Craps Etiquette Questions
Often I've been playing the dark side. Is it considered rude to be betting don't when the shooter is immediately on your right? Lately I've been asking the shooter if they care if I play the don't while they are shooting and no one has objected yet, but I thought I'd ask here.
My other question is when it's time to pass the dice sometimes they'll skip a person if that person just bought in and they would be the next to shoot. Is that standard in most casinos?
I do not bet -- right or wrong -- when I've just bought in and the point is already established. I wait until the point is resolved. However would a place 6 or 8 be considered rude in that situation while I'm waiting for the point to resolve?
--helpmespock
Here is how I recommend playing dark side on a full table.
Don't bet the comeout roll, wait for a point to be established.
Bet the DC hopefully when there are no come bets.
Be conscious about not vocalizing your winnings inappropriately.
Always thank the shooter for seven-winners and root for seven winners when there are no working bets and/or other bets that would lose.
Most don't betters are simply quiet, and that's a lot easier!
But it's possible for both sides to win if the sevens are coming on the comeout, everybody is happy!
2 It is customary to skip a person who just bought in to shoot if there were people who were waiting to shoot. This custom is definitely waived if the new buy-in is an attractive young lady.
3 If you've already bought checks during the point, that means your dealer had enough time to do it. In that case you certainly may place a number while the dice are in the middle. I generally wait for a new come out roll, however, to change cash into checks.
Quote: AhighBe conscious about not vocalizing your winnings inappropriately.
Always thank the shooter for seven-winners and root for seven winners when there are no working bets and/or other bets that would lose.
Most don't betters are simply quiet, and that's a lot easier!
If I play the dark side, I'm usually very quiet. If it's a busy table I try to get one of the spots at the hook so that I'm not playing don'ts with a person on either side. It's easier to get to the don't come then too. If I'm by the stickman I often have to push my bet over and tell the dealer to set my don't come.
I always clap and congratulate the shooter if they make their point when I'm on the don't. Seven-winners I usually just stay quiet.
--helpmespock
I said, "nice, that's exactly what I would have wanted to do if I was shooting!"
Treat it as a game and not as money and it's more fun. The only money that matters is when you're done anyway. You're going to win and lose both in the process.
Quote: sodawater3 If you've already bought checks during the point, that means your dealer had enough time to do it. In that case you certainly may place a number while the dice are in the middle. I generally wait for a new come out roll, however, to change cash into checks.
I typically wait for change to the new come out roll, but often the dealer is telling me to hand in my cash when the point is on. If it's at a very busy table I'll ignore the dealer or tell them I'll wait for the point. If the table isn't busy I'll do it while the dice are in the middle.
--helpmespock
It's your money. Don't ever let another player dictate what you do with YOUR BANKROLL.. if you want to play the don't.. Then Play it.. When you walk away from that table, you are either walking towards the cages or the car... (or to use your comps like the other losers). And they won't be with you... Play smart, play the table...
First, recognize there is no legitimacy or illegitimacy to any bet. These are idiotic concoctions of superstitious gamblers. If dark side is evil for opposing the pass then pass is evil for opposing the dark. It makes no sense, its all bullshit, and there's no reason to even care.
That said, there's no reason to have a bad time when you do things. Betting darkside does tend to piss people off. As a result, the rule I follow is simple: never celebrate winning (by actually celebrating or being jovial when winning) or say the word seven. That's it. I've never had a problem playing darkside when following these rules.
The next-guy over thing is crap. The waiting for a point to resolve before betting is crap. Not betting on the come out roll is crap. Bet whatever you can whenever you want and just be respectful while you do it.
I would also avoid rolling when you are darkside player when there are any passline players on the table. I enjoy rolling, so I switch from dark to pass when I want to roll. THIS PISSES PEOPLE OFF, and I don't recommend it unless you are fine with upsetting people. It's sending the message that they suck and I am awesome, none of which I believe, I just want to roll the dice. If the table gets mad I ask "I am going to roll either way, do you want me betting don't pass or pass?" This calms all but the most idiotic people.
Quote: helpmespockIf I'm by the stickman I often have to push my bet over and tell the dealer to set my don't come.
Quote: helpmespockIs it considered rude to be betting don't when the shooter is immediately on your right? Lately I've been asking the shooter if they care if I play the don't while they are shooting and no one has objected yet.
Why would a question like that even arise? Some specific situation or incident?
Quote: bbvk05I would also avoid rolling when you are darkside player when there are any passline players on the table. I enjoy rolling, so I switch from dark to pass when I want to roll. THIS PISSES PEOPLE OFF, and I don't recommend it unless you are fine with upsetting people. It's sending the message that they suck and I am awesome, none of which I believe, I just want to roll the dice. If the table gets mad I ask "I am going to roll either way, do you want me betting don't pass or pass?" This calms all but the most idiotic people.
If I happen to be betting don't pass and it comes to my turn I absolutely stick with don't pass. I do not switch to the light side just because I happen to be shooting. It gets some odd looks shooting from the don't, but when people ask I say that I'm trying to be consistent.
I think I shoot way more sevens than the average person. It's just a feeling. I like rolling the dice too and pass or don't pass doesn't matter to me on my turn.
--helpmespock
Quote: SanchoPanzaWhy would a question like that even arise? Some specific situation or incident?
I thought I read it on a forum about craps somewhere that playing don't in front of the shooter is considered rude when the shooter is on the pass.
Last trip, I was consistently playing the don't and the guy who just had his seven-out asked me if I was going to shoot from the don't. I replied that I shot a lot of sevens as I placed my money on the don't. He bet pass line. I shot 7 so he won and I lost. I shot a point and then an immediate 7-out with the next two rolls. As the dice passed the guy beside me said, "You weren't kidding about the sevens".
--helpmespock
Right before I toss the dice, I quickly move to the don't side and throw the dice and hit a 6-4.
Everyone is sort of wondering what the hell, looking at each other and I am thinking this will be funny. It was at the Silverton, and everyone had a $5 bet. I laid the ten for $100 (all red chips) and it was a leaning tower. Nobody at all made an odds bet (or any other bet) on a full table too. Then I do a sort of a trick shot and roll a hard ten.
Everyone at the table won $5 except me, yet there was a simultaneous "ohhhhhh!" I was laughing my ass off.
LOL.
I don't play the don't that often. I was just doing that as a goof, and I was planning to buy the point after that one roll, but I got owned. It was hilarious though.
You have got to be able to have fun with it, but that was one of those moments. LOL.
Oh well, you probably had to be there to think it was funny. But it was.
Quote: TheWolf713Here's one of the slogans I run by... "If they don't sleep in the same bed as you, who cares what the shooter thinks.".
It's your money. Don't ever let another player dictate what you do with YOUR BANKROLL.. if you want to play the don't.. Then Play it.. When you walk away from that table, you are either walking towards the cages or the car... (or to use your comps like the other losers). And they won't be with you... Play smart, play the table...
Amen TheWolf in HTown !!
Quote: GiorgioFromYumaDon't shooters are retarded, casino's should just take the bet out of the game, it ruins the fun for everyone. The funny part about don't players is that 99% of them think they are so much smarter than all the idiots playing the pass line. They equate themselves to the guy running the casino and think they are immune to the house edge and have a positive expectation. News flash, you are still losing money morons, just have fun with everyone else. It's almost more fun seeing the don't players lose their ass and cry in a corner than making money when shooters are making point after point.
It's also fun to watch the dice circle the table because shooters can't make a point. Don't is lower HE and gets better odds treatment at most places. It is the better bet and anybody bothered by it needs to grow up.
At Caesars they allowed me to make a fire bet when a dont player had the dice -- even without a passline or other bet. But I had been making the fire bet all day. I dont know if there is a rule requiring another bet along with a fire bet -- does anyone know?
Back to the don't shooter -- well I had the fire bet, and he made three passes and gave up the dice. The next player continued his hand -- and made the fourth number. Unfortunately, that one pass for that shooter was the end.
Quote: GiorgioFromYumaDon't shooters are retarded, casino's should just take the bet out of the game, it ruins the fun for everyone. The funny part about don't players is that 99% of them think they are so much smarter than all the idiots playing the pass line. They equate themselves to the guy running the casino and think they are immune to the house edge and have a positive expectation. News flash, you are still losing money morons, just have fun with everyone else. It's almost more fun seeing the don't players lose their ass and cry in a corner than making money when shooters are making point after point.
Now you got me going. You say "have fun with everyone else." Let me relate a true story.
I'm at Main Street Station this past December, playing the Don't, as I always do. I stand to Dealer Right and play very quietly. The table is stone cold. As such, with DP and DC bets, I am doing very well, in contrast to everyone else. A lady standing directly across from me asks the dealer, "what is he doing to win all this money?' The dealer's response: "He is betting against the table. It's not a very fun way to play. Most don't do it. It's a bad way to play."
I don't say a word but think to myself. "First of all, I am having a blast. Secondly, I am filling my rack and the rest of you are digging in your wallets every 15 minutes for more money. Who's the dummy here?"
I agree that an obnoxious darkside player can kill the fun of a table. Fortunately, those are the exception, not the rule. I myself am very polite about it and will even switch to the lightside after a shooter has qualified with two made points. But my bankroll can't handle betting on every shooter. At the end of the day, we are all betting against the house, not each other.
Quote: GiorgioFromYumaDon't shooters are retarded, casino's should just take the bet out of the game, it ruins the fun for everyone. The funny part about don't players is that 99% of them think they are so much smarter than all the idiots playing the pass line. They equate themselves to the guy running the casino and think they are immune to the house edge and have a positive expectation. News flash, you are still losing money morons, just have fun with everyone else. It's almost more fun seeing the don't players lose their ass and cry in a corner than making money when shooters are making point after point.
Quote: GiorgioFromYumaWow I guess the truth hurts for some people. Sorry to shatter the illusion that your .001 advantage has any meaning. And don't try telling me playing the don't is more fun, it's incomparable to pressing numbers on a hot roll. Don't players are just elitists. If every pass line player started playing the don't tomorrow, they'd go back to the pass line to feel special.
You are underreporting the advantage because you are not considering the benefits of increased odds wagers.
Also, your other points are completely subjective personal preferences.
Quote: Beethoven9thYou know what's really retarded? People who create new accounts for the sole purpose of making asinine forum posts.
Not that I disagree, but why argue with the troll when you can flag his posts?
Quote: AhighOkay, here's my best shooting from the don't story. It was a full set of people at the table and everybody was winning real good and I was shooting....
Right before I toss the dice, I quickly move to the don't side and throw the dice and hit a 6-4....
I laid the ten for $100 (all red chips) and it was a leaning tower.... Then I do a sort of a trick shot and roll a hard ten.
Let me see if I have this straight.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
You have trick shots.
You're full of s&*t.
You're not full of s&*t.
You have trick shots.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
One dealer at Terribles agrees with you for sure. He took a razor blade and shaved off the letters "Don't Come" from the felt layout, leaving nothing but the empty box which immediately started to get ignored by players.Quote: GiorgioFromYumaDon't shooters are retarded, casino's should just take the bet out of the game
Quote: darthvaderI'm at Main Street Station this past December, playing the Don't, as I always do. I stand to Dealer Right and play very quietly. The table is stone cold. As such, with DP and DC bets, I am doing very well, in contrast to everyone else. A lady standing directly across from me asks the dealer, "what is he doing to win all this money?' The dealer's response: "He is betting against the table. It's not a very fun way to play. Most don't do it. It's a bad way to play."
If I'm playing don't pass and people start asking about what's going on I say that it's just a different way to play the game and the difference in house edge between the pass line bettor and what I'm doing is 0.01%. I also say that ultimately we're both playing against the house because either way -- pass or don't pass -- the house has the edge.
--helpmespock
Quote: AlanMendelsonLet me see if I have this straight.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
You have trick shots.
You're full of s&*t.
You're not full of s&*t.
You have trick shots.
You are a dice influencer.
You are not a dice influencer.
Some of the things you have said lately, especially about telling if someone is able to overcome the house edge by watching one shot, are educational about your belief system and methods of thinking.
And then you go on to make this post. I am actually worried about you friend.
I do not _know_ if I am able to overcome the house edge with my throw. I do not use the term "DI" and therefore I do not claim to be one of those. I have a lot of good rolls in the casino and people tell me frequently at the casino that I am a good shooter. It could be because it looks like I know what I am doing and I play often enough to get lucky more often than other people.
The shot I am talking about was described as a trick shot my multiple other people. That's the only reason I call it a trick shot. But it's not my description, it's the description of others. So by description of multiple other people, I absolutely have what multiple independent other people call a trick shot. It is fun to do the shot because it is entertaining. Not because of the outcome. I don't use this shot often enough to know anything about what to expect from it, it just looks really cool and I like doing it for fun because of the comments I get when I do it.
I am sorry that you had to cancel our get together. But honestly, I don't know why you are responding like this. You need to get it together man!
- Cashing in in the middle of a roll.
- Being vocally obnoxious at anyone at the table whether he/she is betting with you or against you.
- Playing with the dice and setting them up for an hour before each roll thinking that you can influence them.
- Having your girlfriend/boyfriend blow on the dice for you before each roll (especially if you r the guy blowing) lol
- Cashing in in the middle of a roll.
- And most importantly, cashing in in the middle of a roll.
The should have a no mid roll entry table.
I've seen stick men bring the dice back to the middle and allow a mid-roll buy in when the amount of the buy in was rather large in comparison to table limits or the new-player was already of rather unsteady gait.
Help the first thing is its your money and you have the right to bet any way you want. I sure dont mind a dont better when i am
playing, i cant say you always appreciate a vocal dont player..... but again its life. If all you play with are random throwers, then the
game is 100% luck, you just think th eluck is on the side of the 7 with 6 chances to hit instead of a 6 with only 5.
We had one come to the table yesterday, very courteous, started right on on the donts, made a little right away, but then got killed.
As far as buying in. I wont buy in during a roll . Or if you just cant wait, atleast wait until a point is made. I try to aways have
$50 in chips in my pocket so lets say i would be the next shooter, i can drop a couple of bucks and get on a 6 or 8.
On the other hand if i had a dollar for every jerkoff that dropped a wad of money all over the table right int he middle on a good
roll, and shut the table down for 10 minutes or demanded change and then the crew asked you going to bet, no i will wait awhile,
There is always a next roll, and you want to be courtous of others so you hope they will be to you.
Quote: dicesitterhelp
Help the first thing is its your money and you have the right to bet any way you want. I sure dont mind a dont better when i am
playing, i cant say you always appreciate a vocal dont player..... but again its life. If all you play with are random throwers, then the
game is 100% luck, you just think th eluck is on the side of the 7 with 6 chances to hit instead of a 6 with only 5.
We had one come to the table yesterday, very courteous, started right on on the donts, made a little right away, but then got killed.
As far as buying in. I wont buy in during a roll . Or if you just cant wait, atleast wait until a point is made. I try to aways have
$50 in chips in my pocket so lets say i would be the next shooter, i can drop a couple of bucks and get on a 6 or 8.
On the other hand if i had a dollar for every jerkoff that dropped a wad of money all over the table right int he middle on a good
roll, and shut the table down for 10 minutes or demanded change and then the crew asked you going to bet, no i will wait awhile,
There is always a next roll, and you want to be courtous of others so you hope they will be to you.
There's nothing like the "over the shooter's shoulder buy-in" or the "little old lady who wants all the hardways" classic
There was no way I was letting the guy in there (it's my spot damn it) but I could not BELIEVE how bold the guy was in trying to squeeze between me and the stick when i was that close already.
So he moves over to spots away and I think he had already got the message he wasn't welcome because by the time I looked up to see, he had already turned and left.
It was the type of scene normally I only encounter at Palace Station.
I normally don't worry about buy-ins and color ups in mid roll providing that there is no interference with the roll itself and you are polite and paying attention to other players.
But this was the most extremely awkward (to say the least) attempt at a buy-in I have ever seen.
Several players said they thought he was about to try to make a grab at my chips.
Anyway, that is the sort of thing that I really take issue with.
The other thing I guess is that it doesn't matter what it is that you do, do not distract the shooter! Buying in is just one thing, but lots of things can do it. Just be conscious of the fact that the shooter may be trying to concentrate on what he is doing and not wanting to think about you at all.
George was on box, and after a while he said "that guy is behind you" and I believed him because George doesn't joke around like that. But I turned around real fast and he wasn't there.
LOL.
Would have if he could have.Quote: AhighSeveral players said they thought he was about to try to make a grab at my chips.
Quote: NareedNot that I disagree, but why argue with the troll when you can flag his posts?
Quote: helpmespockIf I happen to be betting don't pass and it comes to my turn I absolutely stick with don't pass. I do not switch to the light side just because I happen to be shooting. It gets some odd looks shooting from the don't, but when people ask I say that I'm trying to be consistent.
I think I shoot way more sevens than the average person. It's just a feeling. I like rolling the dice too and pass or don't pass doesn't matter to me on my turn.
--helpmespock
"New shooter, from the don't, says he won't."
If I'm playing the don't, I always shoot from the don't too. I'm a "pretty bad" shooter, but it's anecdotal at best.
Sometimes I'll even play the pass line on all the other shooters, and switch to the don't for myself. This is if, for some reason, I don't want to be an asshole :).
If someone thinks playing the dark side is 'rude' - they should play another game - or they are retarded - or both.
Quote: slackyhackyHow could it ever be 'rude' to play a game by the rules that the game defines?
If someone thinks playing the dark side is 'rude' - they should play another game - or they are retarded - or both.
It's a matter of going with the flow and the crowd versus going against it. This is a thread about etiquette and your response seems to indicate that you don't believe that etiquette should exist.
If you want to suggest that etiquette is something for people beneath your intellect, why post in this thread? This thread is for people who want to play in a way that helps them enjoy the game along with others playing the same way.
It sounds as if in New Orleans, they have a reverse polarity of play patters. A do player might be just as hated on there and don't player is here in Vegas.
Quote: thecesspitI see Ahigh is playing thread cop again.
You have such a pleasant sounding name. Your posts are almost as pleasant.
Quote: AhighYou have such a pleasant sounding name. Your posts are almost as pleasant.
Why thank-you! I am glad I have now had a post judged to worthy to the Hightower.
Quote: thecesspitWhy thank-you! I am glad I have now had a post judged to worthy to the Hightower.
It was only luck that is responsible for this, but congratulations, nevertheless.
Quote: AhighIt was only luck that is responsible for this, but congratulations, nevertheless.
Ah, you are again mistaking luck for skill, and vice versa, based on far too limited sample set. Never mind, you'll get there one day.
Back to the topic... etiquette does not (should not?) dictate which house offered bets a player can make. Etiquette dictates the behaviour of the players at the table when someone wins and someone else loses. Wishing bad luck on another player directly is bad etiquette, or rubbing in the face your winning is bad etiquette. The actual act of betting, not so much, not in my book.
The don't player maybe anti-social and heading away from the 'wisdom of the crowd' in the craps pit, but it's not bad etiquette to bet on the don't, no more than betting on the 0, or the black when someone is on the red.
That said, I do know there is an perceived etiquette in Baccarat to not bet against the big bettor on the table, especially amongst certain ethic groups.
Playing the dark side is not invalid although since the vast majority are playing with the shooter, you win when they lose and vice versa. Just don't be obnoxious when you win and don't sulk when you lose.
At which time, I will POLITELY tell you to go F*** yourself.
Quote: BuzzardIf you think I am rude by betting my own money my way at the dice table, please tell me so, when you next see me in a casino.
At which time, I will POLITELY tell you to go F*** yourself.
He won't tell you, he'll try and -make you lose-.
Quote: BuzzardI will POLITELY tell you to go F*** yourself.
Politeness in the face of rudeness is definitely the mark of the Buzzard!
