Blew out my bankroll
This thread slows one thing and that is luck!
Ahigh is just lucky like anybody else when he is winning and of course unlucky when he is losing.
No Ahigh. I'm not picking on you, just pointing a fact of life when you are playing craps! Your shooting skills that you think you have are not always going to beat how many 7's you roll!
I can only assume that your hardways must of vanished and you are no longer throwing them!
Some times we should step back and look at what we are writing about our game, if you can't consistently beat the game with your shooting, I wouldn’t tell the world that I was the best dice controller anybody has seen.
Lets take a look at a different thread that Ahigh is writing about dice control:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/5411-has-anyone-ever-seen-a-real-study-on-dice-control/23/
Quote:Quote: KtoLV
As a Las Vegas craps dealer on the strip, I can tell you that tehcnique is complete BS.
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Ahigh
Haven't heard back from the one-post-wonder yet.
Teddy and I have been going out to play pretty regularly.
I don't have a bankroll to play much, but I'm enjoying throwing the bones in public and having fun, and still have a dollar or two to throw them.
I'm absolutely curious for any observers of my throwing ability in public to make comments, including Teddy.
I think Teddy has seen more of my shot than anyone, but still nobody on this forum really has enough samples of my throw in the casino to make any generalizations.
As far as this particular dealer's generalizations, they may hold true for those he has observed and still not hold water for me personally.
But I'm willing to subject myself, and I haven't heard back yet for who this person is.
I think like anyone else, dealers are more subject to emotion and selective memory to truly be objective over a large enough set of samples from a single individual.
In this thread when Alan asked the stinging question about why Ahigh is losing, spells it all out; nobody should have to look at Ahigh's shooting, it just doesn't matter, losing tells it all.
You can't beat craps with just your shooting, even if you are a DI, you need luck to go along with your shooting.
I've been on the tables with some of the best DI's I've seen shooting and just like everybody else they lose too, when things are going bad for them!
Alan the next time you come to Vegas we should get together, and take Ahigh up on him showing the world how he shoots in a casino, with video rolling! Then we can see if it's his betting that needs work on or his shooting!
Ahigh do you have plans to shoot today, I would like to see what you are doing, you can PM me or call you have my phone number!
AHigh destroyed me yesterday...:PQuote: AhighNo it's okay to ask. There are plenty of reasons, but it's possible that I am a really sucky shooter!
I am trying, but not making claims that my shot is only making me money.
Teddy lost on my shot last night too!
Especially at crapless last night I was hoping to hit some boxcars for him, but I destroyed him instead!
We went to seven casinos; Orleans, El Cortez, Lucky Club, Cannery, Main Street Station, Plaza, Vegas Club, and Golden Gate.
I lost at six out of those seven casinos, and just got absolutely destroyed at the last five; didn't hit any big bets. At Plaza, I played $100 outside on the 2,3,11, and 12 at crapless and AHigh sevened out twice on the comeout! It was just terrible shooting. My bankroll took such a large drop that its too embarrassing to even mention the amount.
This guy can't shoot for sh*t! He is also a terrible bingo player... :)
Quote: WizardI advise that you avoid gimmicks, and Crapless Craps is an illustrated example.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/5/#craplesscraps
what are you guys doing playing Crapless Craps?
Which I could say it was totally unexpected, but I can't !
Playing the devil's advocate here about what you wrote, just how many times have you played craps with Ahigh?
If more then a few times how many times have you won when he was shooting? I've never met a so-called DI that will have good rolls every time they go to the tables. If you think that a shooter can't do anything wrong, you will end up losing when they are having a bad day. There is more to playing craps then just shooting, know when to cut your betting down, when you are losing, helps you stay in the game until a good roll comes along.
I know that there will be days that everything goes wrong, when that is happening, it's time to go home and not chase your money. There is always the next day if you are a local playing in Vegas.
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AHigh destroyed me yesterday...:P
We went to seven casinos; Orleans, El Cortez, Lucky Club, Cannery, Main Street Station, Plaza, Vegas Club, and Golden Gate.
I lost at six out of those seven casinos, and just got absolutely destroyed at the last five; didn't hit any big bets. At Plaza, I played $100 outside on the 2,3,11, and 12 at crapless and AHigh sevened out twice on the comeout! It was just terrible shooting. My bankroll took such a large drop that its too embarrassing to even mention the amount.
This guy can't shoot for sh*t! He is also a terrible bingo player... :)
Quote: teddysAHigh destroyed me yesterday...:P
We went to seven casinos; Orleans, El Cortez, Lucky Club, Cannery, Main Street Station, Plaza, Vegas Club, and Golden Gate.
I lost at six out of those seven casinos, and just got absolutely destroyed at the last five; didn't hit any big bets. At Plaza, I played $100 outside on the 2,3,11, and 12 at crapless and AHigh sevened out twice on the comeout! It was just terrible shooting. My bankroll took such a large drop that its too embarrassing to even mention the amount.
This guy can't shoot for sh*t! He is also a terrible bingo player... :)
I am amazed at your stubbornness. After losing at two casinos, I'd probably chalk it up to not being my day, and find something else to do.
Why do you have the outside numbers working on the comeout? Why not wait for him to establish a point, then buy the outside? Does he commonly throw craps and 11 on the comeout?
Quote: SACRQuote: teddysAHigh destroyed me yesterday...:P
We went to seven casinos; Orleans, El Cortez, Lucky Club, Cannery, Main Street Station, Plaza, Vegas Club, and Golden Gate.
I lost at six out of those seven casinos, and just got absolutely destroyed at the last five; didn't hit any big bets. At Plaza, I played $100 outside on the 2,3,11, and 12 at crapless and AHigh sevened out twice on the comeout! It was just terrible shooting. My bankroll took such a large drop that its too embarrassing to even mention the amount.
This guy can't shoot for sh*t! He is also a terrible bingo player... :)
I am amazed at your stubbornness. After losing at two casinos, I'd probably chalk it up to not being my day, and find something else to do.
Why do you have the outside numbers working on the comeout? Why not wait for him to establish a point, then buy the outside? Does he commonly through craps and 11 on the comeout?
I'm not going to speak for Teddy, but we still had a great time, and I'm pretty sure he's just poking and ribbing at me.
I wasn't keeping track of his losses, but I won $150 for the night. I did my normal routine on a very scaled back basis. And I won about $50 of the $150 I won for the night on Teddy's rolls.
I had PLENTY of AWESOME rolls last night though, and I'm pretty sure Teddy would tell you that. Teddy had some great rolls too. I think Teddy rolled 6 tens in 7 throws (maybe it was 5 in 6 throws) but he made $100 on all but one of those throws including working his max $50 odds on the comeout.
You guys that aren't playing with me don't know anything about my throw, and on this forum, Teddy knows more than anybody at this point.
But he doesn't believe in any of this crap. And while he listens to what I have to say about it, he's still quite the skeptic and just having fun betting on pure randomness from his vantage point and doesn't blame me for anything.
All the talk about control and stuff makes it more fun, and we are absolutely having fun. There were a couple of moments when we were at some super-low-roller 10x odds joints that rarely get any action and were hitting lots of stuff and having a great time when the box looked a little worried, but it was the tail end of the evening (after midnight) .. when things went sort of south. I had already stopped betting as I was happy with being up $150, and Teddy was still going strong with his embracing the free bets and having luck go against him.
I made $300 profit in the last week and gave all of it to my woman. I have more money coming, and I'm absolutely not hurting.
But yesterday I went and bought about $600 worth of Christmas gifts before I went out gambling with Teddy. I made another $150 gambling with Teddy, and I gave my woman another $200 cash today out of that and deposited $300 into my checking account leaving $50 in my wallet.
We went boogie sledding today on Mount Charleston (me, my woman, and the kids) and had a great time.
Anyway, I winning for the last 7 days, just making TINY bets and grinding it, stroking the dealers, and having an awesome fun time myself.
Quote: superrickIn this thread when Alan asked the stinging question about why Ahigh is losing, spells it all out; nobody should have to look at Ahigh's shooting, it just doesn't matter, losing tells it all.
You can't beat craps with just your shooting, even if you are a DI, you need luck to go along with your shooting.
I've been on the tables with some of the best DI's I've seen shooting and just like everybody else they lose too, when things are going bad for them!
Alan the next time you come to Vegas we should get together, and take Ahigh up on him showing the world how he shoots in a casino, with video rolling! Then we can see if it's his betting that needs work on or his shooting!
Ahigh do you have plans to shoot today, I would like to see what you are doing, you can PM me or call you have my phone number!
I don't think I'm shooting today. I just deposited $300 cash and gave $200 cash to my woman, and I have $50 cash in my wallet now.
LOL. Teddy will tell you that my betting is anything but typical. And so will the dealers at the Silverton.
My papers from the Silverton show $70,000+ worth of buy-ins and $400 worth of losses for 2011, $8,000 worth of buy-ins and $1000 worth of losses for 2010. I don't know about this year, but I lost more than $1,000 this year.
But I absolutely don't bet standard "Wizard of Odds" max odds strategy seeking to simply minimize losses in the long term.
I bet in ways that generally nobody that I know of bets. It is fun for me to bet however I feel like betting and I do.
But you know what, and hope people appreciate this, I am not hiding anything. I think most people who claim to have any skill at shooting the dice want you to believe that they have lifetime wins, and I admit that I have been losing since day one. Actually, including comps I may be ahead, but I still maintain that I am just having fun and not supplementing my income with craps play. In fact, I'd go on to say that I'm not even really trying to make money. I'm not claiming that I even have the ability to make money shooting craps. I just want to prove that it's possible to influence the dice. I think the typical person who THINKS they can influence the dice is more likely just lucky. And I'm pretty sure NOBODY HAS YET TO PROVE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE.
That's what I want to do.
But I am absolutely having more fun playing this game than most other people I know that play it. And I absolutely feel like a winner overall, regardless of my bankroll.
And I will absolutely play with anyone and I can generally school even the most knowledgeable craps enthusiast. And I love doing so.
We can get together and play though. I thought Alan wanted to play, but he had to work then. So I don't know. It will probably happen soon enough if everyone's ego can all fit in the same casino (including mine).
It should be fun. Maybe Teddy can set up the time and place.
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Especially at crapless last night I was hoping to hit some boxcars for him, but I destroyed him instead!
With dice control, does playing crapless craps become better than standard craps at some threshhold of a biased roll? I would be surprised if it would ever make crapless craps a superior game for pass line house edge since house edge is over 5%!
But from what I read from Teddy, I'm assuming you were only buying 2, 3, 11, 12 when commissions were paid on wins only? Hopefully?
Quote: tringlomaneWith dice control, does playing crapless craps become better than standard craps at some threshhold of a biased roll? I would be surprised if it would ever make crapless craps a superior game for pass line house edge since house edge is over 5%!
But from what I read from Teddy, I'm assuming you were only buying 2, 3, 11, 12 when commissions were paid on wins only? Hopefully?
He bet the 2, 3, 11, and 12 for a quarter each to get the minimum house edge, and only bet the pass line to shoot for a minimum bet. When I shot, I only bet the passline and nothing else just trying to hit some 12's for him (I failed).
He had a number of hits, but it was somewhat comical. As soon as the money went on his rail and he was ready to buy the 2, 3, 11, and 12, he watched as a 12 rolled. He looks at me and I know he's thinking "shit I missed that." The next roll was a 2. We were both laughing.
So he gets his bets down and it was just bad timing, you know.
But yeah, the edge per roll is pretty low on those bets. You have to pay the high edge for the pass line. There were no come bets or any other bets at the time.
We both definitely know our math pretty darned well.
But to your question, if you want to bet for a specific outcome on each die (meaning a specific pair is going to happen) you have to go to crapless to get the lowest edge as the hardways all day are still 2.78% per roll on the edge.
On crapless, you can press as 2 or a 12 and keep your vig really low if you have a really good shot to target a specific outcome.
You have to put in a bunch of rolls though to grind out your edge, and it's going to be luck for the first ten to one hundred rolls.
Here's a link to exactly where we were. This is public access, no charge, free parking, etc. But it's cleared off and marked for doing this type of thing. Cops were giving out tickets to those who parked illegally (just one side is marked no parking as it's easy to get stuck on that side), otherwise no troubles.
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My 'roll is only going to be like $50 (just dropped a grand at UTH this weekend, blah!)
But I just really wanna watch you shoot, and watch Teddy bet....ohh, and of course show off my technique (same style of throwing as Dominic Loriggio)
Quote: TIMSPEEDI'll see you and Teddy Friday night or Saturday night...
My 'roll is only going to be like $50 (just dropped a grand at UTH this weekend, blah!)
But I just really wanna watch you shoot, and watch Teddy bet....ohh, and of course show off my technique (same style of throwing as Dominic Loriggio)
That's the challenge!
Keep me updated with your plans, Tim. I think I may be taking my woman for dinner at Twin Creeks on one of those nights to redeem a coupon.
Update: After I rolled with AHigh last weekend and lost, I played the next day trying to recover and just had three absolutely horrible back-to-back losing sessions at three different casinos. It literally took me less than 30 minutes to lose my buy-in at each place.
The negative variance is really eating at me and I've already lost a good chunk of my bankroll. It may be time to reevaluate my goals at playing craps. I played on AHigh's home table on Tuesday and had a lot of fun. (If he invites anyone to see the table, you should take him up on it. It is really an amazing setup.)
I've still been doing microscopic sized bets. I've been up and down $400 or so along the way from a few larger bets. But mostly passing the time betting small.
Funny part was...almost everyone was playing DON'T!! me and my gf TORE the table up...she made six passes!
Quote: TIMSPEEDSo, I turned my measly $50 into $400 last night at MSS, AND I got the pitboss to give me 2 free buffets!
Funny part was...almost everyone was playing DON'T!! me and my gf TORE the table up...she made six passes!
I was getting this notion that in Vegas nobody [hardly] plays the Don't due to all the "boos", but I keep hearing about it now. Are things changing?
Avoiding trouble betting against other players is an art. The best way to avoid trouble is to bet in a way that avoids trouble. But you can make fun out of just about anything if you're good at having fun.
Quote: AhighThe players are as random as the dice in most places. You get regulars at any place at specific times when there are fewer tourists. But any time anywhere there are more tourists that regulars, the play patterns are absolutely just as random as anything.
Avoiding trouble betting against other players is an art. The best way to avoid trouble is to bet in a way that avoids trouble.
Uh, yeah.
Keeping you big mouth shut might work better !
Quote: IbeatyouracesLaughable.
Any reason why, or are you just trying to appear to know what you're saying?
Dude...TIMPSEED I am playing with you on Monday at Silverton ... I want to kill myself after my recent craps play...on a 1 for 13 losing session streak! I need a Christmas Miracle!Quote: TIMSPEEDSo, I turned my measly $50 into $400 last night at MSS, AND I got the pitboss to give me 2 free buffets!
Funny part was...almost everyone was playing DON'T!! me and my gf TORE the table up...she made six passes!
But I still had a terrific day today.
Quote: iluvdisco33Any reason why, or are you just trying to appear to know what you're saying?
A steadfast opposition to any suggestion whatsoever that risk could have value, since it would damage his Robin Hood self-image.
Most people who gamble, even those who believe otherwise, operate with much higher edges stacked against them.
The certainty of having your edge lower without much knowledge at all is the one big attraction of this game, IMO.
Laughing at those who are happy with a small enough edge against them because you have a 1%-5% edge on your side with a bunch of work on your part is somewhat laughable to me.
As much effort as I put into determining if an edge is possible or not, I generally gamble to have fun.
And I know very few people who have as much fun as I do playing the game of craps, or any other game.
I don't know if I will ever make enough money from any edge I can come up with to replace my job with the game of craps.
But I am certain if when that time comes, if I will not laugh at people who are happy gambling with no special or detailed knowledge and just taking their 0.4% edge or lower and having fun gambling.
Quote: AhighAs much as I would like to have an advantage, I think for most people an edge per roll at 0.4% or lower does not suck.
Most people who gamble, even those who believe otherwise, operate with much higher edges stacked against them.
The certainty of having your edge lower without much knowledge at all is the one big attraction of this game, IMO.
Laughing at those who are happy with a small enough edge against them because you have a 1%-5% edge on your side with a bunch of work on your part is somewhat laughable to me.
As much effort as I put into determining if an edge is possible or not, I generally gamble to have fun.
And I know very few people who have as much fun as I do playing the game of craps, or any other game.
I don't know if I will ever make enough money from any edge I can come up with to replace my job with the game of craps.
But I am certain if when that time comes, if I will not laugh at people who are happy gambling with no special or detailed knowledge and just taking their 0.4% edge or lower and having fun gambling.
K. You win. (Mustangsally come back. You can even block threads now!)
There's no point of playing a 0.4% game if the variance is zero. You're going to lose, all of time.
And if you're playing a penny slot at $.20 cents a pull with a 7% HE, your loss per pull is going to be $.014, which is the same as a buck on the pass line. That's really why I don't care about the house edge. I care about what my expected loss is going to be per hour based on the amound of money I'm betting, and the variance. That's why a lot of people prefer PGP over BJ, because the action is slower and the expected loss is about the same.
The real problem with craps is dumb betting. I would guess to say that 9 of 10 craps players play dumb. In order from worst dumb moves to smartest dumb moves, I would go with:
(1) Betting the centre, any center bet.
(2) Placing the 4 and 10 rather than buying it, especially with a vig only on the win.
(3) Playing the field (that doesn't pay triple).
(4) Placing the 5 and 9.
(5) Hedging
(6) Overtipping the dealers.
(7) Bad betting systems that have very little chance of paying off (ie, pressing your bets without taking any profit, Martingales, doey-don'ts, etc).
(8) Not playing with enough money to overcome bad streaks.
And even if you start off with a great deal of discipline, it's only a matter of time before the bad habits start the kick in.
Quote: boymimboThe real problem with craps is dumb betting. I would guess to say that 9 of 10 craps players play dumb. In order from worst dumb moves to smartest dumb moves, I would go with:
(1) Betting the centre, any center bet.
(2) Placing the 4 and 10 rather than buying it, especially with a vig only on the win.
(3) Playing the field (that doesn't pay triple).
(4) Placing the 5 and 9.
(5) Hedging
(6) Overtipping the dealers.
(7) Bad betting systems that have very little chance of paying off (ie, pressing your bets without taking any profit, Martingales, doey-don'ts, etc).
(8) Not playing with enough money to overcome bad streaks.
And even if you start off with a great deal of discipline, it's only a matter of time before the bad habits start the kick in.
Let's see how Raleigh fares with your list;
(1) CHECK - just an occasional hardwa
(2) CHECK- don't even like to Buy on Vig up front.
(3) 1/2 CHECK - Play it more than hardways, but not as often as a 3x field.
(4) GUILTY - Usual casinos have Buy 5/9 at 2%. Feel naked without my 5/9 action in play.
(5) CHECK
(6) GUILTY - but it buys me better ratings which come back to me in comps.
(7) CHECK - Any system not betting on the number being rolled is a bad system. A person not pressing a SIX, when it has just hit 6 times, has given away as much money as the person who always presses aggressively. They just gave it away differently.
(8) GUILTY - playing within my bankroll is too low stakes, and boring. My overall is about where the math would say it should be for the amount of action I have played over the years, but my peaks and valleys are probably a factor of 3x. Exciting.
Are there bad ways to play craps? Of course. But ultimately, the bad bets are the ones that don't get paid, and the good bets are the ones that get paid.
Try and tell that horn high player that his bets stink, as he is walking away with $500 profit, after all those craps rolls, while you have been playing the best bets, and are down. I am sure he loses more than he wins, but some of those paydays sure look sweet.
And yeah, there's a terrific, yet inprobably thrill of playing horn high aces for a nickel, letting it ride when the aces hit once for $57, then having it hit again for cool $540 (after taking $12 for your self). Yeah the odds are 1,096:1 but once it a while it happens. The same is true for parlaying the hardways, or anything else in the centre. At that point in time, your endorphins have taken you over and you're generally screwed.
Quote: boymimbo
The real problem with craps is dumb betting. I would guess to say that 9 of 10 craps players play dumb. In order from worst dumb moves to smartest dumb moves, I would go with:
(1) Betting the centre, any center bet.
(2) Placing the 4 and 10 rather than buying it, especially with a vig only on the win.
(3) Playing the field (that doesn't pay triple).
(4) Placing the 5 and 9.
(5) Hedging
(6) Overtipping the dealers.
(7) Bad betting systems that have very little chance of paying off (ie, pressing your bets without taking any profit, Martingales, doey-don'ts, etc).
(8) Not playing with enough money to overcome bad streaks.
And even if you start off with a great deal of discipline, it's only a matter of time before the bad habits start the kick in.
1. Nope
2. Nope
3. Yes. I am an Iron Cross bettor, so yeah, I'm going to play the field.
4. Nope.
5. Guilty. I hop 7s on the come-out if I have come bets already established. I admittedly do this to lessen the psychological beating I take if I roll a 7 and lose my flat bets.
6. Depends on how you define overtipping. I will give them $5 when a 2 or 12 rolls when playing NC craps. I'm getting paid, so why not spread it around a little?
7. Nope.
8. Nope.
So, 2 of 8, or 25% chance of being a dumb bettor? I'll take it.
(1) Betting the centre, any center bet........... AT MOST $5 PER SESSION
(2) Placing the 4 and 10 rather than buying it.......... NOPE
(3) Playing the field (that doesn't pay triple)............NOPE
(4) Placing the 5 and 9............. NOPE
(5) Hedging......... NOPE
(6) Overtipping the dealers..........SOMETIMES
(7) Bad betting systems that have very little chance of paying off (ie, pressing your bets without taking any profit, Martingales, doey-don'ts, etc)............ REFORMED ON DOEY-DON'T, NEVER GUILTY ON THE REST
(8) Not playing with enough money to overcome bad streaks............ EARLY CONVERT ON THIS
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RaleighCraps
Try and tell that horn high player that his bets stink, as he is walking away with $500 profit, after all those craps rolls, while you have been playing the best bets, and are down. I am sure he loses more than he wins, but some of those paydays sure look sweet.
Stupid betting is betting on points that are not being rolled, there have been many time where someone has said look at that fool he doesn't know a thing about the game with the way he or she is betting, because they were betting on points that were being rolled.
They could be the worst bets on the table, but if they are hitting and you are betting them you are now the smartest player on the table!
Thinking that the math of the game tells you how to be a winner playing a negative game is just plan foolish. You should already know that you are playing a game that the house has the advantage on you, and if you go by the math of the game you are going to lose!
I will always say, I've seen more players losing their money betting on the 6 and 8 then any other bet on the table, because nobody was rolling those two numbers, when they were playing! The math of the game failed them, they read in a book that those two points were the best bets on a craps table and when they were playing all the shooters on the table was rolling 4's and 10's like there were no tomorrow! Of course they were not betting them and they walked away a loser!
Very plain and simple you need the numbers you are betting on to hit if you are going to win and they could be the worst bets on the table that are going to make you a winner!
No, you will not see me throwing out chips on the worst bets on the table, but you will see me riding out a trend that is in my favor. If someone is rolling 10 after 10 and that is just about all they are rolling, you would be a fool not to bet on the 10, when they have the dice
There are days when the tables are like ice, and you still have the right players betting on the right side of the table. They refuse to change the way they are betting, and end up losing!
So did they do the right thing, thinking that the table had to change and there was going to be a hot roll so they could win all their money back?
How about the guy that saw the trend on the table and was betting on the 10's because that is what everybody was rolling?
How about the guy that was betting the horn bet because the shooter was only rolling horn numbers?
Were they all bad bets, when they were betting them, you tell me!!!
My points will tell you the story that I'm barely betting enough to be on the casino's radar. I won over $300 in a weeks time at the Silverton while only earning 1000 points ($5 average bet for four hours total).
I will tell you when I bet those "bad" bets: rarely. I bet a $1 aces after rolling aces three times back to back promising Wayne at the time he was watching at the Silverton, "I will parlay it if I hit it."
He said "I doubt that." I didn't hit it.
That was the second time I rolled aces three times back to back in less than two weeks at that very table. I think Teddy was there for the second time.
I know I'm throwing a dollar away in the vast majority of the cases. But if I rolled aces back-to-back FIVE times in a row and had $961 to show for it, the opportunity for that story is what I'm throwing away a dollar for.
Many dealers have never even seen me bet even a crap check much less a three-way-crap or a horn bet.
I probably bet a bet with a edge per roll of 9% or higher about twice a month on average. It takes an unusual occurrence (like above) to motivate me to spend a dollar on an opportunity for a story, but I wouldn't really call it a bet.
I don't count dealer bets; yet I typically just HAND IN DEALER TOKs without betting. I prefer to make dealer bets on odds on the 4 or 10 when I don't want to take odds and/or in response to them goading me to take odds.
Today, at lunch, the same dealer that I do not like very much at the Silverton, her name is Bridgette, said as she took a two-way hop bet for another George/prop-bet-player on the five while I was rolling (referring to me) "two way hop on the five; at least some people have class." I hesitated, then I said "pass the dice."
The players said "he doesn't think he can roll a five?"
I said, "No, the stick chick offended me with her comment, and I'm leaving." I put all my chips in the come, allowing them to fall over, and proceeded to tell her that I did not appreciate her implying that I had no class.
I said, and I quote, "just in case I wasn't clear, I am offended that you implied that I don't have class. And don't pretend like you didn't hear me, because Patrick is the only one who's deaf here. Patrick (the old grey haired guy that I like a lot) smiled when I said that and found humor in my dig."
I hesitated, and then I said, "if I thought you were joking with me, I wouldn't have minded, but we both know you weren't joking."
This is one of the worst, if not THE worst dealer at the Silverton. Her name is Bridgette. She is a homosexual blond girl who pretty much has some sort of problem with all men, and takes it out on everyone. Normally she just doesn't talk to me (this is the same dealer that BATTED at another white male shooter's roll, which I also posted up on this forum about.)
I told Benjamin that I didn't appreciate her comment, and he said he would mention it to her on break. She has no business in entertainment, except possibly at some location that doesn't have any heterosexual white males as customers, because that is the profile of customer that she has problems with.
I've gone months without her saying anything negative to me, and I generally don't interact with her at all except to request bets and say "thank you" when she does something I ask her to do that a dealer might normally roll their eyes about (taking bets down, etc).
I am honestly hoping that she gets fired for inappropriately and rudely soliciting tips.
Quote: boymimboThe real problem with craps is dumb betting. I would guess to say that 9 of 10 craps players play dumb. In order from worst dumb moves to smartest dumb moves, I would go with:
(1) Betting the centre, any center bet.
(2) Placing the 4 and 10 rather than buying it, especially with a vig only on the win.
(3) Playing the field (that doesn't pay triple).
(4) Placing the 5 and 9.
(5) Hedging
(6) Overtipping the dealers.
(7) Bad betting systems that have very little chance of paying off (ie, pressing your bets without taking any profit, Martingales, doey-don'ts, etc).
(8) Not playing with enough money to overcome bad streaks.
And even if you start off with a great deal of discipline, it's only a matter of time before the bad habits start the kick in.
1) yes
2) yes.
pro-tip: Buy the 4/10 at $25 (if vig on the win). Still $1 vig thus 4% commission instead of 5%. House Edge is now 1.33%!
3) eww.. why play the field even with Triple 12 (house edge = 2.8%)?
4) yes. even buying the 5/9 (2% house edge)
5) yes
6) play e-craps. no tipping. but that also negates the pro-tip in #2 since the computer calculates to the penny.
7) yes
8) yes, altho i might be doing this. 5x what i put on the table might be too little. might need to goto 8x or even 10x
I will agree that Bridgette is an idiot.
We went to roll the dice a few minutes on Christmas Day, before watching the Stingray Feeding...and she ID'd both Kris and I...I was like "Uhh, you don't remember us from YESTERDAY??" and she said "Nope, sure don't"
At that point, I had JUST bought in, I immediately proceeded to just pickup my chips and leave, without playing, since it's apparent she's ignorant. Besides...there was NO ONE playing dice there at Silverton on Christmas day...
Quote: TIMSPEEDAaron,
I will agree that Bridgette is an idiot.
We went to roll the dice a few minutes on Christmas Day, before watching the Stingray Feeding...and she ID'd both Kris and I...I was like "Uhh, you don't remember us from YESTERDAY??" and she said "Nope, sure don't"
At that point, I had JUST bought in, I immediately proceeded to just pickup my chips and leave, without playing, since it's apparent she's ignorant. Besides...there was NO ONE playing dice there at Silverton on Christmas day...
I'm okay with dealers who are idiots.
Bridgette just doesn't really care enough about her job that she thinks she can treat customers like shit and get away with it.
I challenge anyone from this forum to complain about Bridgette to the casino staff in hopes that she can get more serious about her job, or search for a new one.
She is smart enough, she just thinks that she can treat people any way she feels like without any consequences.
Just do your job and shut the hell up about your comments about players and what you think about them. Expressing your disgust with players in various ways is inappropriate.
In fairness, she could have been talking about the entire table not tipping, and I don't care. It's no different. I will admit I generally don't tip when she is around because I do not like her and I only wish her to leave when she is present. And not because how she treats me, but because how she treats everyone. She is unpleasant, all-around.
Quote: Ahigh
Today, at lunch, the same dealer that I do not like very much at the Silverton, her name is Bridgette, said as she took a two-way hop bet for another George/prop-bet-player on the five while I was rolling (referring to me) "two way hop on the five; at least some people have class." I hesitated, then I said "pass the dice."
The players said "he doesn't think he can roll a five?"
I said, "No, the stick chick offended me with her comment, and I'm leaving." I put all my chips in the come, allowing them to fall over, and proceeded to tell her that I did not appreciate her implying that I had no class.
I said, and I quote, "just in case I wasn't clear, I am offended that you implied that I don't have class. And don't pretend like you didn't hear me, because Patrick is the only one who's deaf here. Patrick (the old grey haired guy that I like a lot) smiled when I said that and found humor in my dig."
I hesitated, and then I said, "if I thought you were joking with me, I wouldn't have minded, but we both know you weren't joking."
This is relevant. I've never dealt with a dealer like this, but if I did, I would ask to speak to the pit boss.
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This is one of the worst, if not THE worst dealer at the Silverton. Her name is Bridgette. She is a homosexual blond girl who pretty much has some sort of problem with all men, and takes it out on everyone. Normally she just doesn't talk to me (this is the same dealer that BATTED at another white male shooter's roll, which I also posted up on this forum about.)
I told Benjamin that I didn't appreciate her comment, and he said he would mention it to her on break. She has no business in entertainment, except possibly at some location that doesn't have any heterosexual white males as customers, because that is the profile of customer that she has problems with.
I've gone months without her saying anything negative to me, and I generally don't interact with her at all except to request bets and say "thank you" when she does something I ask her to do that a dealer might normally roll their eyes about (taking bets down, etc).
I am honestly hoping that she gets fired for inappropriately and rudely soliciting tips.
This is irrelevant. Her ethnicity and/or her sexual preference have nothing to do with the discussion or her skills as a dealer, and really shouldn't be a part of this conversation.
Quote: SACRThis is irrelevant. Her ethnicity and/or her sexual preference have nothing to do with the discussion or her skills as a dealer, and really shouldn't be a part of this conversation.
It WOULD be irrelevant if she hadn't made comments to me like that's why I don't date men any more in response to behavior she observed at the table, and making it really clear how much she loathes men. I haven't gotten down to, nor do I care about, her personal past sex life, but she wants to share it with everyone by projecting her emotional problems onto white men at the table.
THAT is why it is NOT irrelevant. But trust me, I wish I didn't know those details and prefer not to have that trash in my head about her personal problems.
She is an outwardly gay homosexual who uses her (assumedly past) sex life as a rationalization for torturing white men at the table.
I play at that table a lot, and I watch her do it, and she ONLY does it to white men. Her choice not mine.
I have only observed her poor behavior directed at a white male. I would say about ten different white males in total, and no other type. That's why it's relevant.
The first time I see her do it to any other race or sex, I will gladly admit that I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure this is a pretty deep rooted personal problem and nothing that I am doing wrong. And honestly, I am very sorry for whatever was done to her. I just don't deserve to be tortured for it.
Just remember, not everybody wants to talk about your issues and/or sex-life, whether you are straight or gay.
There's another guy that I used to play with that I don't really play with much anymore because of his comments related to having straight sex with girls.
It's still inappropriate. And I have just as much a problem with saying inappropriate things in public as some homosexual girl who hates guys who does the same. Projecting personal sexual problems in an inappropriate way.
If you're gay, straight, or hermaphrodite does not bother me as long as I don't have to deal with your personal problems as a result of you projecting your issues all over the place in an offensive way.
The craps table is often a place where people do talk about what are often inappropriate things in other settings (but considered fair game at the table), so it's no big surprise that these things happen. It's just when the line is crossed, you need to be a little sensitive. It's the socially unaware and insensitive folks who sometimes get led into conversations where they think they can say anything without repercussions.
I've offended people in the past (talking about making money, someone got offended recently saying "that's not a good way to make money.")
I apologized profusely, and they later apologized to me.
But when you are unapologetic and projecting your personal problems constantly AT YOUR JOB .. it sort of crosses a line I think. And just my opinion, when you're employed and I'm the customer, it might be a good idea to remind yourself that you are work and have a job to do. And your job, technically, is to entertain me, not to piss me off.
Quote: Ahigh
She is an outwardly gay homosexual who uses her (assumedly past) sex life as a rationalization for torturing white men at the table.
I play at that table a lot, and I watch her do it, and she ONLY does it to white men. Her choice not mine.
I have only observed her poor behavior directed at a white male. I would say about ten different white males in total, and no other type. That's why it's relevant.
The first time I see her do it to any other race or sex, I will gladly admit that I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure this is a pretty deep rooted personal problem and nothing that I am doing wrong. And honestly, I am very sorry for whatever was done to her. I just don't deserve to be tortured for it.
"gay homosexual" is redundant
While I am certain she may be rude and even condescending, I doubt what she is doing can be considered 'torture'. She isn't administering electroshock treatment, she isn't shoving flaming bamboo under your fingernails, she isn't forcing you to shoot your family members, she is simply being a rude dealer at a craps pit.
Characterizing her behavior as 'torture' is hyperbole and makes you look overly dramatic.
Quote: SACR"gay homosexual" is redundant
While I am certain she may be rude and even condescending, I doubt what she is doing can be considered 'torture'. She isn't administering electroshock treatment, she isn't shoving flaming bamboo under your fingernails, she isn't forcing you to shoot your family members, she is simply being a rude dealer at a craps pit.
Characterizing her behavior as 'torture' is hyperbole and makes you look overly dramatic.
In referring to her, it's redundant. If she wasn't such a killjoy, it might not be. But you are absolutely right. I actually wish it wasn't redundant as she could stand to be a little happier.
Overly dramatic is repetitively redundant. Nobody likes to hear the same thing repeated over and over and over and over.
Plus when you hear the same thing over and over, oh never mind.
You should go play there on her shift and give me your perspective.
Quote: SACRShe isn't administering electroshock treatment
Medically referred to as Electro Convulsive Therapy, ECTs are not to be equated with torture. Prior to the psychiatrist administering the treatment, all patients are put under general anesthesia, and temporarily fully paralyzed, so the seizure activity only occurs in the brain, and you don't see and seizure activity in the body. The brain seizure lasts about a minute. The majority of ECT patients report significant improvement in their major depression symptoms. Just extrapolating from how many are done in Buffalo, I'd say there are in the low thousands of ECTs done every day in the USA.
