Harley
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February 28th, 2013 at 5:54:52 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

Are you implying that modern casinos owned by billion dollar corporations cheat in today's regulatory environment? I highly doubt it. Big difference between mobbed up Vegas of the old days and the modern era.



From one of our fellow lady crap tossers in Vegas:

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Beer lovers across the U.S. have accused Anheuser-Busch of watering down its Budweiser, Michelob and other brands in class-action suits seeking millions in damages.

The suits, filed in Pennsylvania, California and other states, claim consumers have been cheated out of the alcohol content stated on labels. Budweiser and Michelob each boast of being 5 percent alcohol, while some "light" versions are said to be just over 4 percent.

The lawsuits are based on information from former employees at the company's 13 U.S. breweries, some in high-level plant positions, says lead lawyer Josh Boxer of San Rafael, Calif.

"Our information comes from former employees at Anheuser-Busch, who have informed us that as a matter of corporate practice, all of their products mentioned (in the lawsuit) are watered down," Boxer said. "It's a simple cost-saving measure, and it's very significant." The excess water is added just before bottling and cuts the stated alcohol content by from 3 percent to 8 percent, he said.

Anheuser-Busch InBev called the claims "groundless" and said its beers fully comply with labeling laws.

"Our beers are in full compliance with all alcohol-labeling laws. We proudly adhere to the highest standards in brewing our beers, which have made them the best-selling in the U.S. and the world," said Peter Kraemer, vice president of brewing and supply.



http://azstarnet.com/business/local/budweiser-michelob-diluted-lawsuits-say/article_96501aa5-9e7e-5688-9258-927adb2b37b6.html
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
TheWolf713
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February 28th, 2013 at 6:29:54 PM permalink
Did we just by-pass a simple solution... Don't drink the beer... If craps are rigged, don't play... I just dont see the 6 battalions of soldiers holding people at gunpoint at the table telling them to shoot the dice or get shot!!! ... This issue is so irrelevant...

But if you do this research and find it to be true, what is your plan of action??? These casinos are pumping hundreds of millions into the desert.. Do you think the will make it fair? Nope.. Will it prove you were right... Nope.. They will just say it was a defective product..

The only thing that will happen is they'll get rid of the throwing of the dice and put in a bunch of crapless craps or auto craps machines...
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Harley
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February 28th, 2013 at 6:37:49 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

So you are saying that the casinos have dice that are designed differently? I would hope you take your "evidence" to the State Gaming Control Board immediatly. This may be the biggest news since the Stardust bust. I may have to short Stations casino stock today, although the SEC could be on me for insider trading. I cant believe that someone in the company has not thought of the money they could have made by coming forward with this info before.



we have .... see our details regarding visit to the Nevada Gaming Commission here - http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/p/biased-dice.html

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First we had a member of our Biased Dice Research Team contact the Las Vegas FBI where we were told by a female agent that they referred all casino related problems to the Nevada Gaming Commission. When we told the FBI agent that we felt that the Nevada Gaming Commission was part of the overall problem and that was like "letting the fox guard the hen house" they simply responded with a
"Well, we are short staffed and only have enough agents to concentrate on gangs and drugs that are entering from Mexico."

So, we then decided to talk to the head Fox in charge of the Hen Houses by sending the following letter to Randall E. Sayre of the Nevada Gaming Control Board:
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After the 3 hour meeting with the Nevada Gaming Commission, we interviewed our Biased Dice Research Team member that participated. His conclusion was that Nevada State Gaming Control Board is paid for by Casino gross gaming revenues and therefore knows exactly who they must protect -- the Casinos. Thus the proverbial Fox guarding the Hen House. Basic summary notes from the meeting:

- NSGCB Agent Jim Edwards was more interested in who the messenger was instead of possible crimes being committed by the Casinos,
Wanted to know if our messenger was a member of GTC (Golden Touch Craps group associated with Frank Scoblete),

- NSGCB Agent explained in so many words that their duties were to protect the casinos from Casino staff and patrons from stealing casino revenues.
Agent gave a 15 minute presentation on how shaved dice would not alter the odds of craps. We then tried to tell him that we were not talking about shaved dice, but unbalanced dice. Agent seemed to have trouble understanding the difference between shaved dice and unbalanced dice;

- NSGCB Agent wanted to know when and where Biased dice would be used -- we gave him days and times that 6 casinos would normally use unbalanced dice and he promised to audit their dice;

- Agent said he would be available to audit dice from any Nevada casino within 30 minutes of receiving a call if we suspected Biased dice. An auditor would arrive at the casino and give the Pit Supervisor a 5 minute warning that he would be confiscating the dice from the table, thus allowing the Casino a chance to get a new stick of dice so as not to interfere with operations;

- We presented our unbalanced dice evidence from 6 casinos -- showing how the standard dice balancing caliper (pictured above) clearly proved that live casino dice were unbalanced and being used to change the odds;

- Then the NSGCB Agent Jim Edwards explained how he would conduct the audit upon arriving at the casino -- he would first put the dice in a micrometer --- he demonstrated with our bad dice. He showed us how the dice were almost perfectly square -- again we had no argument with his findings. Then he pulled out his 50 year old all metal dice balancing caliper that weighed nearly 5 pounds and proceeded to spin the unbalanced dice --- the result was that the official NSGCB dice balancing equipment DID NOT WORK.

- The State "Caliper" cups that held the dice were too deep so that the points of the dice could not touch the end of the cup, thereby forcing the 4 sides of the plastic dice near that point to rub against the metal cup. Therefore, the metal cup would act like a brake against the 4 sides of the dice and prematurely stop the dice from freely spinning to a stop. In effect gravity would not work on the official Nevada state caliper in much the same way gravity does not work on a car going down hill if one applies brakes to the wheels, thus stopping the car from freely going to where gravity would take it.

When we asked if the state had a newer or better caliper, the Agent answered that "the state only had 2 official calipers -- one in the Reno and one in Las Vegas and they were both exactly the same except that one was painted red and the other green." The Agent then went on to explain that the state had no intention of getting new calipers -- that this was the official one to be used in all court proceedings.

It was clear the state had no intention of getting the answer right. Even after we explained what was wrong with his caliper. Therefore calling a Nevada State Enforcement Agent to verify if casino dice are balanced is a waste of time.

.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
TheWolf713
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February 28th, 2013 at 6:50:48 PM permalink
@Harley

That whole quote echoes what I'm trying to say...

Where can you take a problem, that isn't even considered a problem, by the people who enforce the RULES? To the corner of Nowhere blvd. & They dont give a s*** lane...


You can keep digging, I hope you find what you are looking for, but doubt it will a solution in there
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February 28th, 2013 at 6:57:09 PM permalink
If this is true and I wanted to play craps, bringing in your own caliper would be quite a stunt for change, video taped of course by someone not with chips.
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Keyser
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February 28th, 2013 at 7:02:29 PM permalink
Regarding Calipers:

They don't always work as they should. You will get false positives because the corners of the dice are easily damaged. Calipers are just about worthless in many dice related situations.
TheWolf713
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February 28th, 2013 at 7:03:15 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

If this is true and I wanted to play craps, bringing in your own caliper would be quite a stunt for change, video taped of course by someone not with chips.




It will be the funniest clip of someone getting escorted out I've ever seen... Caliper in hand saying "I want to check your dice to see if it's fair!!!"

and then all the other players are going to look at the guy leave, and turn right back around and say "let me get a hard 8!!!!"
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February 28th, 2013 at 7:38:41 PM permalink
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Nareed
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February 28th, 2013 at 7:55:53 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

It will be the funniest clip of someone getting escorted out I've ever seen... Caliper in hand saying "I want to check your dice to see if it's fair!!!"



I wonder.

I mean, sure, if someone were to show up at the table with calipers and demanded, or asked, to measure the dice, the natural first thought on the aprt of the crew would be some sort of elaborate chating scheme.

However, I've found casinos quite transparent with equipment in other respects. In 3CP or PGP, for exmaple, the undealt cards are placed in their own little holder in full view of everyone. When new decks are brought out, the dealers display them face up before mixing them and shuffling them.

No question about letting you measure dice at the table. But if you were to ask about it, nicely, they may reply.
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February 28th, 2013 at 8:02:05 PM permalink
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