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browie
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December 16th, 2012 at 2:46:42 PM permalink
I have a group of friends and we play Hold 'em almost every week during the winter months. When I hit the casino though I love my craps. I want to take craps home though and just have a friendly game with my poker buddies.

Most of them don't play in casino's and if/when they ever go it's to play some slots or roulette because it's easy to play. So my idea was to just cut everything down to 10% or even 1% of normal craps.

So on a typical $5 craps table my table at home would be $0.50 table and that way we could keep the same payouts or to get my buddies interested even play the first night with say $0.05 min.

I've only read one small explanation on how we could rotate the house but haven't figured it all out yet.

Does anyone have any more insight on how we could rotate being the house so if it's a bad shooter night I don't rake in all of the winnings?

For example purposes let's say I have 6 people and we each bring $10 and the bets are $0.50 bets with 2x odds and obviously $0.60 on 6/8

Ideas?
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December 16th, 2012 at 2:58:17 PM permalink
If they're each going to put up $10, I'd make the minimum bet $.05, so they'll have the ability to make 200 plays.

If you rotate the house between each of the six of you, each of you will have a chance to be the winner on a bad shooting night. That isn't much fun, though, and would entice people to want to be the house.

One solution would be for the person who is the 'house' that night to put up $60 of his own money. Everyone is now trying to win that person's money, just like they would be in poker. That way, if no one shoots well and the house has a good night, no one is angry, because he is just getting his own money back.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:02:59 PM permalink
If the seven pushes, 2,3 loses, 11,12 wins on the pass line - then it has no house edge. Combine that with some kind of a rotation system and maybe a VERY low vig buy bet system and you'll have a pretty fair game all around.

Edit: The pass line would have to pay true odds depending on the point as well.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:06:43 PM permalink
Nah, don't start out cutting corners or making special rules or rotating the Bank.

Go get yourself one of those mini craps layouts. No expensive table. Just a somewhat large piece of felt properly marked out, some sort of tub or back board , chips and a good set of dice. Have it out there and see if it takes.

Make it a five dollar table,,, And make the Bank be the Liquor Bill. So that you spend any house profit on Booze and Crockpot Goodies for next time.

Legally that makes you a lawbreaker so if you don't want that spread the Bank at night into Equal Parts of rebates.

Don't try to get cute with five cent bets or any other nonsense you couldn't do at a real game.

If your friends don't go for the idea... then put it away and forget it. They may simply prefer poker.
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December 16th, 2012 at 3:16:40 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Nah, don't start out cutting corners or making special rules or rotating the Bank.

Go get yourself one of those mini craps layouts. No expensive table. Just a somewhat large piece of felt properly marked out, some sort of tub or back board , chips and a good set of dice. Have it out there and see if it takes.

Make it a five dollar table,,, And make the Bank be the Liquor Bill. So that you spend any house profit on Booze and Crockpot Goodies for next time.

Legally that makes you a lawbreaker so if you don't want that spread the Bank at night into Equal Parts of rebates.

Don't try to get cute with five cent bets or any other nonsense you couldn't do at a real game.

If your friends don't go for the idea... then put it away and forget it. They may simply prefer poker.



The host has to be pretty well bankrolled to take this much action. If he's not going to keep the profits, it's a whole lot of risk for nothing. Even a 5 dollar table can lose 10s of thousands of dollars on a bad night (I guess it depends what you limit the max bet to, but craps is no fun if you are forced to flat bat)
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December 16th, 2012 at 5:03:12 PM permalink
Quote: browie

Does anyone have any more insight on how we could rotate being the house so if it's a bad shooter night I don't rake in all of the winnings?

For example purposes let's say I have 6 people and we each bring $10 and the bets are $0.50 bets with 2x odds and obviously $0.60 on 6/8

Ideas?



All of you are the bank. Let's say there are 5 of you. Each person throws $20 into the bank, and each person has a 20% share of the bank.

Now elect a stickman, and play craps. You can rotate the stickman every 20 minutes (just like a real game).

Each player nows plays with their own money, and keeps any money won.

At the end of the night, distribute the bank back out to all of the players.

If one player had a good night, then the bank may have less the the starting $100, and every player will get back less than the $20 each they put in.
If the house won money, then every player will get back more than the $20 they invested.
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December 16th, 2012 at 7:09:45 PM permalink
I run a game with my buddies that uses quarter chips. We have a 50 cent minumum and 3x4x5x odds and it plays fairly well. I generally make some money, but they also make some hard way and hops bets, and they love the field. Honestly, rotating the bank is a bad idea. Everyone understands that the banker has an edge, but playing is more fun than banking. The banker gets the advantage of the house edge and the liability of variance. The only way that the banker can get really stung though is through aggressive pressing or if the whole table decides that they each want to throw a bet on the same prop bet. If two people both really want to bank the game, which is unlikely, then you need to have one person be a cashier/banker and be responsible for selling and honoring the chips. The people who want to bank the game can simply switch seats at the table every half hour, but most people aren't gonna want to bank. I police the bets and make sure that people are betting optimally (for example, 6 unit bets on the place 6). You must quickly and accurately calculate payoffs and make them, etc. On top of that, as a hot shooter keeps rolling, the banker is losing more and more money while everyone else is cheering and high fiving, and he has to keep doing all the work, give away his money, and pretend that he is not pissed that he is losing. I don't think anyone will be fighting with you, just bank the game yourself, offer to let others bank, and offer some kind of $25 in chipss for $20 to get the action started.

PS. It helps if you offer to buy beer and give it free to players
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December 16th, 2012 at 7:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

I run a game with my buddies that uses quarter chips. We have a 50 cent minumum and 3x4x5x odds and it plays fairly well.



Out of curiosity, roughly how many players, how long of a session, average wagers, how big are you swinging as banker?
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December 16th, 2012 at 8:16:23 PM permalink
I think, traditionally, craps would be played with the shooter betting themself, and others fading the bet. The illusion of control would keep the shooter from begrudging the disparity in EV, and etiquette would keep all from abusing it. If you're used to poker, though, where even friendly games can be a bit cutthroat, it may be best to require a minimum bank of the shooter.
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December 16th, 2012 at 9:51:22 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

All of you are the bank. Let's say there are 5 of you. Each person throws $20 into the bank, and each person has a 20% share of the bank.

Now elect a stickman, and play craps. You can rotate the stickman every 20 minutes (just like a real game).

Each player nows plays with their own money, and keeps any money won.

At the end of the night, distribute the bank back out to all of the players.

If one player had a good night, then the bank may have less the the starting $100, and every player will get back less than the $20 each they put in.
If the house won money, then every player will get back more than the $20 they invested.



I think this is a cool idea for a home game, but just to be clear, are you saying that there are 5 people who each put in $20 to fund the bank and THEN buy in with their own money for $5 or whatever they choose to buy in for? Essentially saying that the 5 players are providing the bank funds and are entitled to 20% of whatever remains in the bank at the end of the night in addition to whatever they choose to buy in for? Also, what are your suggestions if the bank runs out of money? Game over?

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