100xOdds
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October 6th, 2012 at 6:24:46 AM permalink
3/4/5x odds

High variance gives you the best chances of walking out a winner. (also gives you the best chances of walking out broke the quickest.)

i think The DarkSide is best suited for high variance. High $ bets on 1 # (ie: 50 flat/300 odds).
I see continuous Dont Come as being disasterous.

But for the RightSide ($5 passline), the continuous Come is the best strategy according to the Wizard. if a 7 rolls, you win a Come bet. that $5 is a small % you saved.

How do I factor in the loss of saving that $5 Come bet when using High Variance (single large bet) for the rightSide?
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7craps
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October 6th, 2012 at 8:04:33 AM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

3/4/5x odds

High variance gives you the best chances of walking out a winner. (also gives you the best chances of walking out broke the quickest.)

in any one session
The highest variance comes from the most $$$ on the least number of bets.
50 flat/300 odds is better (higher variance) than
5 - 10 flat/60 odds
Quote: 100xOdds

i think The DarkSide is best suited for high variance. High $ bets on 1 # (ie: 50 flat/300 odds).
I see continuous Dont Come as being disasterous.

Both side standard deviation for many number of bets are almost equal.

Quote: 100xOdds

But for the RightSide ($5 passline), the continuous Come is the best strategy according to the Wizard. if a 7 rolls, you win a Come bet. that $5 is a small % you saved.


http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/craps/betting-systems/

"For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge,
the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, donít pass, come, and donít come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds."


I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play.
Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two?
ó Richard from Binghampton, USA

"As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds it doesn't make any difference how many come bets you make. However it does help to keep the odds on your come bets turned on in the come out roll."


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How do I factor in the loss of saving that $5 Come bet when using High Variance (single large bet) for the rightSide?

?
The highest variance would be one large bet only, the pass line and no come bets. Adding come bets lowers variance for the same $$$ resolved.
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
Juyemura
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October 6th, 2012 at 8:40:54 AM permalink
Out of curiosity, what would your bankroll be for a session at the casino for each of those two options?

1. Don't pass wih $50 flat and $300 odds

2. $10 Pass with $40 odds (average) with a continuous $10 Come with $40 odds (average)

I would guess that the Don't in this situation would require a much larger bankroll for the same session length. While high variance may give you the best chance of winning, it may also hammer your bankroll.
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100xOdds
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October 6th, 2012 at 11:11:38 AM permalink
Quote: Juyemura

Out of curiosity, what would your bankroll be for a session at the casino for each of those two options?

1. Don't pass wih $50 flat and $300 odds

2. $10 Pass with $40 odds (average) with a continuous $10 Come with $40 odds (average)

I would guess that the Don't in this situation would require a much larger bankroll for the same session length. While high variance may give you the best chance of winning, it may also hammer your bankroll.



for both, it's 5x the $ i put on the table

1) 1750
2) 1500 but that assumes i have all 6 #s (4,5,6,8,9,10). most of the time i wont have 6 #s even on a semi-hot roll.
i'll probably bring $1000-1250 (4 or 5 #s)
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dwm
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October 6th, 2012 at 8:46:20 PM permalink
Try this come betting sequence:

Start with pass-odds and two come-odds bets. Wait for a hit on any of these bets. If get a hit, then continuous come-odds bets with the pass-odds. After 3 hits, then start pressing the odds on future hits. Have been playing with $5 base bets and $15 odds then pressing to $30 odds and using a $1200 session bankroll. Expect $500 swings and it does well on half way decent tables.
dwm
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October 15th, 2012 at 9:17:21 AM permalink
This has been working well for me lately, and very simple:

Pass-odds and two come-odds bet to start the new shooter. WAIT for a hit on a COME-ODDS bet before proceeding furthur beyond the two come-odds bets. After getting a hit on a come-odds bet, then proceed with continuous come-odds betting until the end of the hand along with the pass-odds. Playing $5 base and $25 odds, $30 odds on the five and nine, with $1000 day session bankroll, with level odds betting meaning no pressing or regressing the odds bets.

Results thusfar: Ten session wins and one loss in 11 day sessions with $300 net win per session.
WongBo
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October 15th, 2012 at 9:33:00 AM permalink
Quote: dwm


Results thusfar: Ten session wins and one loss in 11 day sessions with $300 net win per session.


*results not typical, your experience may vary
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teddys
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October 15th, 2012 at 3:42:31 PM permalink
I just can't play 3/4/5 odds anymore. It's so not cool to get paid the same amount on a 4 hit as on a 6!
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
AcesAndEights
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October 15th, 2012 at 3:44:26 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

I just can't play 3/4/5 odds anymore. It's so not cool to get paid the same amount on a 4 hit as on a 6!


Same payoff, less money at risk :)
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ChumpChange
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October 18th, 2018 at 2:38:22 AM permalink
Quote: dwm

This has been working well for me lately, and very simple:

Pass-odds and two come-odds bet to start the new shooter. WAIT for a hit on a COME-ODDS bet before proceeding further beyond the two come-odds bets. After getting a hit on a come-odds bet, then proceed with continuous come-odds betting until the end of the hand along with the pass-odds. Playing $5 base and $25 odds, $30 odds on the five and nine, with $1000 day session bankroll, with level odds betting meaning no pressing or regressing the odds bets.

Results thusfar: Ten session wins and one loss in 11 day sessions with $300 net win per session.



I'll have to try this when I have $1000 a day to try to win $300. I would usually try to buy-in for $300 and double or nothing on a session of 10 single PL bets. But the player says he almost can't lose. Maybe I should double the stakes and start with a $2000 a day session bankroll to win $600, or triple at the $15 table, or quintuple at the $25 table.

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