Just got back from the Casino
went to the bar had a cigar and drank a shit load of scotch waiting for friends(drove with them)
wow...that was a massacre......
Thanks
Quote: bbvk05Making a pile of DC bets makes little sense to me. You have a small chance of winning a lot and a good chance at losing a little. If I want that action I just play pass.
Quote: Beethoven9thThe HA on a Don't Come bet is (virtually) the same as on a Pass Line bet.
Nobody disputed that.
When you put a pile of DC bets out its likely that a few of them will lose before you get a 7. As a result you are only making money if a 7 shows up quick. When it does you make a lot. More often you lose a moderate amount because youll probably have a couple winners.
My point is that if you want a small chance to win a lot then the pass line is better and less worrisome. All of the bets have the same edge, its just a question of what kind of variance you like.
Quote: bbvk05Nobody disputed that.
When you put a pile of DC bets out its likely that a few of them will lose before you get a 7. As a result you are only making money if a 7 shows up quick. When it does you make a lot. More often you lose a moderate amount because youll probably have a couple winners.
My point is that if you want a small chance to win a lot then the pass line is better and less worrisome. All of the bets have the same edge, its just a question of what kind of variance you like.
Quote: Beethoven9thOK, then let me modify my statement. A DC bettor can easily say that making a PILE of Pass Line bets doesn't make sense for similar reasons. (PL bettors can lose a pile of money on cold tables)
Yes.....
Quote: Fuengirola2Craps happens.
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Quote: IbeatyouracesDamn those DI's!
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One DP bet
Followed by two ComeBets
Followed by a pause of one roll
Followed by two DontPass Bets
Followed by either more DP bets or a pause depending on my whims.
2x odds for all.
Even if you consider all players random.... that concept in itself indicates you have no idea what so ever
in terms of what the guy will throw. The cardinal rule of dont betting is you dont allow one person
to wipe you out....
You cant chase losses, if the guy rolls only 30 times and cost you money on most of them, why continiue
to bet, the idea that sooner or later he will throw a 7 is a fact, however you only win on that one roll, you
cant make up for the others.
If i am playing donts on others which is rare, if a guy costs me money on my first bet i am off for him,
no more bets, there is always a next shooter. Never, ever chase a loss.
dicesitter
Don't betters who bet against me are my favorite sport. Taking you out costs me absolutely NOTHING.
The last time I took out a don't better was at the Wynn. It was only a $25 table and he and I were the only ones at the table.
I made the point to him by betting the passline and the don't pass line bet and then verbalizing, "all I am trying to do is to get you to lose."
After he lost over $1,000 he finally left, and then I actually played the game and won less money than he lost.
It is just a game, and I won't even tell you that it's not random because I don't even claim to know -- and certainly would expect that what you experienced was random.
But don't expect ANYONE to feel sad for your loss when you play the game that way.
My ONLY suggestion is that when you employ that betting strategy for that much money .. do it in private in off hours with nobody else at the table and shoot the dice yourself to win. Then you can be 100% sure you have a random shooter.
It's just a game. So play it!!!
Quote: IbeatyouracesYou should be in the casino to win money for yourself. If you give two sh!ts about how someone else bets, well thats just assinine.
And to clarify, that is just YOUR opinion.
I laugh and laugh and laugh at people who go to the casino for financial gains and lose.
Gambling is for entertainment. If you're going in expecting to make money from just getting lucky and without much more of a plan than that, I think you've got to be ready to lose, because it will eventually happen no matter how little luck you are expecting.
I can ABSOLUTELY derive entertainment from watching losers lose, and there is nothing at all wrong with that in my opinion.
ESPECIALLY when the loser is not prepared.
I am MUCH more likely to take a max odds bet on a table when someone has a max odds lay bet against me. I enjoy the personal nature of such a bet.
If I lose, it's worth it for the chance to take the don't player's money.
The house never really cares when I win, but other players do. It's just more fun.
Quote: AhighIf you want to bet on a random shooter playing the DC, I *still* think throwing the dice yourself is your best method of play.
Don't betters who bet against me are my favorite sport. Taking you out costs me absolutely NOTHING.
The last time I took out a don't better was at the Wynn. It was only a $25 table and he and I were the only ones at the table.
I made the point to him by betting the passline and the don't pass line bet and then verbalizing, "all I am trying to do is to get you to lose."
Wow! There's a word we use back in the UK for people like that, but I won't use it here.
How did you "take him out"? You rolled randomly, so your dice throws lost him money. Why take such pride in a random event?
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My ONLY suggestion is that when you employ that betting strategy for that much money .. do it in private in off hours with nobody else at the table and shoot the dice yourself to win. Then you can be 100% sure you have a random shooter.
It's just a game. So play it!!!
Why should I play at a different time to you? I can play anyways I choose, as can you... you can choose to be a goit about it, but that's your issue not mine.
Quote: thecesspitWow! There's a word we use back in the UK for people like that, but I won't use it here.
No because it would probably break the rules of this forum. You're right you won't use it!
Quote:How did you "take him out"? You rolled randomly, so your dice throws lost him money. Why take such pride in a random event?
By rolling the dice. If you had read what I said, you'll see that I wasn't even betting when I made that statement. ALL I was doing was taking him out by rolling the dice. It wasn't random what I did, and it wasn't pride that made me do it. I got rid of the player with no risk at all to myself so I could have the whole table to myself. I like empty tables! It's a game and I play it ANY WAY I WANT TO.
Quote:Why should I play at a different time to you? I can play anyways I choose, as can you... you can choose to be a goit about it, but that's your issue not mine.
You obviously did not understand my point. Here is my point: if you are a don't better and you want to bet a bet that wins when other people lose, you deserve the treatment I have to dole out for you, and I will do it.
If you merely like the betting strategy, I am suggesting you do it alone without negatively affecting other players.
Your comments towards me neglect the nature of the don't player because what you're saying about me REALLY applies more to the OP.
Maybe if you think about it you will understand things from my perspective.
But why not have some fun while the guy loses. He deserves it if you ask my opinion!
*HE* wanted to take *MY* money and I demonstrated I can roll without that happening and I can let the house take HIS money without any risk to me.
But Ahigh is right, no one likes the don't bettor who is betting that the right shooter will lose.
So if I am at the table I bet right when Aaron shoots and wrong when I shoot.
Quote: Ahigh
Don't betters who bet against me are my favorite sport. Taking you out costs me absolutely NOTHING.
The last time I took out a don't better was at the Wynn. It was only a $25 table and he and I were the only ones at the table.
I made the point to him by betting the passline and the don't pass line bet and then verbalizing, "all I am trying to do is to get you to lose."
After he lost over $1,000 he finally left, and then I actually played the game and won less money than he lost.
Wow
Quote: mdhIm not a dont player but the concept of losing all bets at once on a 7out and winning all bets(that are left)as a dont player at once does sound nice. I believe this was discussed on another thread. Ive always wanted to try dont but I just cant see myself wanting other people at table to loose when the 7 comes even tho it would make me a winner.
If there are only a few people at the table, you can all switch to the don't pass at the same via verbal agreement.
It's a social game, and you can play however you want. If everybody at the table is in sync with each others intentions, you can do any strategy at the same time and have fun with it!
Quote: AhighIt was only a $25 table and he and I were the only ones at the table. I made the point to him by betting the passline and the don't pass line bet and then verbalizing, "all I am trying to do is to get you to lose."
How many boxcars were in there?
Quote: dicesitterSorry this does not make sense......
Even if you consider all players random.... that concept in itself indicates you have no idea what so ever
in terms of what the guy will throw. The cardinal rule of dont betting is you dont allow one person
to wipe you out....
You cant chase losses, if the guy rolls only 30 times and cost you money on most of them, why continiue
to bet, the idea that sooner or later he will throw a 7 is a fact, however you only win on that one roll, you
cant make up for the others.
If i am playing donts on others which is rare, if a guy costs me money on my first bet i am off for him,
no more bets, there is always a next shooter. Never, ever chase a loss.
dicesitter
You are Dead on point with your comment... I believe in playing the table not the system.. When you put a DC bet up and a guy knocks it down twice... Just back off...
Quote:No because it would probably break the rules of this forum. You're right you won't use it!
Pardon me? "You are right you won't use it", are you trying to goad me? If you want to play all alpha dog, go bark in your own backyard, pal.
Quote: Ahigh
By rolling the dice. If you had read what I said, you'll see that I wasn't even betting when I made that statement. ALL I was doing was taking him out by rolling the dice. It wasn't random what I did, and it wasn't pride that made me do it. I got rid of the player with no risk at all to myself so I could have the whole table to myself. I like empty tables! It's a game and I play it ANY WAY I WANT TO.
Oh, so now you DO claim to be able to influence the dice?
And exactly, the DON"T bettor will play it any way he wants to as well.
Maybe he was having fun, and didn't like you coming along and making it not fun? It really sucks when someone does that, takes an enjoyable experience and takes a dump on it... perhaps he plays the don't for his own entertainment.
Quote: thecesspitPardon me? "You are right you won't use it", are you trying to goad me? If you want to play all alpha dog, go bark in your own backyard, pal.
Absolutely not! I am letting you know that "name calling" which is what you very specifically said you would not do is simply against the rules and I know that you won't break the rules! I am AGREEING WITH YOU and I am NOT GOADING YOU. I am saying, "YOU ARE RIGHT! YOU WILL NOT CALL ME A NAME ON THIS FORUM. THERE ARE SPECIFIC RULES AGAINST NAME CALLING. THANK YOU." If you need me to be more clear about what I am saying, I will say it again in a bigger font for you.
Quote: thecesspitOh, so now you DO claim to be able to influence the dice?
No! What gave you that impression?
Quote: thecesspitAnd exactly, the DON"T bettor will play it any way he wants to as well.
Extremely uninformative comment, but sure, I knew that.
Quote: thecesspitMaybe he was having fun, and didn't like you coming along and making it not fun? It really sucks when someone does that, takes an enjoyable experience and takes a dump on it... perhaps he plays the don't for his own entertainment.
I think that is EXACTLY what happened. And he was making it not fun for the people that HE ran off just as I had arrived.
You really need to work on understanding what you're talking about and what you are reading. I don't think you have been doing a great job at that.
Quote: AhighAbsolutely not! I am letting you know that "name calling" which is what you very specifically said you would not do is simply against the rules and I know that you won't break the rules! I am AGREEING WITH YOU and I am NOT GOADING YOU. I am saying, "YOU ARE RIGHT! YOU WILL NOT CALL ME A NAME ON THIS FORUM. THERE ARE SPECIFIC RULES AGAINST NAME CALLING. THANK YOU." If you need me to be more clear about what I am saying, I will say it again in a bigger font for you.
This was not a very informative comment. I know the rules. I can actually call you any name I want. There's nothing stopping me doing it. The is no "You WILL NOT..." about it.
There just so happens to be consequences, and I respect the forum owner to abide by those rules.
Quote:No! What gave you that impression?
Quote:"It wasn't random what I did"
That's what gave me that impression.
Quote:Extremely uninformative comment, but sure, I knew that.
I didn't realize you were marking me on my information content.
Quote:I think that is EXACTLY what happened. And he was making it not fun for the people that HE ran off just as I had arrived.
Just as you arrived? Or after you 'got him'?
Quote: AhighI can ABSOLUTELY derive entertainment from watching losers lose, and there is nothing at all wrong with that in my opinion...
...I enjoy the personal nature of such a bet...
...it's worth it for the chance to take the don't player's money.
Quote: Beethoven9thThese comments are so ironic coming from a guy who bristles at the slightest hint of criticism.
Now you've gone and hurt my feelings!
Quote: thecesspitJust as you arrived? Or after you 'got him'?
The point I think you're missing: it's a game!
Quote: vert1276
went to the bar had a cigar and drank a shit load of scotch waiting for friends(drove with them)
Please let me know where this is. Its harder and harder to find a place to smoke cigars.
Also I am sorry for your loss.
Quote: JW17
Also I am sorry for your loss.
Who died? (Sorry, could not resist.)
I'm just curious about "don't players." Is it against your religion or do you burn in hell if you started to play from the right side? Or is it okay to stop betting when it appears you are up against a lucky shooter who is hitting numbers?
We right way shooters are frequently criticized for not switching over to the darkside at "cold tables." I criticize my sister and brother in law for this. They frequently take cruises and always -- I mean always -- come back complaining that the craps table is cold on the ships. So I ask them, "why don't you play from the don't?"
So, why can't darkside players switch and play from the right way side when the tide goes against them?
Quote: AlanMendelson"why don't you play from the don't?"
A lot of players like all the proposition bets, maybe even the vast majority, I'm sure you agree. I'll remind you that you can't go darkside on anything but the line bets. So, bear in mind for most players a cold table is unfixable without a complete change in how they bet.
PS: I guess you can lay points too; but I'm not sure that's available everywhere
PPS: of course the Wizard hates all this talk about what to do about cold tables, as the trend for the next and all future bets is unknowable.
