a lack of a sense of humor [in this case] but a sense of empowerment they get from pulling the trigger. They have a much more formidable arsenal than men in the category and they know it.

I've had women try to get me fired for the mildest unintended offense ...

Quote: odiousgambit

one of the most regrettable things about the nature of women is this tendency of *some* to flex their muscles in this particular "power trip". I don't deem it a lack of a sense of humor [in this case] but a sense of empowerment they get from pulling the trigger. They have a much more formidable arsenal than men in the category and they know it.

I've had women try to get me fired for the mildest unintended offense ...

I know what you mean, but I would say "people," some of whom have had a bad day, or just seek a righteous sense of indignation, want an excuse to exhibit "indignant outrage" in the casino pit over an absolutely nothing event, -- manufacturing some offense just to inflate their own sense of importance.
In dealing with the general public, or even with members of the gaming industry, many people simply come in with issues, and some are, to some degree, hostile, self-important, and even a tad paranoid, and make federal cases.

When I was a dealer, one woman who was deaf, and clearly a proud gay woman (farmer overalls, boots, buzz-cut, 4" diameter pride button, etc.), was playing dice throwing over to the other end of a table where it has hard for her to see. We had to stop the game each roll so her friend/interpreter made sure she was signed the dice roll, in order to continue.
She and her interpreter later lodged a complaint that "dyke jokes" were being told by the crew which she couldn't hear, and that she was outraged, and wanted write ups for the dealers and an apology. Nothing but by-the-book calls were made, and no jokes were made - there was no interest in the player aside from the extra work.
I think her interpreter friend want to show her "she was standing up for her," and that "she was on top of it and won't let a thing happen to her deaf friend when out on the town" who was in her charge, so a drama was manufactuered - and when nothing happened.
She was told the game was monitored by supervision, and nothing malicious went on. Nothing was done because....nothing happened, aside from misperceptions and "scenario manufacturing."
I've seen manufactured scenarios that were based on things that were either not present, or present in benign, irrelevant, and honest mistakes way that were turned in to federal cases in the casino pits - and on occasion even among executives in this business.

Quote: odiousgambit

one of the most regrettable things about the nature of women is this tendency of *some* to flex their muscles in this particular "power trip". I don't deem it a lack of a sense of humor [in this case] but a sense of empowerment they get from pulling the trigger. They have a much more formidable arsenal than men in the category and they know it.
I've had women try to get me fired for the mildest unintended offense ...

I will mention that it is not a 100% gender thing. I've seen males with power trip issues trip out and make federal cases over nothing.

Quote: Paigowdan

I will mention that it is not a 100% gender thing

I won't disagree, but I'd say the most uncalled-for and unreasonable stuff I've run into was. Some of the males with the problem seemed to know their feminine side pretty well too ...

@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.

Quote: petroglyph

@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.

I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.

I fully agree with Barbara: people tend to view the world in terms of their own identity when we're all just people. Me thinks the male of the species can be ruthless bastards, depending on the individual.
And most people have a "strong sense of the self" or a "strong concept of the self," where many innocent dealer mistakes or misinterpreted comments go to the pit boss with indignant outrage and umbrage when not a thing actually went on. Just People validating themselves at others' expense.

I tell you, working as a dealer IS a demanding job; it can be VERY hard to keep people happy and entertained while they are their sweating their own money with booze in their system - and anything unhappy is ALL the dealer's fault to be reported to management.

Thanks!

Quote: beachbumbabs

I notice it more in men

I expected a woman to actually agree that women are worse, so maybe it is a factor of the opposite sex having the greater power to twist the knife ... causing a misperception.

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Quote: petroglyph

@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.

I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.

Is it possible that this opinion is heavily influenced by your professional dealings with pilots? Is it maybe a harbored resentment of authority?

Like Dan said people are just people, and also yep some men are ruthless bastards at times.

Wow...didn't think everything had to be so serious on a craps table. It usually isn't on mine.

Yes, get comfortable with it, and then go with the crazy stick calls later. Usually, people won't be as offended as you think, as long as it's not too off-color. I usually go through the complete call and then may crack a joke at the end.

Probably the most borderline stick call I've ever heard is for the hard 6: "Colombian breakfast, two white lines." Also called the "Charlie Sheen breakfast."

Others I hear:
Five, rolled 3-2: "Waitress, a tray and a pair."
Easy 4: "Mormon marriage, 3 on 1."
One less off-color one I invented that some people seemed to like is for 12: "The Congress roll; it's full of crap."

At my table, though, we tend to use some internal slang for groups of bets.
Hard 6, 8, 10 is the Brazilian (no fur/4.)
Hard 4, 8, 10: the champagne room. (Think about it.)
We had a dealer from the hills of West Virginia who called the 2 "possum eyes," and it caught on.
The 3 craps is the "Australian yo."

As for the gender differences...let's just say that some of the women who deal at my casino are filthier than any man. Some, that is.

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@ Paigowdan

Excellent post,

I'll have to borrow your phrase "scenario manufacturing"

I agree it's both [or all 3-4] genders on the ego trip or whatever phrase applies.

Just guessing without backup data but I've had more problems with women, maybe it's me? I remember growing up thinking that the females were the kinder gentler nurturer of the species, now not so much.

Had 3 of them get together and complain to management that I smelled like liquor.

Hadn't had a drink in over 6 months.

We have a couple friends that are dykes. They are really sensitive about it so we don't tease them.

I think a lot of the pc war is phony to the Nth degree and a bunch of angry insecure so called minority's getting even for what, I don't know. Personally I think they are doing a dis-service to any group they pretend to represent.

I also liked PGD's post very much. I don't find it to be gender-specific, but I notice it more in men. So, maybe some component of it is the presence of the opposite sex in causing people to over-react. An attention device, perhaps.

Is it possible that this opinion is heavily influenced by your professional dealings with pilots? Is it maybe a harbored resentment of authority?

Like Dan said people are just people, and also yep some men are ruthless bastards at times.

Again in my opinion, no. I do notice women who do this; I see it more often in men, specifically referring to casino play.

I was very bad about political correctness issues; I preferred funny to PC, so I have a different outlook on minor irritations than most. I got disciplined, at various times, for:

We had a checklist we were required to brief item by item. Most of it was carryover, and only a status change needed to be mentioned. In the meantime, the airplanes didn't stop flying. (d'oh). So, a person would run a finger down the checklist saying, "none" "none", "none", "none", "none", "traffic....". I was moving fast one day and said, "Catholic briefing: traffic..." (you'll get there..). Apparently not OK, though the Catholic guy I was briefing thought it was hysterical. Ding.

Same airport had a jet engine test hangar on the military side. Huge clouds of grey, black, or white smoke would issue from the vents when they were working on engines. One day a pilot asked me what that was. I said, "Apparently they're picking a new Pope." Ding.

The fire department had CFR exercises where they would burn black tires and steel beams, even wrecked fuselages for practice on putting out fires with airplane components. It would put up oily smoke on the field. A pilot asked what that was, and I said, "That's the last guy who didn't follow instructions." Ding.

We had slogans for our job, same as many others, like "Air traffic controller: we haven't left one up there yet." or "Air Traffic Controller: we keep 'em separated." Bumper sticker sayings and such. I had a license plate frame made for my car that said, "Female Air Traffic Controller: You get it up, I'll guide it in." I was given the choice of removing it immediately or being charged with sexual harassment. A screwdriver was placed in my hand. Ding.

One of my favorites, for which they never proved responsibility, was prior to an Air Force One arrival, they plug in a special phone that's live to the White House; just needs the handset out of the cradle, as the telephone line's hard-wired direct. I carefully cut out and pasted a bat-signal on the dial. Secret Service thought it was funny as hell but the supervisor was livid. No ding.

First flight of post-Soviet crumble into the US was earthquake relief to get special cement-block factories that were premanufactured into one unit that could (barely) fit in the back of a super-heavy Antonov (at the time the largest aircraft in the world) flown by the Russians: big fatality numbers in one of the 'Stans. The security was incredible, with fighter escorts and tracking, all sorts of military alert levels involved. As the airplane lifted with the first aid package (possibly setting the contemporary record for heaviest airborne object ever), I said, "Dosvedanya, Comrade: Contact Departure." Ding.

At least once it cost me more than discipline. I had a spectacular save by ATC standards, stopping a mechanic who was repositioning a large aircraft in the dark, unfamiliar with the layout and the meaning of the lights all around him, from powering further onto a runway where a full air carrier was just touching down; the pilot was in the flare and couldn't see the ground, the mechanic didn't see him or know it was a runway, and I yelled "(aircraft callsign) stopstopstop" just in time; they missed by 10 feet and .8 seconds by the tapes. They gave me a quick on-the-spot award for $75, because it deserved some recognition, but told me they would have put it in for national save of the year AKA Outstanding Flight Assist if they could've. However, the tape must be clean from 5 minutes prior to first contact with any aircraft involved in the incident. 4 minutes and 35 seconds prior, a pilot had read back a clearance including 4 digit transponder code, which was "4224". I said, "readback correct except you're dyslexic; transponder code 4224". Oops. Ding. Right in the pocketbook that time; those awards can be in the tens of thousands and are a BIG deal on your career path.

Yes, I was a smart-ass. Those are just a few of the more memorable ones. And who did it hurt (besides me the one time)? My problem is with the people who sweat the small stuff, who take things and themselves so seriously they cause a problem for someone else over it, just because they can. I loved my job; I shared my enjoyment of it with the people around me and made it more fun for them as well. No real regrets about it, but I hate to see the world going more PC by the year.